Thing is, there was nothing ethnic about this. The foul-mouthed clown was destined to be dumped even if his name were Murphy. He was a Mooch ado about nothing.
OT: Trump was actually right about something
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GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE.Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
When affordable healthcare becomes unavailable or unaffordable it is easily a constitutionally viable argument that the federal government can provide healthcare.[/QUOTE]
That was a stretch.
When the federal government became the vehicle to make Healthcare more unaccessible, and unaffordable then they don't need to be anywhere near it.
This is the 10th Amendment issue plain and simple
Oh, I didn't think you were serious, but I found it funny that Mooch was acting like a mafioso hit man and then got a dose of his own medicine.
That was a stretch.
When the federal government became the vehicle to make Healthcare more unaccessible, and unaffordable then they don't need to be anywhere near it.
This is the 10th Amendment issue plain and simple[/QUOTE]
Causality will not be a factor when the supreme Court interprets this. Plain and simple Congress will be able to argue they have constitutional rights to enact a government single payer system to maintain a social norm once it is no longer feasible on a national level to provide basic healthcare at a fair cost. It's pretty cut and dry.
Causality will not be a factor when the supreme Court interprets this. Plain and simple Congress will be able to argue they have constitutional rights to enact a government single payer system to maintain a social norm once it is no longer feasible on a national level to provide basic healthcare at a fair cost. It's pretty cut and dry.[/QUOTE]
The Fed government has no comprehension of fair cost.
Single payer will never pass
Not with this Supreme Court.
Not with this Congress.
What is cut and dry is its a 10th amendment issue.
This ain't Cuba
The Fed government has no comprehension of fair cost.
Single payer will never pass
Not with this Supreme Court.
Not with this Congress.
What is cut and dry is its a 10th amendment issue.
This ain't Cuba[/QUOTE]
DIP...as much as I am opposed to a single payer system, the reality is we have this in Medicaid and Medicare, which serve a significant portion of our population. Obamacare expanded the Medicaid program to include lower compensated full time workers; and if the Repubs don't deliver a better healthcare solution to the American public, it is only a matter of time before the cutoff to qualify for Medicare is dropped from 65 to say 60; and at some point, the majority of Americans will be participating in a single payer system, and there will be no political will to prevent this becoming our national system for everyone. The discussion has moved well beyond the states rights assertion in a real political sense, as the majority of Americans now believe healthcare is a right and that universal healthcare is the right goal, and that no one should be denied access to affordable care due to pre existing conditions. The real debate is how best to achieve these, and no longer whether these are appropriate goals and rolls for the Federal government.
DIP...as much as I am opposed to a single payer system, the reality is we have this in Medicaid and Medicare, which serve a significant portion of our population. Obamacare expanded the Medicaid program to include lower compensated full time workers; and if the Repubs don't deliver a better healthcare solution to the American public, it is only a matter of time before the cutoff to qualify for Medicare is dropped from 65 to say 60; and at some point, the majority of Americans will be participating in a single payer system, and there will be no political will to prevent this becoming our national system for everyone. The discussion has moved well beyond the states rights assertion in a real political sense, as the majority of Americans now believe healthcare is a right and that universal healthcare is the right goal, and that no one should be denied access to affordable care due to pre existing conditions. The real debate is how best to achieve these, and no longer whether these are appropriate goals and rolls for the Federal government.[/QUOTE]
We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?
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Looks like they're all gone now. Mattis, McMaster, Tillerson, Sessions....
Who's left of the quality professionals?
The next group he brings in. He doesn't like total hacks like previous President.
I see. The people that everyone told us were the "true professionals" were actually total hacks. Makes perfect sense.
Now if you told me that Ben Carson, Betsy Devos, and Jared Kushner were total hacks who had no qualifications to do the jobs they were hired to do, I'd believe you.
Thanks God daily Trump saved this country from the career criminal.
With every Trump post some of you continue to show that there is now the human race and the Trump race. The human race is coming around to see this guy as the moron he is. The Trump race is getting ready to start a GoFundMe for his lawyer fees for when he's indicted post-presidency.
Right, because there's nothing criminal about Trump and his crew. I really don't know how you guys can say stuff like that with a straight face. Let's review:
- His Campaign manager is now a convicted criminal who secretly met with an enemy state that criminally interfered in our election. And he committed about a dozen other crimes and got busted for them.
- His Deputy Campaign Manager is now a convicted criminal who lied to the feds.
- His foreign policy adviser is now a convicted criminal who lied to the feds. And he met with a Russian who told him about the stolen emails.
- His first national security adviser is now a convicted criminal who secretly communicated with an enemy state to reassure them they wouldn't be punished for interfering in our election.
- His personal attorney and "fixer" is now a convicted criminal. He secretly paid off Trump's romantic conquests (porn stars, etc.) to help win the election. He sold influence to the White House. He was helping communicate with Russia about Trump Tower Moscow, which he, Trump, and everyone else lied about.
- His "charitable foundation" was being so misused (the Trumps treated it like their personal piggy bank) that once a criminal case got launched, he folded it up like a cheap suit.
- He has emoluments clause cases against him for violating the Constitution by blatantly profiting off the presidency.
- He had to pay $25 million for his "Trump University" fraud.
Not a complete list, just off the top of my head. When everyone you associate with does criminal stuff, and you do criminal stuff, and everyone in your inner circle perjures himself about secret contacts with a foreign nation that hacked our election....
Lerner, Kerry, Hillary, Lynch, Holder, Quest4Twelve are the Hall of Fame of hacks.
Trump said some would get tired of Winning!
Trump said some would get tired of Winning!
We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?[/QUOTE]
WHETHER you made something of yourself is obvious. A government that guarantees the right to arms and not health care is a conservative joke.
We're in he hell do you live were people believe healthcare is a right? Thank God I don't live there.
The only rights you have is your voice, your guns, and weather you want to make something of yourself or not.
Sorry if I sound harsh brother, but when did we start becoming a country of working for the government and not the government working for us?[/QUOTE]
DIP...missed your response to my post until this thread was brought back to life. Well, you know where the hell I live, Northern California! While my State of birth is the poster child for what passes as progressive thought, with more rights assigned every resident, legal or nor, to live according to the dictates of National or State policy, at the expense of basic individual rights. I used to gain comfort knowing that this progressive thought was in the main dominant on the west coast and notheast, always a reach too far for the vast majority of Americans. Not any more. If you don’t see this, then my rhetorical question is where the hell do you live?
DIP.... harsh reactions by well meaning brothers never offends. We just see the mood and will of the country quite differently.
WHETHER you made something of yourself is obvious. A government that guarantees the right to arms and not health care is a conservative joke.[/QUOTE]
A government does not guarantee. .the constitution guarantees
DIP...missed your response to my post until this thread was brought back to life. Well, you know where the hell I live, Northern California! While my State of birth is the poster child for what passes as progressive thought, with more rights assigned every resident, legal or nor, to live according to the dictates of National or State policy, at the expense of basic individual rights. I used to gain comfort knowing that this progressive thought was in the main dominant on the west coast and notheast, always a reach too far for the vast majority of Americans. Not any more. If you don’t see this, then my rhetorical question is where the hell do you live?
DIP.... harsh reactions by well meaning brothers never offends. We just see the mood and will of the country quite differently.[/QUOTE]
It's quite simple this is a stats issue
If a state wants to provide some sort of statewide healthcare then have at it and go broke.
It has been tried before and failed.
Now to your bigger point.
If the majority of the country wants the federal government to give them....I dont know let's say $200,000 a year then it should happen?
Were the hell do I live?
In reality
Your is point well taken though
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Anyone notice that the 'Conservative' leader slipped in the biggest act of gun control in 30 years? Yet no media is reporting it because it doesnt create fear mongering against the other side? Libs should be clapping becuase Obama never did anything against guns.... Conservatives should be rioting in the streets... yet they and the NRA are quiet because they would never speak out against Trump.
Everyone is garbage.
Everyone is garbage.
DIP...missed your response to my post until this thread was brought back to life. Well, you know where the hell I live, Northern California! While my State of birth is the poster child for what passes as progressive thought, with more rights assigned every resident, legal or nor, to live according to the dictates of National or State policy, at the expense of basic individual rights. I used to gain comfort knowing that this progressive thought was in the main dominant on the west coast and notheast, always a reach too far for the vast majority of Americans. Not any more. If you don’t see this, then my rhetorical question is where the hell do you live?
DIP.... harsh reactions by well meaning brothers never offends. We just see the mood and will of the country quite differently.[/QUOTE]
Healthcare is not a right, as it's not in the Constitution. It may be a necessity. As a retired doctor, and I'm sure there are many on this site that practice medicine or are retired like me, they can tell you about how the medical system is screwed, unfortunately was created by us doctors. In the private sector, approximately 40% or more is spent on Administration. Insurance companies routinely denied treatment that later on is ultimately approved bus delay necessary treatment. The cost of medical treatment has gone absurd since Obama was in office. Over the eight years he was President, my insurance premiums more than doubled. How can the average person pay close to $1,000 a month, have a $6,500 deductible and then she'll out co pays every time you go to the doctor?
The bottom line is, you have the libertards who want literally everything covered under the sun when most people may not want it or need it. The needs of healthcare change by the age group. I believe every American citizen and I quote citizen should get major medical which covers inpatient stay, outpatient surgery, drug addiction treatment, and the cost of medication. The amount of premium in individual pays is based on how much money they make or if you want to look at it the opposite way they don't make. When individuals can have basically a ala carte menu that they can take.
With all of the good prescription programs that are out there that are free, people don't need prescription cost necessarily in their insurance program that we're paying for now. For example, my GoodRx discount has several medications like take that cost less than if I use silver Scripts. What's the logical that?
Now that I'm on Medicare with a supplement, even with the prescription program, my cost is less than a third of what I was paying private wise, and I have more coverage. The whole medical system has to be revamped, insurance companies should bid and or specialized in the type of services they want to provide which will reduce the cost of the treatment insurance. Or in the alternative, go to a system like Medicare was let me tell you a lot of my friends wish they had that a lot younger than me.
And for those non US citizens I want to purchase health care, they can. Of course I'll be those that go with what happens if you're not a US citizen and you can't tea for health care premiums, well if you here illegally get the F out
I still think the the best system of health care is the employer, Employee , Based System for the majority of of our citizens. Medicare was designed for retirees who were no longer employed. Medicade was established
To help the people who were in poverty, not able to work due to age or some type of disability.
Medicade is also run by the individual states.
Of course, oncethe Federal Government sees power they seize it and expand programs and the
Bureaucracy that goes with those programs by adding people to those programs that those original
Programs were never designed for, so now those programs are going broke!
The original foundations of those “Safty nets “ are crumbling under the weight of the ever increasing
Number of recipients that should never have been added in the first place !
Just keep piling up the debt, spend, spend , spend !
Guys there is no Free Lunch! Simple truth, the productive members of society have to pay for the none
Productive !
I do know the German Social Medical System because, I participated in it for a few years when that
Program was relatively young. The overwhelming people who paid into it were healthy young people,
So it was , and still is, employer or employee based.
Another point was that Germany had A minimal number of armed forces, and paid almost nothing
For its national defense, because Uncle Sap was picking up the tab !
Then the wall came down, As my brother in law used to say “ Everyone who had a German Shepard
Was now a German ! “ them came Angela Merkel , the German Obama Socialist, and she admitted all
The “ Refugees “ mostly young healthy men, who are adding another burden on the German Social System as well as ideas foreign to Western Civilization causing added problems,
Waits for simple medical testing that take days here are now taking weeks and months in Germany.
Waits for badly needed medical procedures take months. Doctors’ pay is limited also resulting in declining
Care.
In short, limited Socialism , that starts with good intentions, takes on a life of its own, and eventually
Becomes an all consuming monsters that destroys and devours a nation.
To help the people who were in poverty, not able to work due to age or some type of disability.
Medicade is also run by the individual states.
Of course, oncethe Federal Government sees power they seize it and expand programs and the
Bureaucracy that goes with those programs by adding people to those programs that those original
Programs were never designed for, so now those programs are going broke!
The original foundations of those “Safty nets “ are crumbling under the weight of the ever increasing
Number of recipients that should never have been added in the first place !
Just keep piling up the debt, spend, spend , spend !
Guys there is no Free Lunch! Simple truth, the productive members of society have to pay for the none
Productive !
I do know the German Social Medical System because, I participated in it for a few years when that
Program was relatively young. The overwhelming people who paid into it were healthy young people,
So it was , and still is, employer or employee based.
Another point was that Germany had A minimal number of armed forces, and paid almost nothing
For its national defense, because Uncle Sap was picking up the tab !
Then the wall came down, As my brother in law used to say “ Everyone who had a German Shepard
Was now a German ! “ them came Angela Merkel , the German Obama Socialist, and she admitted all
The “ Refugees “ mostly young healthy men, who are adding another burden on the German Social System as well as ideas foreign to Western Civilization causing added problems,
Waits for simple medical testing that take days here are now taking weeks and months in Germany.
Waits for badly needed medical procedures take months. Doctors’ pay is limited also resulting in declining
Care.
In short, limited Socialism , that starts with good intentions, takes on a life of its own, and eventually
Becomes an all consuming monsters that destroys and devours a nation.
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