Let's pretend the NCAA & Playoff committee were competent for a second

[chaseball]

Let's assume vegas (or the closest system to it that is publicly available) were the playoff committee and let's also pretend the committee weren't a bunch of dinosaurs still ranking teams like the hack writers in the AP do and that it was best 12 instead of autobid seeding.

Not even getting into old debates about the efficacy of the F+ ranking system but just objectively asking yourself how much more entertaining and credible this playoff would be to watch instead?

2024 F+ playoff bracket with best 12 no autobids

• Who wouldn't want to see Indiana finally play a big boy BIG10 football team? Before stepping up to the big leagues that is the quarterfinal teams.
• SMU would also get a chance to prove itself vs a really high quality SEC team.
• Miami @ Georgia has the potential to be the best game in the first round.
• Notice the natural build up to better and better teams as a progression through the bracket.
• A potential round 2 with Alabama vs Oregon (might be 2 of the most loaded rosters in the league in a head to head)

etc. etc.

All of that would be way more entertaining to see IMO than what the playoff committee is cooking this season

 

[mva5580]

There are problems with that bracket too, just different problems.

The 12 teams that are there now would be fine if it wasn't for 1-4 automatically being conference champions. Yes, there are questionable teams in when it comes to truly who the 12 "best" teams are. There are always going to be. But 1-4 being conference champions is the bigger problem.

 

[NDSMC78]

Let's assume vegas (or the closest system to it that is publicly available) were the playoff committee and let's also pretend the committee weren't a bunch of dinosaurs still ranking teams like the hack writers in the AP do and that the NCAA/Playoff Committee didn't add the ridiculous auto bid seeding rules.

Not even getting into old debates about the efficacy of the F+ ranking system but just objectively asking yourself how much more entertaining and credible this playoff would be to watch instead?

2024 F+ playoff bracket with best 12 no autobids

• Who wouldn't want to see Indiana finally play a big boy BIG10 football team? Before stepping up to the big leagues that is the quarterfinal teams.
• SMU would also get a chance to prove itself vs a really high quality SEC team.
• Miami @ Georgia has the potential to be the best game in the first round.
• A potential round 2 with Alabama vs Oregon (might be 2 of the most loaded rosters in the league in a head to head)

etc. etc.

All of that would be way more entertaining to see IMO than what the playoff committee is cooking this season

Better still---let's pretend that Chaseball had something worthwhile to say. Nah, never going to happen.

 

[tbonesays]

None of the above. The BCS is far broader than F+.

 

[chaseball]

I dont want to veer too far off topic because i think this topic is asking an important question but i use a lot of AI chat models in my web searches these days and if you ask AI the right question the AI is referencing me on the F+ model directly linked to my posts on this forum. Apparently the AI thinks i know what im talking about in reference to Notre Dame and the F+ model, its kind of flattering.

 

[Jett Rink]

Not one person (or a virus-free machine) on planet Earth would place Texas above Georgia. LOL
Georgia beats them not once, but twice in the same year. Once AT Texas and once at a neutral site. There are plenty of other ridiculous rankings there as well like OSU over Oregon. Not worth mentioning the others.

 

[chaseball]

Not one person (or a virus-free machine) on planet Earth would place Texas above Georgia. LOL
Georgia beats them not once, but twice in the same year. Once AT Texas and once at a neutral site. There are plenty of other ridiculous rankings there as well like OSU over Oregon. Not worth mentioning the others.

Those games were close no doubt thats why you have to expand the sample size and start incorporating their performance vs other teams on the schedule as well. And when you expand the sample size Texas has produced better overall vs their schedule than Georgia has vs theirs and F+ thinks Texas would be favored in a 3-peat/rematch scenario

 

[NDSMC78]

Those games were close no doubt thats why you have to expand the sample size and start incorporating their performance vs other teams on the schedule as well. And when you expand the sample size Texas has produced better overall vs their schedule than Georgia has vs theirs and F+ thinks Texas would be favored if a 3-peat were to take place.

This poster has yet to come to the realization that football games are won on the field, not on paper and not on computer. Just doesn't have a clue.

 

[Golson5]

Those games were close no doubt thats why you have to expand the sample size and start incorporating their performance vs other teams on the schedule as well. And when you expand the sample size Texas has produced better overall vs their schedule than Georgia has vs theirs and F+ thinks Texas would be favored if a 3-peat were to take place.

Bullshit

The game at Texas was not close. Georgia dominated them.

Another example of why no one takes this ranking serious except you

 

[chaseball]

Bullshit

The game at Texas was not close. Georgia dominated them.

Another example of why no one takes this ranking serious except you

the last game texas dominated the first half and then georgia dominated even more so in the opposite direction in the 2nd half but it was still only a 1 possession game. i dont know the details of the first game but it was only a 15 point difference

 

[NDSMC78]

the last game texas dominated the first half and then georgia dominated even more so in the opposite direction in the 2nd half but it was still only a 1 possession game. i dont know the details of the first game but it was only a 15 point difference

Right. One team lost by two touchdowns. But don't look at what really happened on the field. You need to look at F+ to see which is the better team.

 

[chaseball]

a potential round 2 ND vs Ole Miss (in the F+ bracket) would be a really entertaining game vs two teams who both feel like they have a lot to prove

 

[Jett Rink]

Those games were close no doubt thats why you have to expand the sample size and start incorporating their performance vs other teams on the schedule as well. And when you expand the sample size Texas has produced better overall vs their schedule than Georgia has vs theirs and F+ thinks Texas would be favored in a 3-peat/rematch scenario

LOL. So in a 3 peat? Forget what actually happens on the field TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR. What about a 4 peat?And by the way, Texas was gifted, by far, the easiest SEC schedule of any team in the conference because the Commissioner got on his knees to make them happy for their first year since he smelled the money they would bring. They did not play Bama, Ole Miss, Tenn, South Carolina, Missouri or LSU. Every team in the SEC was pissed about it and hates them being allowed in.

 

[chaseball]

I guess the broader point im making is that the current structure of the playoff is just plain silly and not only does it not make sense intuitively, its also robbing fans of potential games like the one i just described.

who wouldnt want to watch a 9-3 ole miss for a 11-1 Notre Dame (Weis Jr storyline, lane kiffin/sec story line, a match for a final 4 spot, etc.) this game would have it all

 

[Jett Rink]

I guess the broader point im making is that the current structure of the playoff is just plain silly and not only does it not make sense intuitively, its also robbing fans of potential games like the one i just described.

who wouldnt want to watch a 9-3 ole miss for a 11-1 Notre Dame (Weis Jr storyline, lane kiffin/sec story line, a match for a final 4 spot, etc.) this game would have it all

Agree. I think the 12 teams you have are fine (1 or 2 questionable) and would make a better 12. It's the rankings of your 12 that are somewhat off.

 

[chaseball]

In the F+ bracket you would have a 3-team playoff for "battle of the big10" would be fun to see which team of PSU, OSU, and Indiana prevail.

 

[Granite45]

who wouldnt want to watch a 9-3 ole miss for a 11-1 Notre Dame (Weis Jr storyline, lane kiffin/sec story line, a match for a final 4 spot, etc.) this game would have it all

I would have no interest in seeing a 3 loss Mississippi team in the plaoffs against any team. They do not belong.

 

[NDSMC78]

I would have no interest in seeing a 3 loss Mississippi team in the plaoffs against any team. They do not belong.

Three loss teams do not belong in the playoffs.

 

[sjb75]

I would have no interest in seeing a 3 loss Mississippi team in the plaoffs against any team. They do not belong.

3 loss Clemson lost to both SEC teams they played including at home in game 12 to non playoff South Carolina.

Clemson made the 12 team playoff.

 

[Golson5]

the last game texas dominated the first half and then georgia dominated even more so in the opposite direction in the 2nd half but it was still only a 1 possession game. i dont know the details of the first game but it was only a 15 point difference

Georgia beat Texas by 15 at Texas. Then beat them again

If you rank Texas ahead of Georgia you are a moron. Period

 

[chaseball]

Georgia beat Texas by 15 at Texas. Then beat them again

If you rank Texas ahead of Georgia you are a moron. Period

If NIU were to play vs ND a 2nd time in the 2024 season and NIU were to win a 2nd time, would you not concede that in a 3rd rematch ND would not still be favored?

Thats what is happening in this Texas vs Georgia scenario but in a far less extreme example.

Texas has dominated so much vs the rest of their schedule that F+ thinks Texas is the better of the two teams even despite their head to head performance.

 

[Granite45]

3 loss Clemson lost to both SEC teams they played including at home in game 12 to non playoff South Carolina.

Clemson made the 12 team playoff.

Mississippi and Alabama, both 3 losses in the SEC compared to 2 fro Clemson. Plus Clemson made their conference championship game; neither Alabam or Mississippi did.

Clemson achieved something Alabama and Clemson did not. I would concedd that a 3 loss team does not really belong. but this partly why the entire playoff scheme is a bit of a joke. The playoff committee is thirteen people; even the older days of poll voting naming the champion al least more voters.

 

[BGI User 756]

3 loss Clemson lost to both SEC teams they played including at home in game 12 to non playoff South Carolina.

Clemson made the 12 team playoff.

It’s called conf championship Sparky

 

[Golson5]

If NIU were to play vs ND a 2nd time in the 2024 season and NIU were to win a 2nd time, would you not concede that in a 3rd rematch ND would not still be favored?

Thats what is happening in this Texas vs Georgia scenario but in a far less extreme example.

Texas has dominated so much vs the rest of their schedule that F+ thinks Texas is the better of the two teams even despite their head to head performance.

I know what F+ thinks

That's why we all laugh at it and you and think it's a joke

We are on the same page here

 

[echowaker]

Mississippi and Alabama, both 3 losses in the SEC compared to 2 fro Clemson. Plus Clemson made their conference championship game; neither Alabam or Mississippi did.

Clemson achieved something Alabama and Clemson did not. I would concedd that a 3 loss team does not really belong. but this partly why the entire playoff scheme is a bit of a joke. The playoff committee is thirteen people; even the older days of poll voting naming the champion al least more voters.

Now,now you know he doesn't care for folks using logic in these discussions.

 

[savvyandsassier]

This is a non issue. The SEC is better, they're just not that much better. They got three teams as it is. And if SMU had won they would have got four, and the ACC only one. But we have CCGs, and the winner gets the autobid, so the ACC got two, and the SEC only three. And that's it. Not controversial. Because SMU was definitely getting in at 11-1 over a 9-3 team from a better conference. And the SEC wasn't robbed of their just due or something. 10-2 likely would have been enough to leap SMU at 11-1, and no one would particularly complain. But not 9-3, they don't get a two loss discount.

This is so stupid, and such a tempest in a teapot, especially over a visibly mediocre Bama team, and this is not even about Ole Miss or SCe, who don't even get mentioned and who both finished the season as strong or stronger than Bama and are also 9-3, that one is inclined to dabble in a little conspiracy theorizing. And that the committee wants to, on account of this putative injustice, blow up the whole system, and make it all at-large bids, which is what they would love to do, but they can't because it would be totally illegitimate, and almost immoral. You don't have a large classification of over one hundred different programs, all in conferences, and then just completely disregard those conferences and the results and standings of their regular season conference play, and instead handpick the teams by your own private formula and criteria, AKA the 'best' teams. Because that would be an outrage. But that's what 'they' would love to do. And ND would presumably love it too, and would actively support such a travesty of a playoff format, rendering it an 'invitational', and no longer a championship playoff in any meaningful sense, to cater to their own circumstances.

 

[Irish_inPSU]

This is assuming that the conference title holders don't get first round byes, which IMO is part of the crux of this issue. AZ St and Boise St are clogging up two spots that, lets all be honest here, they have no business having those spots.

 

[savvyandsassier]

This is assuming that the conference title holders don't get first round byes, which IMO is part of the crux of this issue. AZ St and Boise St are clogging up two spots that, lets all be honest here, they have no business having those spots.

The bye thing is a separate issue and I don't even know why they did that. They didn't need to. They can let that slide. And go back to their self-serving power ratings formula to determine the seeding. And that way ND would be happy, because we could now be eligible for a first round bye.

 

[hvillebill]

Let's assume vegas (or the closest system to it that is publicly available) were the playoff committee and let's also pretend the committee weren't a bunch of dinosaurs still ranking teams like the hack writers in the AP do and that it was best 12 instead of autobid seeding.

Not even getting into old debates about the efficacy of the F+ ranking system but just objectively asking yourself how much more entertaining and credible this playoff would be to watch instead?

2024 F+ playoff bracket with best 12 no autobids

• Who wouldn't want to see Indiana finally play a big boy BIG10 football team? Before stepping up to the big leagues that is the quarterfinal teams.
• SMU would also get a chance to prove itself vs a really high quality SEC team.
• Miami @ Georgia has the potential to be the best game in the first round.
• Notice the natural build up to better and better teams as a progression through the bracket.
• A potential round 2 with Alabama vs Oregon (might be 2 of the most loaded rosters in the league in a head to head)

etc. etc.

All of that would be way more entertaining to see IMO than what the playoff committee is cooking this season

What, they didn’t use your charts and graphs?

GASP!!!

 

[christophero]

Regarding the Texas/Georgia debate it is hard to beat a good team 3 times in a season. If they played again I would bet on Texas, if I gambled. One thing that would give me pause is Sark is not good in big games, but he may be due.

 

[hvillebill]

This poster has yet to come to the realization that football games are won on the field, not on paper and not on computer. Just doesn't have a clue.

ChaseClown never played Pee-Wee football, let alone anything beyond that. Therefore, he has to rely upon the opinions of others to formulate his own opinion. With recruiting, all he looks at is player A is a 4-star and player B is a 3-star so obviously player A HAS to be better than player B and will always be so.

He gets all jacked up when ND gets a commit from a 3-star, but doesn't realize maybe those guys are actually coachable, the coaches see potential and the right fit and can actually get better!!!

I'll use Malachi Nelson as an example. He was the #1 recruit in the nation two years ago, but got beat out by Miller Moss (a 4-star) at USC. He transfers to Boise State and gets beat out by Maddux Madsen, a 2-STAR. So now, young Mr. Nelson once again hits the Portal in search of a place where he just gets handed the job without beating out someone else.

 

[Patrish]

Let's assume vegas (or the closest system to it that is publicly available) were the playoff committee and let's also pretend the committee weren't a bunch of dinosaurs still ranking teams like the hack writers in the AP do and that it was best 12 instead of autobid seeding.

Not even getting into old debates about the efficacy of the F+ ranking system but just objectively asking yourself how much more entertaining and credible this playoff would be to watch instead?

2024 F+ playoff bracket with best 12 no autobids

• Who wouldn't want to see Indiana finally play a big boy BIG10 football team? Before stepping up to the big leagues that is the quarterfinal teams.
• SMU would also get a chance to prove itself vs a really high quality SEC team.
• Miami @ Georgia has the potential to be the best game in the first round.
• Notice the natural build up to better and better teams as a progression through the bracket.
• A potential round 2 with Alabama vs Oregon (might be 2 of the most loaded rosters in the league in a head to head)

etc. etc.

All of that would be way more entertaining to see IMO than what the playoff committee is cooking this season

No team should get a bye and all games should be played on neutral sites

 

[savvyandsassier]

ChaseClown never played Pee-Wee football, let alone anything beyond that. Therefore, he has to rely upon the opinions of others to formulate his own opinion. With recruiting, all he looks at is player A is a 4-star and player B is a 3-star so obviously player A HAS to be better than player B and will always be so.

He gets all jacked up when ND gets a commit from a 3-star, but doesn't realize maybe those guys are actually coachable, the coaches see potential and the right fit and can actually get better!!!

I'll use Malachi Nelson as an example. He was the #1 recruit in the nation two years ago, but got beat out by Miller Moss (a 4-star) at USC. He transfers to Boise State and gets beat out by Maddux Madsen, a 2-STAR. So now, young Mr. Nelson once again hits the Portal in search of a place where he just gets handed the job without beating out someone else.

Yeah, but that's only because in both instances, his competition for the starting spot's initials were 'MM'. That's the reason. So wherever he transfers, if he can just avoid that, he'll be one of the best QBs in the country. So the rankings are not wrong, but they do have their quirks.

 

[chaseball]

After round 1 of playoffs the F+ top 12 playoff bracket looks even better.

Basically all the first round bye teams in the F+ bracket dominated in round 1

The F+ bracket would have made for much better/more competitive games in both rounds 1 & round 2

 

[hvillebill]

After round 1 of playoffs the F+ top 12 playoff bracket looks even better.

Basically all the first round bye teams in the F+ bracket dominated in round 1

The F+ bracket would have made for much better/more competitive games in both rounds 1 & round 2

Yeah, no one would have ever guessed that on their own...................

I must say, you have a wonderful grasp of the obvious.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Let's assume vegas (or the closest system to it that is publicly available) were the playoff committee and let's also pretend the committee weren't a bunch of dinosaurs still ranking teams like the hack writers in the AP do and that it was best 12 instead of autobid seeding.

Not even getting into old debates about the efficacy of the F+ ranking system but just objectively asking yourself how much more entertaining and credible this playoff would be to watch instead?

2024 F+ playoff bracket with best 12 no autobids

• Who wouldn't want to see Indiana finally play a big boy BIG10 football team? Before stepping up to the big leagues that is the quarterfinal teams.
• SMU would also get a chance to prove itself vs a really high quality SEC team.
• Miami @ Georgia has the potential to be the best game in the first round.
• Notice the natural build up to better and better teams as a progression through the bracket.
• A potential round 2 with Alabama vs Oregon (might be 2 of the most loaded rosters in the league in a head to head)

etc. etc.

All of that would be way more entertaining to see IMO than what the playoff committee is cooking this season

I would rather pretend college football wasn't trying to be the NFL

 

[NDSMC78]

I would rather pretend college football wasn't trying to be the NFL

This. Exactly this.

 

[sjb75]

This. Exactly this.

The NFL 14 team playoff format….with even conferences and as much schedule parity as possible, with two byes to the two best teams by their records, is pretty flawless.

Schedule parity, or the lack of it, is a huge problem in CFB:

 

[deadirishpoet]

The NFL 14 team playoff format….with even conferences and as much schedule parity as possible, with two byes to the two best teams by their records, is pretty flawless.

Schedule parity, or the lack of it, is a huge problem in CFB:

That's not the only huge problem