Notre Dame does NOT need a new OC
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The last 2 seasons the offense was fine. Not many Tommy complaints on this board the past 2 seasons. Now, no QB and Tommy needs to be fired?
What was the ND record the past 2 seasons? Tommy was the OC then, right? No QB this season, that is the problem.
Did you say these things the past 2 seasons? ND lost what, 4 games in 2 years?
I cannot remember anyone on this board the last seasons call for an OC change.
My issue with Tommy is his QB recruiting. It is bad
You are joking right?
Yes we said it last year. Moreover, the fact that he had a grad transfer come in and have the year he had, but then has two guys with three years in his system that were rated higher look not ready to play illustrates the issue with QB development. Looking for a grad transfer again next year almost looks like an admission of the issue.
The issue was hidden and forgiven last year because the oline was so horrible, that any positive plays were big deals. At the same time Tommy insisted on running right at the dline and 8 in the box and rarely got rbs in space. In the okie st game he looked like a world beater...for a half. Then couldn't generate anything once the dc adjusted (similar to navy).
The narrative was also created that Tommy was being held back by Brian Kelly, and was given a pass based on a half vs okie st. After most of a season what we have seen is a smart oc that when left alone has demonstrated an inability to adjust to defensive changes mid game, that relies on talent over scheming, that still has issues manufacturing chuck plays with athletes in space (lenzy, styles, Tyree)... .
the criticism gets louder as he is repeatedly demonstrating behaviors.
Does he get a pass for buchners injury? Hell no. If anything Tyree, styles, and lenzy should be MORE involved.
This season comes down to a lack of QB. Put any QB from any of the top 10 teams and ND is at minimum a 1 loss team. Heck, put the NC QB on this team and ND still has 1 loss.
Now, the lack of a QB falls on Tommy's shoulders.
Rees biggest fault is he gets a lead and then plays conservative and it bites him in the butt ala Oklahoma St and Navy games. I dislike his calls in redzone. I can call them everytime. So I know the opponent's D can.
What does " he gets a lead and then plays conservative" mean? Give me an example with stats to back up your claim.
Is going up 4 tds then trying to run the ball being "to conservative"? What were the play calls after ND went up big?
Also, is the defense to blame at all in an opponent coming back?
Yes there was. Where were you?
Fine is about right. Nothing that says wow this kid is a future star.
Our offense other than vs FSU was terrible the first 6 weeks. It took kelly stepping in and going to a quick pass offense to get it turned around. Many I mean Many were calling for a quick pass offense and zeke to be benched by about week 2 or 3. Took the coaches until week 7 to make it happen.
This is flat out ignorance of the game. There were many many times that Pyne should have thrown it, but for some reason wouldn't in the second half against Navy. The QB played an abysmal second half. Read more, post less, that would help you
I think Tommy Rees would be a better pro play caller than college. I think some of his concepts are complex and his QB's have to make a lot of reads that other schools dont ask of their QBs.
Hes not a great teacher of the RPO game nor the quick pass game. 2 very critical parts in the college game
Hes not a great teacher of the RPO game nor the quick pass game. 2 very critical parts in the college game
The last two seasons he leaned heavily on BK. The training wheels came off this season, and we have games like Clemson, and 2nd half's like Navy.
Timing is everything, at the time Kelly resigned who was available ?
Please list them !
Agree. The QB play is a far far bigger issue than Tommy Rees is evaluating the 2022 offense. If you want to question recruiting that’s fair. Coaching acumen isn’t the issue with Tommy Rees; however, he has struggled a bit not having Brian Kelly to mentor him.
TR is still learning his craft. If you combine that with a below average QB, you’re not gonna get the results you want. That’s not to say there aren’t other issues. There are and they have been mentioned many times. However, none is bigger than production at QB. I would argue that a Jack Coan type QB would be 9-1 at this point. I am not knocking the Irish QB personally. I am simply pointing out his god given ability. He is not big. He is not fast or quick. He doesn’t have a strong arm. Tangible real attributes you would like to have in a QB. He does have moxie. He has heart. He come across as unflappable. These are also qualities you want in a QB. At the end of the day, regardless of what you think about DP, the production is not where it needs or should be. Lack of overall talent at the QB position is main reason the offense has struggled most of the season.A great player can make an average coach look great. ND needs to upgrade the QB position in order to take a step towards a NC.
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Your ignoring him calling plays vs Stanford and Marshall into the teeth of the defense throughout the game with zero effort to use space.
It's like he took two weeks off and was getting a slushy during the game. How hard is it to call a sweep, a zone read, or just throw the damn ball.
We didn't lose to either Marshall or Stanford due to QB. We lost because we called a game vs inferior talent about as uncreatively as possible.
Pyne cannot make consistent plays down field. He looks at 1 guy, the TE.
Tommy is very limited on what plays to call.
Pyne was 13/27 for only 151 yards vs Stanford. 29.2 QBR
Put any QB from the top 10 schools and ND might have 1 loss.
Yeah it really can.
When your execution of run blocking and pass protection is bad, it is completely expected for a play caller to alter his play calling to MINIMIZE those deficiencies. Bubble screens, sweeps, outside runs, rb screens etc... Things that don't require a good day blocking up front and take advantage of the 9 people in the box.
NO ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE. They were essentially told to execute better and they lost because of it. That is 100% on the oc.
The moderator has to introduce a minimum IQ requirement for those wanting to post !
Stop the mental masturbation, we don’t have any other QB’s other than the ones on the roster
Patrick Mahomes isn’t playing for us on Saturday
If Rees lands Minchey and Carr and is part of recruiting this class and next years, he has redeemed himself in recruiting. His second half play calls and inconsistency is suspect. He has had to rely, more than most OC's, on the defense and special teams to win every game since BK left and keep games close enough for him to win. He is fully responsible for the majority of our losses including Ohio State, Marshall and Stanford. The defense did enough.
More finger pointing drivel to fit your anti Tommy Rees narrative. The majority of our offensive issues falls squarely on the players lack of execution. Multiple missed scoring opportunities in every game. The Navy 2nd half was a complete let down of intensity by the whole team. It happens, we won
So you have no comment on the total lack of adjustments... To running into 8-9 man fronts all year.
You can execute perfectly and if you run duo against a loaded front all game you will look bad.
That's on the oc for calling the wrong play. Not the players.
You can't bitch about finger pointing and then point your finger. It's pretty hypocritical. The lack of diversity in the offense isnt an execution issue. It's a play calling issues.
Is it lack of execution if the players don’t make plays because the called play didn’t work against the alignment? This notion that rees is calling great games and it’s a lack of execution that does us in every time is far fetched, imo. There’s no doubt that Pyne has missed some gimmees on great calls (the miss to Mayer last week was awful) but they’re few and far between. It’s maddening because there are times when he is masterful in a play call but then reverts back to run up the middle, straight drop w/ a 5-10 qb. It doesn’t count to call good plays some of the time. I get that players don’t always execute, but when the opponent is loading the box and we keep running into it on 1st & 2nd and then dropping straight back when they’re sending 6 or 7, something needs to change. I’ve heard some say the qb is missing hot reads, that’s happened, no doubt, but the majority of the negative plays from pressure or sacks are plays when the qb had little to no time to hit the hot read. We should have more in our blitz p/u repertoire than hitting a hot read too. That’s no way to consistently beat a blitzing defense. We need more ingenuity when it comes to pressure and we haven’t gotten it fully from rees’ playcalling.
I think a question that needs to be asked is the following :
How could ND run all day long on a highly toured Clemson defense and struggle against a Navy defense that was significantly outweighed and not highly touted ?
First of all they weren't using 8 - 9 man fronts vs Navy in the second half. They were 3 - 4 down lineman and blitzing constantly, most off the edge. Our RBs blocking was pathetic, Lugg played an awful half and Pyne just couldn't read the pressure and held the ball waaay to long. He missed Mayer on clear TD and Navy dared him to throw it. All of that is on the players. He had ample time to go over the top but he needs to get the ball out. Our QB is simply not experienced enough to do it. All execution
Another constant for the past 12 years. the play would have worked IF the qb saw all the receivers and found the best matchup and threw it in time to where only the WR could get it. In other words; the play was perfect if the qb had been someone else.
You guys can talk all you want about the qb not making the play but it’s lot easier said than done when the opponent has sold out on the run and has loaded the box. They kept blitzing and he kept running right into it or having Pyne drop straight back when, for the most part, the protection was awful to iffy at best. Mix in a different look or get the short qb on the corner sometimes. There were zero adjustments to the pressure. Again, relying on straight drop back hot reads every single play w/ heavy pressure is not going to work consistently. The qb missed some & the protection sucked but the playcalling was abysmal in the 2nd half, void of any ingenuity at all.
