Remember when a bunch of people kept saying we need a coach like Shaw who was run out of the stadium against Wash and Wash St. then put up a wallop of a game in a loss to CU today 10-5. Also Houston got gouged by Navy and beat up and down field by SMU tonight. These two teams, whose coaches, everyone has had a chub for both looked like average coaches. Which sometimes just happens and you have some bad games maybe a bad season or so. ND is having a bad season and to those who are crying that our standards are mediocre now are ridiculous. ND will be fine going forward. This season is busted but next season has a lot of promise. If next year mirrors this year then Kelly will likely be shown the door or he'll jet himself. Im sure things get turned around for next year
Shaw/Herman lovers
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I agree with what you say. I just do not have confidence in a man who tried to throw medium and long passes in a high wind monsoon. maybe he finds redemption. I have my doubts. Right now he has not changed the direction of the 2016 team based on the prior games. I have not vote if he is kept or not. I want the team to win . I could care less about kelly
Look at the career winning percentages...among other things....please disregard pee wee porky football....
He has had seven years. That's two too many. ND should give a coach five years to win a natty. The fact that BK is still coaching at ND says to me ND is happy with average. So stop the " we play for national championships " .As a fan I have not left them they left me. I hate being lied to. ND has been dishonest for twenty years. Sounds familiar " have a public and a private position".
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Herman's offense literally doesn't run anything between the tackles. It's a flag football offense. With only two years of head coaching experience, he's going to be a big roll of the dice for some team.
The second photo with the red BK face and horns with that tongue had me rolling laughing!! hilarious stuff
Another apologist.
Wtfe.
Hilarious you'd say that. Shaw sucks...lol...well if that's true then I'm not sure the adjective for Kelly ..who by the way got beat by Mr Shaw...AGAIN. ❕
Shaw ...yep..while not clicking offensively this year held a team to 10.
Yes.. TEN...
Moreover Houston is having a navy hangover which happens to a lot of teams
I wish I could take credit for it. A very talented poster on this board did the honors. It's excellent. I'd really like to get one with kelly in a Barney Rubble outfit...and maybe another of him as Tinky Winky...
I agree, fans tend to suffer from the back up Qb syndrome you've never seen him so he's better than what you have. Look college football is college football you have good years and bad. I'm not in love with Kelly but I think he's better than any "name coach" we can get. Name coach is in quotes for a reason. Oh btw and the mighty urban lost to Penn State.
Urban 5 losses 5 years 8 weeks.... kelly 5 losses 7 weeks....wait 'til he gets his guys....
Make no mistake Urban is a better college football coach then Kelly. But I do think BK is in the upper echelons of college football coaches.That being said we are not a football powerhouse anymore the college football climate has changed an I do believe it's not all about the coaches that is only part of it.
Wait for it....ready........
BK used to be better. Like when he went no huddle and snapped up tempo. He used to be much better at exploiting things ...
Now we go no huddle to snap it with four seconds left totally allowing the D to make adjustments
This is one tiny example of a laundry just of things that IMO keeps him from being anywhere close to upper echelon
Rather a silly veiled criticism.
Politicians have long have had different private vs. public opinions such as on abortion and other issues. There is a difference between personal belief and a policy aimed at bettering society.
Fair statements sometimes the offense does look disjointed and this season has made things looks even worse bc we are losing. But answer this does any coach just get his team to a national championship game? Bc I don't believe that.
There is so much wrong on this post where do I begin?
You do know coach Kelly has lost to Navy as well?
You do know ND lost to Stanford?
You do know Stanford is replacing all their Skill players, but one, Not to mention Stanford is, and, has been putting a defense on the field
I was never sold on the Houston coach
Anything is possible for next season, but there's little to show anyone it can be turned around on defense, the RZ offense hasn't improved, the turnovers are still hurting as well
Not to get into politics, but as long as we make excuses for "our" politicians, we get what we deserve. As for Shaw and Herman, point being three weeks ago many on this board wanted them for the next ND coach and now, well not so much. We are fans and have the right to be arm chair QBs with 20/20 vision. That's why we get paid as much as we do for our football expertise. I'm officially firing everyone that wanted Shaw or Herman as the next ND coach from the "Future Coach Selection Committee"!
Huh? It appears that 78's comment went right over your head.
You mean...does just any coach get their team to a championship game?
No....but....
Was that title game fluke? it sure seems that way. we are having more mediocre play than great okay in seven season.....
And I echo again. where is our defy the odds win? our big bowl game win?
We've ZERO under Kelly.
Ty ****ing willingham beat FSU on the road for god sakes.
Kelly in the end is NOT a very good coach.
Here's where Kelly differs from Shaw and Herman. Shaw is seeing the effects of poor recruiting from 3-4 years ago. I think one year he only had 17 recruits. And I don't think Stanford allows JC players. It's tough to recruit at Stanford, which makes it amazing they've won as much as they have in recent years. Shaw should be put on notice, but not fired. He's won enough major regular season and bowl games to come back for another year. That goes for Herman too and he's only in his second year at a school with much lower standards than ND. Kelly is in 7th with solid consecutive recruiting classes. His 2-5 start is unforgivable under these circumstances. Plus Kelly has no major regular season or major bowl victories in his 7 years and isn't getting one this year, even if he runs the table from here on out. It's time for him to go.
You actually never pointed anything wrong with what I mentioned. Just a heads up prove a point when you start like that.
Also I see others on here thinking I said that those other coaches suck. Umm comprehension must be poor because I just said that not but 2-3 weeks ago everyone was drooling for a Shaw or Herman type guy. Im not 100% in Kelly corner but I think I like to take a reasonable approach to how this season and few seasons have gone. My standards for ND football have not lowered, but these aren't the days when absolute studs would be lining up to play at ND. Admissions is something to seriously consider, yes, stanford shows you can do something about it but I dont see them winning NC's as everyone keeps posting is the exception of good coaches.
ANNND if next year he blows and hes fired or whatever then ok we lost one year ONE. We wouldnt have won a championship immediately hiring a new coach, we still have a strong recruiting class going, I think people forget that coaches have been available, like Urban, and they turn it down. So Im ok with Kelly having another year
luv those posts that draw conclusions off ONE game but ignore 7+ years of results!
very analytical minds!
threads like this, remind me of the Met Life commercial:
"everything can't be a nickel!"
but, 'everything can't be about ND'
"everything can't be a nickel!"
but, 'everything can't be about ND'
I'm not the one bitching and moaning and claiming that the program lied to me.
but you are being melodramatic with that statement!
dag, like many fans, feels that the public image and implied goals, put forth by ND, is to be a prominent player in 'championship' football, while it's actual actions prove otherwise. There is a growing perception that a 'lie' is being perpetrated on ND fans. Capisce?
dags was not being narcissitic, as you try to proport him as.
dag, like many fans, feels that the public image and implied goals, put forth by ND, is to be a prominent player in 'championship' football, while it's actual actions prove otherwise. There is a growing perception that a 'lie' is being perpetrated on ND fans. Capisce?
dags was not being narcissitic, as you try to proport him as.
Stanford,s offense scored 8 points versus ND; 5 versus Colorado and we're wiped off the map versus the State of Washington. As I have said a million times before. That complicated run and 8th grade passing attack of Stanford will never sniff the College Football playoffs
Tom Herman lost to Navy and SMU???That's right SMU. And the patron Saint of the board Urban Meyer lost to Penn State.
So you guys are now left with Saban and Harbaugh..Brian Kelly is 57-28 over 7 years and ND was 6-1 a calendar year ago. So let's not pretend there has been zero success, because when you say that you sound like fools, morons and misfit toys.
Jack Swarbrick watches the program daily and sees the program from an INFORMED point of view. And if he thinks BK is the right guy moving forward... I think thats great. Switching coaches hasn't done crap in 22 years so why would it do anything now?
Looking forward to seeing ND rise out of the ashes with Brian Kelly leading them out of the tunnel in 2018. And the "sewing circle" retreat back under the rocks they ooze out from when ND loses football games.
Tom Herman lost to Navy and SMU???That's right SMU. And the patron Saint of the board Urban Meyer lost to Penn State.
So you guys are now left with Saban and Harbaugh..Brian Kelly is 57-28 over 7 years and ND was 6-1 a calendar year ago. So let's not pretend there has been zero success, because when you say that you sound like fools, morons and misfit toys.
Jack Swarbrick watches the program daily and sees the program from an INFORMED point of view. And if he thinks BK is the right guy moving forward... I think thats great. Switching coaches hasn't done crap in 22 years so why would it do anything now?
Looking forward to seeing ND rise out of the ashes with Brian Kelly leading them out of the tunnel in 2018. And the "sewing circle" retreat back under the rocks they ooze out from when ND loses football games.
So beating 9.5 favorite Oklahoma in Norman in 2012 doesn't count, I guess.
OK...this is a technical win.....Brian Kelly's signature win was against Oklahoma...followed by a loss the next season to Oklahoma...The good news is we aren't counting Brian Kelly's signature losses....due to time constraints.
It was a great win however we were ahead 3 slots in the polls. #5 vs # 8 they finished at #15....
Shaw's had 4 Top 10 finishes in the past 5 years
Including a #3 last year.
Porky stinks
The OP stated:
"where is our defy the odds win? our big bowl game win? We've ZERO under Kelly. Ty ****ing willingham beat FSU on the road for god sakes."
Please explain how my reply to him was inaccurate. If folks are going to make claims, they should at least have their facts straight if they want to have any credibility.
I called it a technical win because Okie was favored in that game....I'm trying to improve my negative disposition.
I realize it's very difficult to be optimistic about the program right now---very difficult.
Whereas I have always this why fans are not worth listening to in the final analysis.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
The optimism would go through the roof if Brian Kelly was fired. I like him and think he did a great job after Charlie Weis. But he has lost his mojo and his football team He looks totally defeated on the sidelines. I am sure the players recognize that.. If there is anything good for Coach Kelly and his legacy it would be he left the program in a better condition than when he took it. Hopefully Jack S has some candidates to interview.
