More embarrassed with poster comments than team.

[ndhell]

I'm glad all you cooler head ND fans lead ND to victory today. Reality remains though. The reality is ND is still not close to the level of OSU or Alabama. Are they going to be able to get there ? I don't see it. Will a different DC make a huge difference ? Possibly.
What ND will not have is the type of athletes and depth of athletes across the board that OSU and Alabama have, and that is a big deal when football is a game of attrition.

Brian Kelly has done a better job than Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Cheeseburger.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Kelly beat all the teams he was supposed to beat this year. None of the losses could be considered an upset. Ten wins is not bad considering all the injuries. Gave both Clemson and Stanford major scares on the road.

Disappointing bowl loss but compare that to the disappointing years under Weis and Willingham.

 

[Telx1]

Of course Kelly has to be held to account. A ten win season and two plays short of undefeated, and records broken by several players. And, a defense that played poorly most the season. Kelly has to fix the defense, and I think a new DC is probably the best and quickest way to achieve this. If he sticks with BVG and we have yet another poor defense next year, then Kelly should be on the hot seat.

 

[Java65]

... at least we don't suck anymore.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

^^^. Moron!

THIS. He is a complete moron.

 

[HillRock86]

I'm not saying Kelly has not done a better job than Davie, et. al. But he can't win the big game. Admit it. When presented with golden opportunities to elevate ND back to elite status in his career, he has not done it. Clemson, Stanford and OSU this year. Alabama in 2012. Good recruiter. Good enough coach to clean up on the gimmes on the schedule, most of the time. Not good enough to put ND back at the elite level. Nothing against the man personally. Good coach but not a great coach. The great coaches hoist the national championship trophies or at least have their teams in the conversation every year or win the difference making games for their programs. He doesn't. If he was that coach, we ND fans would be mourning losing him because he would be in the NFL right now. I don't think ND has to worry about that anymore. I guess as a fan base, we should settle for 9-10 win seasons and an occasional second tier bowl win. That's what ND settles for anymore.

 

[Java65]

You comment as if the HC and the Team are separate entities. Who is the architech of the team? Who is the CEO of the team? Who is the decision maker for the team? And yet, he holds no accountability?
Questioning the leadership and performance off the results is a fair discussion.

The coaches are not responsible for anything bad.

 

[greengael]

I respectfully disagree with you greengael. Kizer has matured as a quarterback throughout the season. He played well today. Again why the excuses with the injuries, et. al. Every team has them. OSU lost Bosa early on and didn't miss a beat. MSU went to OSU without its starting quarterback, a likely high NFL draft choice, and beat OSU. Are you going to tell me that MSU has more talent than ND? I don't think the recruiting rankings would bear that out. I think they are better prepared by their coach. Some people on this board would scream heresy if you told them that Mark D'Antonio is a better coach than Brian Kelly, but I think he is hands down.

I don't think I put it all on Kizer, he has played admirably given the cards he was dealt. He did improve during the season but you can't expect a first year player to carry the load that the q.b position demands when he is playing from behind and is still developing his skill and mastery of the game. Remember he considered changing sports as recently as Fall camp. He will be much improved next year.

 

[greengael]

I'm not saying Kelly has not done a better job than Davie, et. al. But he can't win the big game. Admit it. When presented with golden opportunities to elevate ND back to elite status in his career, he has not done it. Clemson, Stanford and OSU this year. Alabama in 2012. Good recruiter. Good enough coach to clean up on the gimmes on the schedule, most of the time. Not good enough to put ND back at the elite level. Nothing against the man personally. Good coach but not a great coach. The great coaches hoist the national championship trophies or at least have their teams in the conversation every year or win the difference making games for their programs. He doesn't. If he was that coach, we ND fans would be mourning losing him because he would be in the NFL right now. I don't think ND has to worry about that anymore. I guess as a fan base, we should settle for 9-10 win seasons and an occasional second tier bowl win. That's what ND settles for anymore.

Not being able to win the "Big Game' was a charge leveled for years on Ara Parsegian.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I for one am struggling with the questions of, how good are we? Are we really in the national picture? I thought yes to both, but after today, I can't answer either.

 

[TimTerrific]

Kelly is a very good coach. The lack of football knowledge on this board is almost hard to believe.

 

[nsp29640]

Asshole alert from a guy who definitely didn't go to ND, if he went to college at all

Don't attack Mr. 8-4 that way!

 

[ivan brunetti]

I'm not saying Kelly has not done a better job than Davie, et. al. But he can't win the big game. Admit it. When presented with golden opportunities to elevate ND back to elite status in his career, he has not done it. Clemson, Stanford and OSU this year. Alabama in 2012. Good recruiter. Good enough coach to clean up on the gimmes on the schedule, most of the time. Not good enough to put ND back at the elite level. Nothing against the man personally. Good coach but not a great coach. The great coaches hoist the national championship trophies or at least have their teams in the conversation every year or win the difference making games for their programs. He doesn't. If he was that coach, we ND fans would be mourning losing him because he would be in the NFL right now. I don't think ND has to worry about that anymore. I guess as a fan base, we should settle for 9-10 win seasons and an occasional second tier bowl win. That's what ND settles for anymore.

Thumping Oklahoma to earn a slot in the NC game was certainly a "big game" win for Kelly. You guys have short memories.

 

[ndhell]

Kelly is a very good coach. The lack of football knowledge on this board is almost hard to believe.

He is a good coach, but not Great.

 

[Java65]

Thumping Oklahoma to earn a slot in the NC game was certainly a "big game" win for Kelly. You guys have short memories.

Looking back Kelly has 2 big wins. The OU win in '12 that you mentioned (they finished the season ranked 15th) and MSU in '11 (they finished 11th).

 

[HillRock86]

Thumping Oklahoma to earn a slot in the NC game was certainly a "big game" win for Kelly. You guys have short memories.

Wow, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes. One big game win in six years.

Could not beat Alabama in 12 or Clemson or Stanford or OSU this year. Never said Kelly was not a good football coach. He's not a great coach. And Kelly hired Van Gorder, the same guy everyone wants to fire. That's a Kelly hire. The recruits on the defensive side of the ball are Kelly recruits. If they lack on defense, Kelly is to blame as much as anyone. He is the head coach. At some point, some of you Kelly enablers are going to realize that and start holding him accountable. Can you imagine where ND would be if they had been able to win one or two of those games? Especially this year. Can't get it done when it counts. Good coach. Not great. If ND wants to see if he evolves into that kind of coach in years 7, 8 and 9, good for ND. I hope he does. Not sure he has what it takes to take ND to the next level. Reminds me of Mark Richt. Good coach at Georgia, but could not get it done when it counted. Now he's at Miami trying to pick up the pieces of that program.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Have no problem holding him accountable for the season they salvaged from what could or should have been a train wreck.

Yup

If someone had told all of us when Jarron Jones went down Bryant left school Folston was lost for year Zaire would break his ankle that we would be playing Ohio St in a major bowl after losing to two of the top five teams in the country by 2 points ea on the road some on this board would have suxed a horses dick for those results .

 

[Irishjohn68]

This ... Thank you. Cooler heads should always prevail. I think Kelly is our guy, but I do think our DC should be further evaluated. Nit because of today, rather 2 season long reasons. 1) we gotta be one of the worst tackling teams I've seen. Lot of broken arm tackles, meaning we are out of position. 2). We do not cause turnovers. 14 on the year is pedestrian at best. And BVG is suppose to coach an aggressive style

Agree.

 

[Telx1]

It was a very good year for ND football. Kelly and his staff did a really good job with the cards they were dealt. Very proud of the team and their play and their desire. Kelly has to step up and correct the defense if we are to go to the elite level.

 

[jimmer]

It was a very good year for ND football. Kelly and his staff did a really good job with the cards they were dealt. Very proud of the team and their play and their desire. Kelly has to step up and correct the defense if we are to go to the elite level.

It was a very good year for ND football. Kelly and his staff did a really good job with the cards they were dealt. Very proud of the team and their play and their desire. Kelly has to step up and correct the defense if we are to go to the elite level.

1. I agree,

 

[perseverare]

Kelly is a very good coach. The lack of football knowledge on this board is almost hard to believe.

And you are a mouth piece for him; we are the fans of ND

 

[DieHard_Irish]

^What school, if any, did you attend?

 

[BigFellaFan]

Perse,

You're a hateful know nothing who is certainly not a Notre Dame fan. Trying to act like one is an insult to Irish fans.

Kelly is a very good coach, but you're too stupid to see that. You belong with the many losers posting here today.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Wow, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes. One big game win in six years.

Could not beat Alabama in 12 or Clemson or Stanford or OSU this year. Never said Kelly was not a good football coach. He's not a great coach. And Kelly hired Van Gorder, the same guy everyone wants to fire. That's a Kelly hire. The recruits on the defensive side of the ball are Kelly recruits. If they lack on defense, Kelly is to blame as much as anyone. He is the head coach. At some point, some of you Kelly enablers are going to realize that and start holding him accountable. Can you imagine where ND would be if they had been able to win one or two of those games? Especially this year. Can't get it done when it counts. Good coach. Not great. If ND wants to see if he evolves into that kind of coach in years 7, 8 and 9, good for ND. I hope he does. Not sure he has what it takes to take ND to the next level. Reminds me of Mark Richt. Good coach at Georgia, but could not get it done when it counted. Now he's at Miami trying to pick up the pieces of that program.

Why would beating Ohio State in a bowl be a "big game" but beating Oklahoma on the road (I believe the Sooners were favored and top five at the time?) to get a shot at a NC not be a "big game"? Your definition seems to depend on whether ND wins or loses.

I will admit that ND hasn't won a major bowl in something like 20 years. But that isn't all Kelly's fault.

 

[perseverare]

a mid season game vs a bowl game on New Years are of the same magnitude to you?

 

[kellys heroes 35]

a mid season game vs a bowl game on New Years are of the same magnitude to you?

Happy New Year DB -- congrats on 25,000 you worthless asshole

 

[wiu86]

Asshole alert from a guy who definitely didn't go to ND, if he went to college at all

What difference does that make?

 

[cgvr]

Not being able to win the "Big Game' was a charge leveled for years on Ara Parsegian.

Spell his name correctly you disrespectful nitwit. Also, never ever include kelly in the same breath as him. It's disgraceful.

 

[ivan brunetti]

a mid season game vs a bowl game on New Years are of the same magnitude to you?

A mid season game that propels you into a NC final is probably bigger than a Fiesta bowl.

 

[perseverare]

then, no sense in discussing it more.

 

[Sock Monkey]

This year the Irish have lost to...

Clemson #1 in the nation all season, playing for the National title. Lost by 2 points on a failed two point conversion on the road.

Stanford who is currently destroying Iowa in the Rose bowl. Holding their star running back to a modest game. Lost by 2 on a last second field goal.

Ohio State the defending national champions.

Fact is they are playing the best ball to be seen by the Irish in a quarter of a century. So yes, let's fire Kelly.

 

[Java65]

This year the Irish have lost to...

Clemson #1 in the nation all season, playing for the National title. Lost by 2 points on a failed two point conversion on the road.

Stanford who is currently destroying Iowa in the Rose bowl. Holding their star running back to a modest game. Lost by 2 on a last second field goal.

Ohio State the defending national champions.

Fact is they are playing the best ball to be seen by the Irish in a quarter of a century. So yes, let's fire Kelly.

But who have they beat? Played 3 good/great teams and lost to them all.

 

[perseverare]

the most consistancy the Kelly teams display is not the play of the football team, but the team of Kelly messengers whose mission is to guard the forums.

They are consistant is deflecting the football discussions to incite bickering and create the illussion that there are just chronic dissatisfied ND fans who are just mal-contents instead of being actual ND fans!

We do have 2 sets of fans on this forum and 1 group is the true ND fan (includes those who see pro or cons of where we are today) the other group is a lie who stir divisivness in attempt to distort and censure.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

the most consistancy the Kelly teams display is not the play of the football team, but the team of Kelly messengers who mission is to guard the forums.

They are consistant is deflecting the football discussions to incite bickering and create the illussion that there are just chronic dissatisfied ND fans who are just mal-contents instead of being actual ND fans!

We do have 2 sets of fans on this forum and 1 group is the true ND fan (incules those who see pro or cons of where we are today) the other group is a lie who stir divisivness in attempt to distort and censure.

Yeah? and which one are you?

 

[ivan brunetti]

This year the Irish have lost to...

Clemson #1 in the nation all season, playing for the National title. Lost by 2 points on a failed two point conversion on the road.

Stanford who is currently destroying Iowa in the Rose bowl. Holding their star running back to a modest game. Lost by 2 on a last second field goal.

Ohio State the defending national champions.

Fact is they are playing the best ball to be seen by the Irish in a quarter of a century. So yes, let's fire Kelly.

I agree with your general point, that Kelly has done a good job this year. But it is weird that your losses are more impressive than your wins. Navy will likely be your only win over a ranked team.

 

[Telx1]

Perse, you always make reference to Kelly having control over some of the posters on this board, and their mission to stifle discussion and dissent. I've asked before with no reply, so I'll ask again. What facts do you have that support this grand conspiracy?

 

[vivalas]

Good lord, this is a top 10 team, our 3 losses are against top 4 teams. Two of them in the last minute and depleted against osu....use your heads people

 

[hoopsstar12]

OSU was depleted too and also with controversy surrounding key players. They whipped us and they were not at full strength either.

 

[Pennick4]

Who are you talking to?

probably himself. He talks out of his backside.

 

[cgvr]

Looking back Kelly has 2 big wins. The OU win in '12 that you mentioned (they finished the season ranked 15th) and MSU in '11 (they finished 11th).

Stanford finished #7 in '12....