Thing is, there was nothing ethnic about this. The foul-mouthed clown was destined to be dumped even if his name were Murphy. He was a Mooch ado about nothing.The Irish and the Italians have been butting heads forever nothing new here
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Thing is, there was nothing ethnic about this. The foul-mouthed clown was destined to be dumped even if his name were Murphy. He was a Mooch ado about nothing.The Irish and the Italians have been butting heads forever nothing new here
The Constitution says the federal government isn't suppose to provide Universal Health Care but, it does allow the federal government to protect us from dangers home and abroad.
This is a states rights issue
Sorry about that brother sarcasm doesn't come across so well in text form.Thing is, there was nothing ethnic about this. The foul-mouthed clown was destined to be dumped even if his name were Murphy. He was a Mooch ado about nothing.
Oh, I didn't think you were serious, but I found it funny that Mooch was acting like a mafioso hit man and then got a dose of his own medicine.Sorry about that brother sarcasm doesn't come across so well in text form.
That was a stretch.GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE.Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
When affordable healthcare becomes unavailable or unaffordable it is easily a constitutionally viable argument that the federal government can provide healthcare.
That was a stretch.
When the federal government became the vehicle to make Healthcare more unaccessible, and unaffordable then they don't need to be anywhere near it.
This is the 10th Amendment issue plain and simple
The Fed government has no comprehension of fair cost.Causality will not be a factor when the supreme Court interprets this. Plain and simple Congress will be able to argue they have constitutional rights to enact a government single payer system to maintain a social norm once it is no longer feasible on a national level to provide basic healthcare at a fair cost. It's pretty cut and dry.
DIP...as much as I am opposed to a single payer system, the reality is we have this in Medicaid and Medicare, which serve a significant portion of our population. Obamacare expanded the Medicaid program to include lower compensated full time workers; and if the Repubs don't deliver a better healthcare solution to the American public, it is only a matter of time before the cutoff to qualify for Medicare is dropped from 65 to say 60; and at some point, the majority of Americans will be participating in a single payer system, and there will be no political will to prevent this becoming our national system for everyone. The discussion has moved well beyond the states rights assertion in a real political sense, as the majority of Americans now believe healthcare is a right and that universal healthcare is the right goal, and that no one should be denied access to affordable care due to pre existing conditions. The real debate is how best to achieve these, and no longer whether these are appropriate goals and rolls for the Federal government.[/QUOTE]The Fed government has no comprehension of fair cost.
Single payer will never pass
Not with this Supreme Court.
Not with this Congress.
What is cut and dry is its a 10th amendment issue.
This ain't Cuba
President Trump has put a lot of quality Professionals in the White House
Just growing pains.
The next group he brings in. He doesn't like total hacks like previous President.Looks like they're all gone now. Mattis, McMaster, Tillerson, Sessions....
Who's left of the quality professionals?
The next group he brings in. He doesn't like total hacks like previous President.
Thanks God daily Trump saved this country from the career criminal.I see. The people that everyone told us were the "true professionals" were actually total hacks. Makes perfect sense.
Now if you told me that Ben Carson, Betsy Devos, and Jared Kushner were total hacks who had no qualifications to do the jobs they were hired to do, I'd believe you.
Thanks God daily Trump saved this country from the career criminal.
Right, because there's nothing criminal about Trump and his crew. I really don't know how you guys can say stuff like that with a straight face. Let's review:
- His Campaign manager is now a convicted criminal who secretly met with an enemy state that criminally interfered in our election. And he committed about a dozen other crimes and got busted for them.
- His Deputy Campaign Manager is now a convicted criminal who lied to the feds.
- His foreign policy adviser is now a convicted criminal who lied to the feds. And he met with a Russian who told him about the stolen emails.
- His first national security adviser is now a convicted criminal who secretly communicated with an enemy state to reassure them they wouldn't be punished for interfering in our election.
- His personal attorney and "fixer" is now a convicted criminal. He secretly paid off Trump's romantic conquests (porn stars, etc.) to help win the election. He sold influence to the White House. He was helping communicate with Russia about Trump Tower Moscow, which he, Trump, and everyone else lied about.
- His "charitable foundation" was being so misused (the Trumps treated it like their personal piggy bank) that once a criminal case got launched, he folded it up like a cheap suit.
- He has emoluments clause cases against him for violating the Constitution by blatantly profiting off the presidency.
- He had to pay $25 million for his "Trump University" fraud.
Not a complete list, just off the top of my head. When everyone you associate with does criminal stuff, and you do criminal stuff, and everyone in your inner circle perjures himself about secret contacts with a foreign nation that hacked our election....
DIP...as much as I am opposed to a single payer system, the reality is we have this in Medicaid and Medicare, which serve a significant portion of our population. Obamacare expanded the Medicaid program to include lower compensated full time workers; and if the Repubs don't deliver a better healthcare solution to the American public, it is only a matter of time before the cutoff to qualify for Medicare is dropped from 65 to say 60; and at some point, the majority of Americans will be participating in a single payer system, and there will be no political will to prevent this becoming our national system for everyone. The discussion has moved well beyond the states rights assertion in a real political sense, as the majority of Americans now believe healthcare is a right and that universal healthcare is the right goal, and that no one should be denied access to affordable care due to pre existing conditions. The real debate is how best to achieve these, and no longer whether these are appropriate goals and rolls for the Federal government.
DIP...as much as I am opposed to a single payer system, the reality is we have this in Medicaid and Medicare, which serve a significant portion of our population. Obamacare expanded the Medicaid program to include lower compensated full time workers; and if the Repubs don't deliver a better healthcare solution to the American public, it is only a matter of time before the cutoff to qualify for Medicare is dropped from 65 to say 60; and at some point, the majority of Americans will be participating in a single payer system, and there will be no political will to prevent this becoming our national system for everyone. The discussion has moved well beyond the states rights assertion in a real political sense, as the majority of Americans now believe healthcare is a right and that universal healthcare is the right goal, and that no one should be denied access to affordable care due to pre existing conditions. The real debate is how best to achieve these, and no longer whether these are appropriate goals and rolls for the Federal government.
WHETHER you made something of yourself is obvious. A government that guarantees the right to arms and not health care is a conservative joke.[/QUOTE]We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?
DIP...missed your response to my post until this thread was brought back to life. Well, you know where the hell I live, Northern California! While my State of birth is the poster child for what passes as progressive thought, with more rights assigned every resident, legal or nor, to live according to the dictates of National or State policy, at the expense of basic individual rights. I used to gain comfort knowing that this progressive thought was in the main dominant on the west coast and notheast, always a reach too far for the vast majority of Americans. Not any more. If you don’t see this, then my rhetorical question is where the hell do you live?We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?
Anyone notice that the 'Conservative' leader slipped in the biggest act of gun control in 30 years? Yet no media is reporting it because it doesnt create fear mongering against the other side? Libs should be clapping becuase Obama never did anything against guns.... Conservatives should be rioting in the streets... yet they and the NRA are quiet because they would never speak out against Trump.
Everyone is garbage.
DIP...missed your response to my post until this thread was brought back to life. Well, you know where the hell I live, Northern California! While my State of birth is the poster child for what passes as progressive thought, with more rights assigned every resident, legal or nor, to live according to the dictates of National or State policy, at the expense of basic individual rights. I used to gain comfort knowing that this progressive thought was in the main dominant on the west coast and notheast, always a reach too far for the vast majority of Americans. Not any more. If you don’t see this, then my rhetorical question is where the hell do you live?We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?