michgian men, the cheating way............

[Patrirish]

I see you are going with the JoePa defensive strategy again.

You emphatically stated several times that you can’t believe the other coaches were involved. Yet Stalions is quite engaged all game on both sides of the ball and standing immediately beside OC, DC, and Harbaugh. And holding a laminated set of hand signal diagrams. But sure, you can’t suspect anything ….lol

My strategy is simple, get all of the facts before drawing conclusions.

And that’s not what I stated

I don’t think there’s grounds for suspicion if that’s SOP for a staffer holding Stalion’s position.

The questions I posed, which you’re to obtuse to comprehend, are as follows.

Did Stalion act solely on his own, or did he act as directed by a superior staff member on the football team ?

If he acted on his own, what were the football staff’s reporting obligation to the administration when the football staff came into receipt of the information he supplied ?

 

[Patrirish]

Yet those coaches had laminated pages of info, and Stalions would switch places during the game, depending on whether Mich was on offense and defense. Circumstantial but compelling. No way the coaches weren’t aware, he had to expend a lot of money traveling

And if Stalions acted solely on his own, then what ?

 

[ivan brunetti]

And if Stalions acted solely on his own, then what ?

Michigan will still get hit, because he was their (our) employee. Probably with a hefty fine, & some sort of probation.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

If that’s a staffers normal job why would it raise suspicions

You didn't bother to read my posts before and started saying I was making conclusions when I clearly stated otherwise. Not gonna engage with that.

 

[rrdd2021]

Michigan is done the Ncaa is going after them hard after Jim lied to there faces. I would say he leaves after this year and Michigan gets post season ban.

Yep, just one thing after another. Just a bunch of scumbags.

 

[Patrirish]

Only partly matters who directed him to do it. If he has their signals laminated ahead of time it is pretty close to conclusive that he did have people film at previous games and figured them out. Then he’s on the sideline with possibly damning evidence in his hand and others are calling plays that he calls out.
The head coach, according to NCAA rules, is responsible for actions of staff, even if he didn’t know they were doing it.
This looks like he probably did know given the actions in that clip.
Lack of control would probably be a term the NCAA uses in dealing with harbaugh/Michigan.
Dunbar paid to hear a speech or something and was deemed a booster and got ND in a lot of trouble.
This guy is on the payroll.
Not a good look.

Would you cite the NCAA rule that states that the coach is responsible for the off field actions of his staff..

Would you also cite the rule where an individual is prohibited from scouting a team.

The Dunbar incident would seem to be an overreach and an abuse of power by the NCAA

 

[deadirishpoet]

Sources: U-M staffer bought tickets at 11 schools

Suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions, who is at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, multiple sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.

Just a matter of time before michgan has to forfeit wins, and Harbaugh and the AD will resign or be fired.

I'm sure everyone does it one way, or another their guy just got caught
Hell, not to long ago it was legal and a form of gamesmanship
Rick Neuheisel spoke about it for an hour or so on Full Ride Surius XM a week, or two ago

 

[deadirishpoet]

Would you cite the NCAA rule that states that the coach is responsible for the off field actions of his staff..

Would you also cite the rule where an individual is prohibited from scouting a team.

The Dunbar incident would seem to be an overreach and an abuse of power by the NCAA

Your first paragraph is exactly what Rick Neuheisel said did you listen to his program?

 

[ivan brunetti]

I'm sure everyone does it one way, or another their guy just got caught
Hell, not to long ago it was legal and a form of gamesmanship
Rick Neuheisel spoke about it for an hour or so on Full Ride Surius XM a wee, or two ago

Stalions is definitely guilty. I don't buy that any coaches or athletic department personnel knew what he was doing, because it was such a clumsy operation. So I don't think this will result in any sort of post season ban. Probably a seven figure fine.

 

[Patrirish]

Your first paragraph is exactly what Rick Neuheisel said did you listen to his program?

No, I didn’t, what did he say ?

Did Stalions electronically record any signals from opposing teams ?

Harbaugh has denied any knowledge of Stalions scouting/stealing signals, which would seem to indicate that Stalions didn’t inform Harbaugh on the sidelines during any of the games ……. or, Harbaugh is lying ……. which would end his tenure at Michigan. So why would he risk that ?

I don’t know all of the facts so rather than rush to judgement like so many others I’ll wait until the pertinent facts are revealed.

 

[BGI User 756]

And if Stalions acted solely on his own, then what ?

You have difficulty with associative thought.

The likelihood that Stalions purchased all those game tickets on his $55k salary is very low. When coupled with his in game behaviors, the likelihood that it is a singular operation is minuscule.

Stalions is already suspended pending termination so his fate is easily sealed

 

[BGI User 756]

Stalions is definitely guilty. I don't buy that any coaches or athletic department personnel knew what he was doing, because it was such a clumsy operation. So I don't think this will result in any sort of post season ban. Probably a seven figure fine.

How was it clumsy? Love to hear this

 

[deadirishpoet]

No, I didn’t, what did he say ?

Did Stalions electronically record any signals from opposing teams ?

Harbaugh has denied any knowledge of Stalions scouting/stealing signals, which would seem to indicate that Stalions didn’t inform Harbaugh on the sidelines during any of the games ……. or, Harbaugh is lying ……. which would end his tenure at Michigan. So why would he risk that ?

I don’t know all of the facts so rather than rush to judgement like so many others I’ll wait until the pertinent facts are revealed.

RN said yes Stallons was doing this as a private citizen, and not an employee. Both his parents have ties to Michigan but I believe he took a different path to the UNMC.
I'll go into the archives and try to find the comments

 

[deadirishpoet]

You have difficulty with associative thought.

The likelihood that Stalions purchased all those game tickets on his $55k salary is very low. When coupled with his in game behaviors, the likelihood that it is a singular operation is minuscule.

Stalions is already suspended pending termination so his fate is easily sealed

With his family connections to Michigan that's not hard to believe

 

[deadirishpoet]

How was it clumsy? Love to hear this

I think is was because Stallons was becoming very visible at the practices and with certain coaches, but not with JH according to Rick Neuheisel.
RN also said it would be difficult to believe that JH was not aware of him being around

 

[Golson5]

Stalions is definitely guilty. I don't buy that any coaches or athletic department personnel knew what he was doing, because it was such a clumsy operation. So I don't think this will result in any sort of post season ban. Probably a seven figure fine.

Lol

 

[ohio1980]

Stalions is definitely guilty. I don't buy that any coaches or athletic department personnel knew what he was doing, because it was such a clumsy operation. So I don't think this will result in any sort of post season ban. Probably a seven figure fine.

OMG, you're kidding with this comment right, none of the coaches knew? Yes, he was just hanging out on the sidelines next to the coaches with a chart giving them info., but they did know(coaches)?

 

[Tru2Irish]

Yes. It's stated in the article. The question is can the NCAA prove he delivered stolen signs and Michigan used it to their advantage?

If it is proven that he filmed on cell phone or otherwise and if it is against teams that Michigan played that would be to their advantage. The hard part is determining that Michigan paid for him to be at those games while filming the signs. He was documented as taping them probably by security.

 

[Telx1]

I dislike Michigan only second to USC, but I think this is a stupid silly exploration by the NCAA because they’re peeved at Harbaugh for giving then the finger over their negotiated three game suspension for a different violation. As I understand it, the rule against IN PERSON GAME ATTENDANCE sign stealing was instituted as a cost saving move by the NCAA several years ago. Attempted Sign stealing is a long-standing tradition of gamesmanship (cheating on the edges), and despite this prohibition of attending other teams’ games, every team has video access to every other teams games, and plenty of opportunity to study and try to steal signs. I don’t see this as anything other than a fine for breaking a silly rule.

The idea that the higher ups had knowledge of this seems equally silly, as the absence of one of your assistants at 30 plus Michigan games while he was attending opposition games would certainly be noticed.

At any rate, I hardly see this as a cheating scandal that warrants any kind of game forfeiture or disqualification from post season play. Just a petty move by a petty organization (NCAA) that I detest for their selective and arbitrary enforcement activities.

 

[ohio1980]

I dislike Michigan only second to USC, but I think this is a stupid silly exploration by the NCAA because they’re peeved at Harbaugh for giving then the finger over their negotiated three game suspension for a different violation. As I understand it, the rule against IN PERSON GAME ATTENDANCE sign stealing was instituted as a cost saving move by the NCAA several years ago. Attempted Sign stealing is a long-standing tradition of gamesmanship (cheating on the edges), and despite this prohibition of attending other teams’ games, every team has video access to every other teams games, and plenty of opportunity to study and try to steal signs. I don’t see this as anything other than a fine for breaking a silly rule.

The idea that the higher ups had knowledge of this seems equally silly, as the absence of one of your assistants at 30 plus Michigan games while he was attending opposition games would certainly be noticed.

At any rate, I hardly see this as a cheating scandal that warrants any kind of game forfeiture or disqualification from post season play. Just a petty move by a petty organization (NCAA) that I detest for their selective and arbitrary enforcement activities.

So cheating is ok by you, got it!
It's just silly by you, got it!
LOL

 

[deadirishpoet]

So cheating is ok by you, got it!
It's just silly by you, got it!
LOL

This wasn't cheating not ao long ago

 

[Golson5]

I dislike Michigan only second to USC, but I think this is a stupid silly exploration by the NCAA because they’re peeved at Harbaugh for giving then the finger over their negotiated three game suspension for a different violation. As I understand it, the rule against IN PERSON GAME ATTENDANCE sign stealing was instituted as a cost saving move by the NCAA several years ago. Attempted Sign stealing is a long-standing tradition of gamesmanship (cheating on the edges), and despite this prohibition of attending other teams’ games, every team has video access to every other teams games, and plenty of opportunity to study and try to steal signs. I don’t see this as anything other than a fine for breaking a silly rule.

The idea that the higher ups had knowledge of this seems equally silly, as the absence of one of your assistants at 30 plus Michigan games while he was attending opposition games would certainly be noticed.

At any rate, I hardly see this as a cheating scandal that warrants any kind of game forfeiture or disqualification from post season play. Just a petty move by a petty organization (NCAA) that I detest for their selective and arbitrary enforcement activities.

The way they did it is absolutely cheating.

And it went beyond the old gamesmanship methods

This is similar to the Houston Astros

 

[NDblitz]

OMG, you're kidding with this comment right, none of the coaches knew? Yes, he was just hanging out on the sidelines next to the coaches with a chart giving them info., but they did know(coaches)?

He is literally two people away from Harbaugh in one picture.

And.... anyone else notice that Michigan's worst year was when nobody was allowed in a stadium.

 

[NDblitz]

This wasn't cheating not ao long ago

30 years.

 

[NDblitz]

NCAA rules prohibit in-person scouting of opponents on the current season's schedule. Michigan plays virtually the same Big 10 schedule every year. There is supposedly in-stadium surveillance tape that shows Stalions at some of the games filming.

An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game

 

[BGI User 756]

With his family connections to Michigan that's not hard to believe

It is for me.

These guys spend 80 hours per week together during the season. Hard for me to accept any notion that the coaches were not aware of his expense account, or curious about the info he delivered upon, or unaware of his position on the sideline during games directly beside the OC when Mich had the ball and directly beside the DC when the opponent was on offense, and his responsibility for calling in signals for same.

 

[NDblitz]

One more reason why theyre in deep shit!

"I do not have any knowledge or information regarding the University of Michigan football program illegally stealing signals, nor have I directed staff members or others to participate in an off-campus scouting assignment. I have no awareness of anyone on our staff having done that or having directed that action. I do not condone or tolerate anyone doing anything illegal or against the NCAA rules. No matter what program or organization that I have led throughout my career, my instructions and awareness of how we scout opponents have always been firmly within the rules."

— Jim Harbaugh on allegations made against him and the Wolverines program

 

[BGI User 756]

I dislike Michigan only second to USC, but I think this is a stupid silly exploration by the NCAA because they’re peeved at Harbaugh for giving then the finger over their negotiated three game suspension for a different violation. As I understand it, the rule against IN PERSON GAME ATTENDANCE sign stealing was instituted as a cost saving move by the NCAA several years ago. Attempted Sign stealing is a long-standing tradition of gamesmanship (cheating on the edges), and despite this prohibition of attending other teams’ games, every team has video access to every other teams games, and plenty of opportunity to study and try to steal signs. I don’t see this as anything other than a fine for breaking a silly rule.

The idea that the higher ups had knowledge of this seems equally silly, as the absence of one of your assistants at 30 plus Michigan games while he was attending opposition games would certainly be noticed.

At any rate, I hardly see this as a cheating scandal that warrants any kind of game forfeiture or disqualification from post season play. Just a petty move by a petty organization (NCAA) that I detest for their selective and arbitrary enforcement activities.

This is different. A whole lot of coaches are pissed

 

[NDblitz]

Stalions allegedly bought tickets to last weekend's Penn State - Ohio State game in Columbus, but the tickets went unused as Stalions was outed and identified on Friday as the alleged culprit. He allegedly bought tickets on both sides of the field so he would have access to both teams sidelines. Michigan plays both teams in the coming weeks.

 

[BGI User 756]

OMG, you're kidding with this comment right, none of the coaches knew? Yes, he was just hanging out on the sidelines next to the coaches with a chart giving them info., but they did know(coaches)?

Same guy not believing that millions of illegals immigrants have entered the US through the southern border

 

[ivan brunetti]

OMG, you're kidding with this comment right, none of the coaches knew? Yes, he was just hanging out on the sidelines next to the coaches with a chart giving them info., but they did know(coaches)?

Because coaches wouldn't risk their jobs on such an amateurish breaking of the rules. Unless you think buying tickets in your own name is some sort of sophisticated plot that must have been directed from guys earning $1 million plus per year.

Cover3 (a UNC, an Illinois, and two FSU guys) weigh in. Main take aways: A) Michigan is guilty, & B) punishment is likely to be minimal.

 

[NDblitz]

So a guy gets paid 55,000 to be an analyst and just disappears every weekend? I want that job.

 

[Golson5]

Because coaches wouldn't risk their jobs on such an amateurish breaking of the rules. Unless you think buying tickets in your own name is some sort of sophisticated plot that must have been directed from guys earning $1 million plus per year.

Yes they would. The Patriots did it. The astros did it. Players cheat with steroids

It's not hard to fathom in the least

 

[deadirishpoet]

30 years.

And your point?

 

[NDblitz]

And your point?

Thats not "not so long ago"

 

[deadirishpoet]

Thats not "not so long ago"

My bad brother I meant that for a different post lol....sorry, but the intal post was something I was repeating what Rick Neuheisel said

 

[Patrirish]

You have difficulty with associative thought.

The likelihood that Stalions purchased all those game tickets on his $55k salary is very low. When coupled with his in game behaviors, the likelihood that it is a singular operation is minuscule.

Stalions is already suspended pending termination so his fate is easily sealed

“Likelihood” ?

“Likelihood“ is irrelevant !

If four other students and/or parties unrelated to UM chipped in for the tickets ….. so what ?

The critical factor is whether anyone officially connected with UM’s administration was involved, that would dramatically change the circumstances.

But if Stalion and friends unrelated in any official capacity with UM bought the tickets, there is no violation !

 

[Patrirish]

You have difficulty with associative thought.

The likelihood that Stalions purchased all those game tickets on his $55k salary is very low. When coupled with his in game behaviors, the likelihood that it is a singular operation is minuscule.

Stalions is already suspended pending termination so his fate is easily sealed

So being suspended automatically conveys guilt ?

Interesting concept !

Keep your day job !

OUCH !

 

[Patrirish]

I dislike Michigan only second to USC, but I think this is a stupid silly exploration by the NCAA because they’re peeved at Harbaugh for giving then the finger over their negotiated three game suspension for a different violation. As I understand it, the rule against IN PERSON GAME ATTENDANCE sign stealing was instituted as a cost saving move by the NCAA several years ago. Attempted Sign stealing is a long-standing tradition of gamesmanship (cheating on the edges), and despite this prohibition of attending other teams’ games, every team has video access to every other teams games, and plenty of opportunity to study and try to steal signs. I don’t see this as anything other than a fine for breaking a silly rule.

The idea that the higher ups had knowledge of this seems equally silly, as the absence of one of your assistants at 30 plus Michigan games while he was attending opposition games would certainly be noticed.

At any rate, I hardly see this as a cheating scandal that warrants any kind of game forfeiture or disqualification from post season play. Just a petty move by a petty organization (NCAA) that I detest for their selective and arbitrary enforcement activities.

I tend to agree.

Question: Is Stalion’s family a family of means ?

 

[Patrirish]

So a guy gets paid 55,000 to be an analyst and just disappears every weekend? I want that job.

Maybe he comes from a family of means …… that always helps ! 😜