Poll: Zaire or Kizer (and why)
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I'm not at practice daily as the coaches are. So can't really tell.
If I had a pick on the little I"ve seen of them ... assuming their skill levels and football IQs are about equal, I'd probably go with Zaire. Why? Because he's a left hander like me.
If I had a pick on the little I"ve seen of them ... assuming their skill levels and football IQs are about equal, I'd probably go with Zaire. Why? Because he's a left hander like me.
Only based on what we know as fans, I say Zaire. Why? At the beginning of last Spring Kizer was 3rd on the depth chart. Golson left and he became 2. He did not beat out Zaire in fall camp. The coaches saw something in Zaire. Maybe his expierence at the time, which was minimal, was still enough to name him the starter. I don't know. But if Zaire is healthy, I think he is better suited for the read option than Kizer. ND needs to rely on the run game as the bread and butter and Zaire is a better runner. But hey, I'm just a fan so take it with a grain of salt.
Kizer because he performed remarkably well with no experience. He is clutch and his ceiling is thru the roof. He will get better and better.
Bodizephax
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Malik of course.
He hasn't lost a game as starter, unless proven otherwise he deserves the opportunity, IMO. Also, I like his skills within the offense, and more than anything, his ♥ baby!
He hasn't lost a game as starter, unless proven otherwise he deserves the opportunity, IMO. Also, I like his skills within the offense, and more than anything, his ♥ baby!
I would go with the proven commodity. I'm not too sold on Zaire as a ready of defenses and passer. He didn't look too comfortable against Virginia. Kizer just shows you grit, toughness and clutch ability that I'm not sure I want to spend or waste a season trying to figure out of Malik is that kind of guy. As long as Kizer continues to improve I would go with him.
I really don't think you can go wrong with either one. This offense is gonna put up points. Heck, it honestly wouldn't bother me if Wimbush was named starter, as I think he has the most potential of the 3. His time will have to wait though.
Since you gotta start someone, I'd go with Kizer. I think he's done more than enough to prove himself. He doesn't get rattled easy, good head on his shoulders, makes plays when needed, and he should only get better. Easy to forget last year was his first year of seeing college football action.
Since you gotta start someone, I'd go with Kizer. I think he's done more than enough to prove himself. He doesn't get rattled easy, good head on his shoulders, makes plays when needed, and he should only get better. Easy to forget last year was his first year of seeing college football action.
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Have to wait and see what fall camp brings. How does Zaire recover from the injury? Both physically and mentally. One thing to wear a no contact jersey in spring and another to be subject to a full on blitzing defense in the fall. Need to evaluate the leadership. Who's the stronger leader during both summer workouts and fall camp. A lot of variables with ??? still on the table for Zaire.
Some (actually one ) at this site have stated a player shouldn't lose their starting role because of injury. Even if the backup performed better. I don't buy that.
Some (actually one ) at this site have stated a player shouldn't lose their starting role because of injury. Even if the backup performed better. I don't buy that.
Malik, but it's a thin margin. The fact Malik has zero turnovers, and Kizer threw some terrible interceptions, is the reason why.
They both have "earned" the opportunity -- MZ earned it with the spring and fall camp and the way he played (albeit 2 games), and Kizer certainly has earned it as well, filling in very well over the course of the season when MZ went down.
Like someone said -- regardless of who starts, the offense will put points on the board. IF ND features the run, probably MZ, if the pass, more than likely DK.
But hey -- don't sleep on Wimbush either.
Like someone said -- regardless of who starts, the offense will put points on the board. IF ND features the run, probably MZ, if the pass, more than likely DK.
But hey -- don't sleep on Wimbush either.
Kizer? I think some fans in here are too addicted to turnovers after watching Golson and Rees. Kizer turns the ball over just like those two guys. Zaire doesn't turn it over at all! I'll always be a Zaire dude.
I think the game-time leadership might be stronger with Zaire (kind of like Tebow in some respects). But I love Kizer too. He's got nerves of steel.
I just hope the coaches anoint the QB that the team knows is their leader. Without being in the locker room, we have no way of knowing who that is.
I just hope the coaches anoint the QB that the team knows is their leader. Without being in the locker room, we have no way of knowing who that is.
I think either one of them will work and do a good job. As much as I loved watching Kizer I was a little disappointed in his ability to get rid of the ball and progress through his reads. He pretty much locked on one guy and delivered or hung onto it a bit too long late in the season. I think he will be better this year than last, has the size and love his poise but part of that poise is the problem as he needs to protect the ball and get rid of it. I was very impressed in the Music City Bowl and early last year with Zaire and his leadership and skills...so he has my vote but this is like picking between two good looking sisters and not fully knowing which one will show you a good time!
Why?
Personally I would rather have it pretty decided by fall camp start so that way you can start dedicating rep priority
Malik because in Texas they will need his legs to compliment the run-game. Don't rely on the pass game early on. Control the LOS . Especially on the road. The OLINE is young at Center and the right side is also a ? Pass protections breakdown and Zaire can get out of the pocket much quicker the DK. Just my opinion.
Kizer, I'm not at practice everyday, so I don't really know, but Kizer has more of a body of work to evaluate from. He played great last year
Mainly to prevent a transfer
But also to push both QB's to maximize their development through competition
Additionally, to show everyone else on the team that the winner won fairly, through open competition, and no one played favorites. Thus promoting team chemistry with the winning QB
The upside greatly outweighs the downside, imo
So hold a kid's future hostage? Come on now.
If one of them wants to transfer they already know they want to. Last year naming Zaire as the leader gave Golson his chance to get out and go somewhere else and either swim or sink on his own. These are men (even if they are still young) and need to be given the chance to decide their career path. Wimbush is still behind whichever one is there. And has proven to be more than serviceable if called upon.
Because I think guys need more opportunity to develop. A few weeks in the spring isn't enough to give guys a fair shot. Aside from the occasional "entitled" player, I think players can get over losing a battle for a starting spot even if they think they're better. But Iif you leave them feeling slighted over the opportunity to compete, that's when you get hard feelings, or guys starting giving a less than best practice effort.
Its different if you've got three guys battling that aren't ready to start and you need the extra time to focus on developing one into a serviceable starter. But either Kizer or Zaire could already start Texas with the normal lead reps the prep week for the game. No reason not to let Wimbush have reps with the "first" team on occasion.
Good things happen when you let talented guys compete. Ultimately I think building a culture of competition until the bitter end helps develop that "killer" instinct that closes out games. Put practice pressure on guys to do it right every time and you get more quality reps, so you don't need as many.
Just my opinion.
MZ......LEADERSHIP
And that is not saying DK does not have it, but MZ seems to have the type that will get people to walk through fire for him....that is what it takes to win at the highest level.
And that is not saying DK does not have it, but MZ seems to have the type that will get people to walk through fire for him....that is what it takes to win at the highest level.
I voted Kizer but only because we know what we have with him. It's damn close. Truth be told, I would love to utilize Malik in short yardage & red zone situations and go with Kizer in passing situations, but historically that doesn't work out.
It's not holding anyone's future hostage
If you're not 100% settle (which we're definitely not) there is no point in creating a situation that's likely to remove the choice and added safety from you
And your comparison is VERY POOR, as Zaire was NOT named a starter after last spring, Golson just decided he was going transfer anyways...
Waiting until 1-Week before the Texas game is 100% the right decision
Golson took more 1st team reps than Zaire in the spring and most analysts said that if anything it seemed like the coaching staff was leaning towards Golson by hen end of spring
You're basing a poor argument on even worse "facts"
Just do not get too wrapped up in tomorrow's action -- this battle will not be settled until August.
Cool. So going by your measure here. Nothing is news until officially reported.
I'll remember that
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Things that go directly against what's being reports (both officially and unofficially) aren't something that should be assumed as a "fact"....and are likely entirely untrue
You should remember that
Do you have access to the premium board?
Feel free to go back and dig through the Spring Camp review from last year
It was reported pretty widely by the mods
Bodizephax
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I agree. Malik is still getting his sea legs. The fall camp will be the real competition.
May the best QB win !
Watching today....ND is BLESSED WITH GREAT QB's!!!!!! MALIK and DeShone are ready to WIN now. Brandon is just a year away from being capable.
JUST WIN!!!
JUST WIN!!!
Kizer...clearly looked like a leader and the best QB on the field. Why not use Zaire inside the ten, or is that a stretch? He is too talented to sit, but that is what he will do unless Kizer gets injured.
