Riley better not be starting next week.
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Bs. Put Carr in.
How do you know? A true freshman vs a successful senior. I also said that before the pick, not that it changes much.
Stop with the rent-a-qb now your seasons over, play Carr and build towards 25. They won’t.
If the coach has any balls he never plays another snap. Move on to Carr
Yup. That type of game losing play is something you live with from a rookie nfl qb on a rebuilding team. Not a 3rd year starter on a national title contender
ND would have won the game with Angelli, Carr imo. Riley has been a BAD passer and has not been nearly good enough in first 2 games. Very inaccurate. Develop a qb has been the number 1 problem for the program for a long time.
I'd rather go with Angeli. He played really well in the Sun Bowl, and has very good accuracy.
People paid over a million in NIL for a qb that can't throw.
Leonard is the worst ND QB in the last 50 years. He has shown no ability t to throw deep
I didn't care for .the smile he flashed at Marcus as he came off the field after an interception.
That was a well deserved loss!
I didn't care for .the smile he flashed at Marcus as he came off the field after an interception.
That was a well deserved loss!
Yes, seems from an outsider's perspective, at least, the more REASONED CHOICE. So, I agree.
I understand the sentiment of wanting to throw Carr in there, but to me that's just more ND-FAN MESSIANIC THINKING. As if Carr were Jesus or the Buddha just wasting away on the bench when he could be out there performing MIRACLES.
WHO KNOWS IF CARR IS EVEN READY? And what about a LEARNING CURVE?
Angeli already knows the offense and has shown himself to be a pretty SMOOTH OPERATOR. He's also older, poised, and possibly ND's most UNDERRATED QB since Kevin McDougal.
I'd go with him in a HEARTBEAT.
I have no idea who should be the starting QB. I still am no Xs and Os expert. But I do know talent...and Leonard lacks it, having many liabilities, especially throwing deep passes, like many of you noted.
I am depressed thinking ND might not have a good QB situation. I have very little faith MF and Denbrock can figure it out. Denbrock clearly called a poor game plan.
By now, it seems MF doesn't coach. Correct me if I am wrong, but he delegates rather than coaches. Prefers being a motivator rather than game planning and play calling. Don't know, just seems that way.
I do know he's blown it with regards to QB. He's never gotten that right.
I am depressed thinking ND might not have a good QB situation. I have very little faith MF and Denbrock can figure it out. Denbrock clearly called a poor game plan.
By now, it seems MF doesn't coach. Correct me if I am wrong, but he delegates rather than coaches. Prefers being a motivator rather than game planning and play calling. Don't know, just seems that way.
I do know he's blown it with regards to QB. He's never gotten that right.
Head Coaches hire coordinators to call plays and navigate an offense and defense.
How in the hell do you know that he does not coach.
I used terms like seems. Cueing a discussion to find out, if possible, the reality. Makes sense, right?
I also recall BK making play calls. MF seems he doesn't. Leaving it all to others, not that this is uncommon...but some coaches do intervene from time to time. Like Saban.
Exactly, he's another Dabo Swinnery! That's what I always thought of him as. And if he was ever going to be a great coach it would be in that vein.....
I always give a lot of runway unless it is egregious.
But I've seen enough.
I don't think ND comes close to a NC under Freeman...hoping I'm proven wrong.
My fear has always been that, at worst, he'd be basically a FIGUREHEAD.
I think he's an average to above average coordinator but not a natural as a head coach. Always felt he'd need BRAINIAC assistants.
To me, Freeman's chances are NO BETTER than 50/50. If the team underperforms this season, his odds will naturally drop.
Actually the problem is the HC is having too much input in the Offense . Wish he'd get out of the way and delegate the Offense completely. Denbrock s Offense at LSU averaged 40+ points the past 2 years. ND scored 14 points at home today against a MAC school . Same number of points ND scored at home against a 3-9 Stanford team in a 16-14 loss. Common denominator is Marcus Freeman. Marcus Freeman has handcuffed his Offense in a very conservative offensive take no risks rely on your defense philosophy . Maybe the problems with Offensive coordinator play calling was not Rees, or Parker but the HC. Freeman was a linebacker in college and a D coordinator. And a disciple of Jim Tressel. Freeman s philosophy and approach don't fit today's era of college football. Where you need to put up over 30 + points to win
Best chance to win? Jesus how sad is that. This kid is a great kid, but he can't throw, he's a bad QB. Give an actual QB a shot
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This is what some said about Saban. That he handcuffed OCs like Kiffen and TRees at times...but Saban was wildly successful, so it's hard to argue with him on that.
Is there evidence MF is in the way. My sense is honestly he doesn't get involved much at all. I saw BK and Saban actively involved in play calling...I never see MF doing it visibly.
Again, I'm not sure...relying on my eyes. And open to others knowing better than me.
True or false, an EXCELLENT OBSERVATION. And to me, it has LEGS.
Remember watching LSU last year? They were an OFFENSIVE HOUSE ON FIRE. Chunk play/high scoring city.
I mean, how could Denbrook suddenly become STUPID by simply returning UP NORTH. If you can shred SEC defenses, why can't you put points up on NIU?
Denbrook may have left a better working environment for a worse one.
I guess we'll find out.
The reason is obvious, we have no receivers or QB that is even close to what LSU had
I agree.
But Denbrock didn't adjust, stubbornly putting the game on Leonard...and he overused Love in running. Price did well when got it but saw little action.
That's right, and I just made the SAME POINT in another post.
ND doeson't get the MARQUEE GAMECHANGERS ON OFFENSE.
It can't pull away and blow games open when it has to.
NO AIR POWER EXTRA GEAR.
When your QB can't throw it far enough to hit an open receiver for a TD, and instead throws it 5 yards short for an interception, it's more than just Freeman. Freeman is definitely to blame, for anointing a QB and not having a proper QB competition, because there is no way in hell Leonard is better than Angeli.
This team has some very good players. Even in skill positions on O. It's the QB and OC that has been a recurring issue...a very good QB makes ND a much more consistent team. A good OC might bring in and develop a QB better, with an appropriate game plan.
Again, it takes many things to be an elite team. I'm with you that ND lacks what Alabama, Ohio State, occasionally Michigan, now Texas have with top talent in depth. ND is not there by any means.
But ND is far and above Marshall, Stanford, and NI. Should able to smash-mouth them. That to me is on the coach. MF. And with Denbrock, per my 1st paragraph.
Savvy - “Exactly, he's another Dabo Swinnery! That's what I always thought of him as. And if he was ever going to be a great coach it would be in that vein...”
Sorry man, Dabo has two titles, a bunch of 11-12 plus win seasons. They’re nothing alike.
Sorry man, Dabo has two titles, a bunch of 11-12 plus win seasons. They’re nothing alike.
I've never doubted Freeman's INTRINSIC UNFITNESS -- coaching-wise -- but how do you account for Denbrock who had a lights-out offense at LSU last year? To me, it's clear that he had a much better QB and better receivers and a terrific, rangy tight end.
It was the head coaching for sure that was deficient, but NOT ONLY the head coaching.
It was the players WHO GOT PUSHED AROUND ON THE FIELD. ND's inexperienced OL somehow performed against A&M, but it didn't do so against NIU. That's inexperience or just getting WHUPPED.
Plus, I've felt from the outset that the DL is far from invincible as well.
And how about the OTHER TEAM WANTED IT more? I'm sure NIU's coaches reckoned that they could beat ND and went out and did it.
ND's failure was COMPLETE and across the board.
LSU had better players than ND. Particularly QB and receivers. Denbrock did a better job with them than he is apparently here at ND with a less capable QB and receivers.
And even so, BK and Denbrock lost in big games. Last week BK lost to USC. But here we're talking Marshall, Stanford, and NI...where the talent gap is really wide.
I believe a better coach would not lose those games. Sure players bear some responsibility. But coaches adjust. As did Al Golden and the D, managing an emotional let up after a big win vs TAMU...producing a solid enough performance good enough to win if Denbrock did the same. Ditto for MF, who bears ultimate responsibility.
BTW: I just listened to his press conference. I like the guy, but he's rattled and was rambling. Spoke in generalities, although I'm not sure how much the could or should share on specifics. But he didn't seem confident about what to do going forward to fix the problem.
