And Michigan has still done nothing since Harbaugh got there. Enjoy Walmart today.
ND has lost its appeal and will vacate all wins from
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The NCAA punishes with loss of rides, fines etc if the school knew, but if an ineligible player participated they nearly always forfeit wins. If this is all they do it is actually a sigh the ncaa found the school, as an entity, blameless.
You state this as fact, not a rumor you've heard, and without any link or reliable backup. And the majority of your posts are Irish related. Interesting.
By the way, I too heard a rumor from a Poster I trust - he says Michigan sucks. I'll try to find a link....
According to the Chicago Tribune article they have never vacated wins in this circumstance.
If the institution finds the players ineligible, not the NCAA, & reports it to the NCAA they have never vacated wins.
The NCAA actually has no clue if the kids cheated or not? ND told them so. ND could just say, "just kidding, it didn't happen" & the NCAA would have nothing.
See the difference? If the NCAA finds you ineligible than they vacate. But numerous times schools have reported that they found athletes ineligible (across all sports) & the NCAA has never vacated under those premises.
It sends a bad message to schools trying to do the right thing. Who is going to self report moving forward?
That was noted when ND filed its appeal. The punishment was unprecented for the offense.
That is the same that happened to FSU.
Students were given a cheat sheet for an on line music appreciation exam...FSU found out about it and reported it. Advisor was fired. 15 football players were held out of the game while investigation went on.
FSU had wins vacated and two years probation.
Notre Dame Football as we knew it is dead. Monk and Wadsworth did a tremendous job. And Jenkins and Swarbrick continue the legacy. Congratulations guys, job well done.
One big difference. The NCAA ruled the players ineligible, not FSU, after they themselves investigated. Thus vacated wins.
ND ruled the players ineligible themselves, not the NCAA. NCAA never investigated or found anything. This would be the first time a school vacated wins without the NCAA investigating & finding the players ineligible. Big difference.
BINGO!
I have no issue with the NCAA governing college sports. The issue is with the haphazard application of rules and penalties. There is literally no rhyme or reason to what the NCAA does. Just review the last 10 years and see the penalties imposed (and not imposed) by the NCAA for various infractions. It makes zero sense.
Slap penalties on ND because 5 players cheated on an exam/course? A problem we identified, corrected (none of them played for a year), and reported. Total joke. This is 100% an internal issue.
I have no issue with the NCAA governing college sports. The issue is with the haphazard application of rules and penalties. There is literally no rhyme or reason to what the NCAA does. Just review the last 10 years and see the penalties imposed (and not imposed) by the NCAA for various infractions. It makes zero sense.
Slap penalties on ND because 5 players cheated on an exam/course? A problem we identified, corrected (none of them played for a year), and reported. Total joke. This is 100% an internal issue.
..FSU, on their own, suspended 23 players before the Music City Bowl.....before the NCAA findings were in.
At least two Florida State football players already have been penalized for their involvement. Defensive end Kevin McNeil missed the season and wide receiver Joslin Shaw missed the first four games.
The university reported its findings in a letter to the NCAA in September after a six-month investigation by the school revealed at least 23 athletes in various sports were implicated for cheating on tests.
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Suspending players before the NCAA reveals their findings is not the same as the NCAA not knowing or ever knowing.
The NCAA knew & was also investigating. Regardless of what FSU turned in the NCAA was going to come to the same conclusion & vacate wins. FSU cooperating just lessened the punishment.
In ND's case the NCAA had zero idea & never would have. ND ruled it's players ineligible before even notifying the NCAA.
There is a reason the article above states this has NEVER happened before. And the NCAA has agreed that it hasn't. (Read the article).
So you are correct & the NCAA is wrong about what they've done?
To explain it in a way that most people understand (everyday law):
FSU:
If you get hammered & drive & a cop pulls you over & you tell him "I'm drunk, I admit it." He says yeah, that's why I pulled you over & I can see you are drunk. He still finishes his investigation & turns over his findings to the court. Now since you cooperated (even though they didn't need you too) they lower the charge & give you probation.
ND:
You get hammered, drive home. Sober up & two days later you walk into the police station & tell them you drove drunk. They didn't know or never would have known. But they arrest you (without investigating or having evidence against you other than your admission) & lower the charge & give you probation also.
PSU:
Same instance as first one, but you refuse the test, curse out the cop, take it to trial & lose. You go to jail.
FSU:
If you get hammered & drive & a cop pulls you over & you tell him "I'm drunk, I admit it." He says yeah, that's why I pulled you over & I can see you are drunk. He still finishes his investigation & turns over his findings to the court. Now since you cooperated (even though they didn't need you too) they lower the charge & give you probation.
ND:
You get hammered, drive home. Sober up & two days later you walk into the police station & tell them you drove drunk. They didn't know or never would have known. But they arrest you (without investigating or having evidence against you other than your admission) & lower the charge & give you probation also.
PSU:
Same instance as first one, but you refuse the test, curse out the cop, take it to trial & lose. You go to jail.
when is UNC going to finally get punished. hasn't it been reported that they were cheating as far back as the beginning of the 2000's
NCAA is supposed to make a ruling in August. It went on for 18 years. Hope they get hammered.
IMHO, the UNC situation is going to be decided by the courts, and it could take years. They are going to argue that the "problem" was internal to their academic structure, involved both athletes and non-athletes, and is thus not under the purview of the NCAA. The NCAA is obviously not going to agree.
This is what I'm hearing as well. This is part of the decision to join the Ivy League or Johns Hopkins route.
You might be right, however, I keep hearing that the NCAA is going to release their findings in Aug. UNC has been able to get this delayed, by one tactic or another, for quite some time. They have also spent 18 million in Legal fees so far. They might skate on the whole thing, but with any luck they might really get hammered . If this happens, Swofford should be forced to resign. All this started when he was AD there. This is info that I have read on one site or another. Hope it is accurate.
