ND must now join a conference

[96domer]

The whole discussion is in the context of winning a national championship; if you don't get that and you're happy just winning games, then we have no discussion, and you're being disingenous.

The TV contact dollars from being in a conference is almost on par with our exclusive deal, depending on the conference. If it's just about money, then we can end the discussion. One of the goals of that exclusive TV deal was national exposure which at one time helped recruiting. Not so much anymore, given the anemic number of 5* players that we get. The conference exposure is much greater. All the top schools, the contending schools, in every conference get more 5* recruits then we do.

All contending teams recruit nationally, and our independence does not help in that regard. Again just look at the star ratings of the recruits. It use to be that we got the 5* athletes, but no more.

Joining a conference gives our kids a chance to play for first a conference championship, a conference championship game, and then a national title, instead of having a season over by week 2, and as I said with the continued changing of the CFB landscape, it's inevitable.

You seemed obsessed with whether I'm an Alum or not. Whether I, or you for that matter, are alums or not is irrelevant to the discussion. Because by bringing that into the discussion is to say things shouldn't evolve because some grey beards want to hold onto the past. That is flat ridiculous. It should be about the current players, playing in the current landscape of college football, and the current coaches recruiting in that environment. Without recruiting at a level of AL, UGA, USC, MI etc., we are fooling ourselves it is the only way ND will ever actually compete for a national championship.

I'm sorry but being an alum means more than you can imagine. ND is a special place. I thought I knew how special it is when I attended but it takes about five years out to have it really take hold. Don't insult the grey beards. I'll respect the opinion of a grey beard alum over a fair weather fan like you.

 

[BGI User 1798]

Why aren't more team's independent if that's the way to go?

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I'm sorry but being an alum means more than you can imagine. ND is a special place. I thought I knew how special it is when I attended but it takes about five years out to have it really take hold. Don't insult the grey beards. I'll respect the opinion of a grey beard alum over a fair weather fan like you.

I didn't say I am or I am not an alum, I find that to be a unwarranted criteria for this discussion, which has to do with how does the UND actually and truly compete for a National Championship. It takes recruiting, it's that simple, and in the current landscape of CFB, our recruiting is not well served for that level of competition by being independent. You can argue it all you want, but you can count our 5* recruits on one hand over the past 15 years vs the teams that actually do compete and win National Championships. I completely understand the special place that is the UND. I totally understand the tradition of independence, and I am one of those grey beards who goes back to the late 1970s. CFB has changed dramatically and we are not keeping up; joining a conference is inevitable. We always had a tradition of winning National Championships; that tradition is now dead for 36 years running. Doesn't take a UND degree, or any degree, to see it isn't working. UGA hadn't won a NC since 1980, then Kirby Smart picked up the recruiting and guess what? They have more 5* athletes on their current roster than we've had in 15 years

 

[d1042]

Answer is, join an independent conference; none of the teams know who the other teams in the conference are!

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Answer is, join an independent conference; none of the teams know who the other teams in the conference are!

Another childish post that adds nothing to the discussion. Grow up, please

 

[sjb75]

I didn't say I am or I am not an alum, I find that to be a unwarranted criteria for this discussion, which has to do with how does the UND actually and truly compete for a National Championship. It takes recruiting, it's that simple, and in the current landscape of CFB, our recruiting is not well served for that level of competition by being independent. You can argue it all you want, but you can count our 5* recruits on one hand over the past 15 years vs the teams that actually do compete and win National Championships. I completely understand the special place that is the UND. I totally understand the tradition of independence, and I am one of those grey beards who goes back to the late 1970s. CFB has changed dramatically and we are not keeping up; joining a conference is inevitable. We always had a tradition of winning National Championships; that tradition is now dead for 36 years running. Doesn't take a UND degree, or any degree, to see it isn't working. UGA hadn't won a NC since 1980, then Kirby Smart picked up the recruiting and guess what? They have more 5* athletes on their current roster than we've had in 15 years

Not interested in being Northwestern.

And frankly, recruiting is currently going quite well.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Not interested in being Northwestern.

And frankly, recruiting is currently going quite well.

Not really. How many 5* recruits do we have coming in????

 

[burmafrd1943]

Not really. How many 5* recruits do we have coming in????

once again moving the goal posts. We are getting the talent; the only area we really hae had trouble with is getting top QBs but we are getting pretty much all that we need elsewhere.

Bottom line is that joining a conference does nothing for Notre Dame.

We make plenty of money.

MF is showing that we can get the talent.

Frankly I doubt many players care all that much about conference championships now that we have playoffs and more.

and who gets more national exposure than Notre Dame on a yearly basis? If there are any its a short list.

Bottom line is that we should stay as we are; just get better coaching which ALSO has nothing to do with conferences.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

once again moving the goal posts. We are getting the talent; the only area we really hae had trouble with is getting top QBs but we are getting pretty much all that we need elsewhere.

Bottom line is that joining a conference does nothing for Notre Dame.

We make plenty of money.

MF is showing that we can get the talent.

Frankly I doubt many players care all that much about conference championships now that we have playoffs and more.

and who gets more national exposure than Notre Dame on a yearly basis? If there are any its a short list.

Bottom line is that we should stay as we are; just get better coaching which ALSO has nothing to do with conferences.

We have the talent? Don't be ridiculous. How many 5* recruits have we had. There is a reason we get crushed in the biggest games .. because the other teams are loaded with 5* players, and it's not the QB. Stetson Bennett is far from elite, but everybody around him are.

 

[theskibro]

You can’t be an independent and average on the field and also stay relevant

There had to be one beyond dumb post after Stanford and this is it.