It's coming...maybe sooner than later.

[88ND]

It's almost happened tonight against Louisville but mark my words there will come a game when we will have to score 35 or more points to win and we can't do it running the ball.

Just one of those games when we can't stop anyone and we have to pass because they're selling out against the run.

I thought early on this might be the game and then turnovers happened and we got a broken coverage touchdown that Riley threw with all his might. He double chicken hopped and heaved that thing a whopping 34 yards or around that for a score.
At least he got everything into that one. LOL

Riley is a bad QB and MF better be willing to have a quick hook because we are not riding two tailbacks in the backfield, one also taking shotgun snaps, to the playoffs.

 

[Irish_inPSU]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

 

[Golson5]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

Fsu might be the worst team left on our schedule

 

[echowaker]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

FSU is awful.

 

[ftnfan62]

I'm not sure Montana could do that with this line. The dude is running for his life and you have to keep people in for max protect. You also have exactly ZERO receivers that can get lose, outside of Faison. While i do agree RL is an A+ runner and a C passer, there is a definite talent / injury needs on this offense. We just dont have those WR's like bama or ga that can turn a 5 yard hook into "to the house"

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

FSU has 1 win against Cal and just lost to SMU. It ND allows 30 points against FSU, at home in cold November after 2 weeks of preparation, ND has bigger problems.

 

[88ND]

Fsu might be the worst team left on our schedule

FSU is awful.

15
14
23
24

These are the opponents scores against...
NIU.

Notice the 14 points? Yeah... that's what we scored against NIU. The lowest total by any team against NIU
The now 2-2 NIU.

Don't underestimate any team on our schedule this year with our anemic offense. FSU is bad but we definitely have the capability to be worse than them.
we will see....

 

[savvyandsassier]

FSU is awful.

I know. Of all the teams on the schedule. They have the name, of course. And they should have been in the old 4 team playoff as recently as a year ago. But my how their fortunes have changed. I think old boy's gone too, if they don't make it to 6-6. You can't be going 3-9 in like, year five, at a place FSU who should be getting a 1st round playoff bye every year coming out of the ACC. And yet as of today they could possibly be ND's easiest remaining opponent.

 

[savvyandsassier]

15
14
23
24

These are the opponents scores against...
NIU.

Notice the 14 points? Yeah... that's what we scored against NIU. The lowest total by any team against NIU
The now 2-2 NIU.

Don't underestimate any team on our schedule this year with our anemic offense. FSU is bad but we definitely have the capability to be worse than them.
we will see....

Yeah, so what you're saying is we suck so bad, our offense is so unreliable that we could lose and struggle to score against anyone. Even a team as ahitty as FSU. So every game is a potential loss. Fair enough....

 

[88ND]

I'm not sure Montana could do that with this line. The dude is running for his life and you have to keep people in for max protect. You also have exactly ZERO receivers that can get lose, outside of Faison. While i do agree RL is an A+ runner and a C passer, there is a definite talent / injury needs on this offense. We just dont have those WR's like bama or ga that can turn a 5 yard hook into "to the house"

Did they fire the WR coach yet?

A lot of what you say you can't put the cement on that...
Because our WR/head coach sucks.

Countless times Riley bails on the pocket...(too early most instances)
He takes off running and there are all the receivers standing around. Literally standing there.

Nobody breaks off the route and comes bsck to help Riley nor break off the route and slip behind the defense.

Riley doesn't have the arm to get them the ball regardless but God damn it you have to try.

Standing around, standing around.

Angeli can get them the ball.
He actually has an NFL arm.
BUT....
He doesn't have NIL and NIL sets the depth chart around these here parts.

1.1 million and can't throw the ball as good as you, Echowaker and Golson5*

*Golson5 would have to use a nerf 🤣

 

[Golson5]

15
14
23
24

These are the opponents scores against...
NIU.

Notice the 14 points? Yeah... that's what we scored against NIU. The lowest total by any team against NIU
The now 2-2 NIU.

Don't underestimate any team on our schedule this year with our anemic offense. FSU is bad but we definitely have the capability to be worse than them.
we will see....

We won't be in a shootout with FSU. If they have a chance it will be in a low scoring affair

 

[Golson5]

Did they fire the WR coach yet?

A lot of what you say you can't put the cement on that...
Because our WR/head coach sucks.

Countless times Riley bails on the pocket...(too early most instances)
He takes off running and there are all the receivers standing around. Literally standing there.

Nobody breaks off the route and comes bsck to help Riley nor break off the route and slip behind the defense.

Riley doesn't have the arm to get them the ball regardless but God damn it you have to try.

Standing around, standing around.

Angeli can get them the ball.
He actually has an NFL arm.
BUT....
He doesn't have NIL and NIL sets the depth chart around these here parts.

1.1 million and can't throw the ball as good as you, Echowaker and Golson5*

*Golson5 would have to use a nerf 🤣

Rileys arm is stronger than Angeli. Angeli is more accurate but he doesn't have the arm strength of the other 3 QBs on the roster

 

[buckey]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

Don’t forget army and navy

 

[NDblitz]

Did they fire the WR coach yet?

A lot of what you say you can't put the cement on that...
Because our WR/head coach sucks.

Countless times Riley bails on the pocket...(too early most instances)
He takes off running and there are all the receivers standing around. Literally standing there.

Nobody breaks off the route and comes bsck to help Riley nor break off the route and slip behind the defense.

Riley doesn't have the arm to get them the ball regardless but God damn it you have to try.

Standing around, standing around.

Angeli can get them the ball.
He actually has an NFL arm.
BUT....
He doesn't have NIL and NIL sets the depth chart around these here parts.

1.1 million and can't throw the ball as good as you, Echowaker and Golson5*

*Golson5 would have to use a nerf 🤣

Riley literally got teed off on during a quick screen. The Left side of the OL is porous

 

[ftnfan62]

Did they fire the WR coach yet?

A lot of what you say you can't put the cement on that...
Because our WR/head coach sucks.

Countless times Riley bails on the pocket...(too early most instances)
He takes off running and there are all the receivers standing around. Literally standing there.

Nobody breaks off the route and comes bsck to help Riley nor break off the route and slip behind the defense.

Riley doesn't have the arm to get them the ball regardless but God damn it you have to try.

Standing around, standing around.

Angeli can get them the ball.
He actually has an NFL arm.
BUT....
He doesn't have NIL and NIL sets the depth chart around these here parts.

1.1 million and can't throw the ball as good as you, Echowaker and Golson5*

*Golson5 would have to use a nerf 🤣

RL is probably a bit of really not playing for a full year, practicing mainly in fall camp. He seems like a gamer, i like him. I think he could get them the ball. I cant say i know his arm strenght, but he is a huge kid so I'm guessing he can sling it if needed. I agree with you completely on the WR. So many just put their hand up and jog in place.......something isnt right.

 

[Pennick4]

FSU is awful.

Yeah...they have already packed it in.

 

[88ND]

Rileys arm is stronger than Angeli. Angeli is more accurate but he doesn't have the arm strength of the other 3 QBs on the roster

You have no idea what you're talking about.
Remember just because you read something doesn't make it so.

What you see is Angeli having touch with his throws. Therefore you think he's a weaker arm than Riley.

Allow me to show you two examples. Riley has about 38 yards if he chicken hops and gives it the heave-ho.
That's it.
Maybe 42 with shorts and tank.

Angeli had a bail out against Purdue...did a waggle to the right and he rifled the ball on the run. It was a laser. The pop on the receiver hands was massive on the TV.
We haven't heard that pop since Kizer.
Oh yeah...it was on the money as well.

It was dropped because the receiver was expecting the Riley velocity and it surprised him.

I know you think Riley is a 1st round draft pick and Brian Kelly will still take our beloved to the top but I don't.
Riley is NOT a Sunday QB...Brian Kelly is still looking for his top 5 victory in a non covid year at Notre Dame. That ship has sailed.

 

[88ND]

RL is probably a bit of really not playing for a full year, practicing mainly in fall camp. He seems like a gamer, i like him. I think he could get them the ball. I cant say i know his arm strenght, but he is a huge kid so I'm guessing he can sling it if needed. I agree with you completely on the WR. So many just put their hand up and jog in place.......something isnt right.

Watch the NIU throw.

That was 37-39 yards.
He hopped into it, launched the ball...

What happened?

It was insanely under thrown and intercepted.

it's not a mystery after 4 games we've taken exactly one deep passing attempt.

O
N
E

We don't even try them because he can't throw it to our guy or overthrow it.
He can't overthrow anything.

Tough runner...but he's just simply a single threat one dimensional QB. He can run.
He's a terrible passer.

 

[88ND]

Riley literally got teed off on during a quick screen. The Left side of the OL is porous

What's that have to do with the receivers standing around when Riley is in escape mode?

Our WR coach needs fired yesterday

 

[NDblitz]

Ummm nothing coach

 

[NDblitz]

But what it does have to do with is the fact that steve angelli been sacked 3 times this year to Riley Leonard’s 5.

 

[Golson5]

You have no idea what you're talking about.
Remember just because you read something doesn't make it so.

What you see is Angeli having touch with his throws. Therefore you think he's a weaker arm than Riley.

Allow me to show you two examples. Riley has about 38 yards if he chicken hops and gives it the heave-ho.
That's it.
Maybe 42 with shorts and tank.

Angeli had a bail out against Purdue...did a waggle to the right and he rifled the ball on the run. It was a laser. The pop on the receiver hands was massive on the TV.
We haven't heard that pop since Kizer.
Oh yeah...it was on the money as well.

It was dropped because the receiver was expecting the Riley velocity and it surprised him.

I know you think Riley is a 1st round draft pick and Brian Kelly will still take our beloved to the top but I don't.
Riley is NOT a Sunday QB...Brian Kelly is still looking for his top 5 victory in a non covid year at Notre Dame. That ship has sailed.

RL threw a TD pass to Collins that was about 46 yards in the air with little to no effort. You're clueless

RL has a stronger arm than Angeli. Although Angeli is accurate, he has the weakest arm on the team.

Wimbush had a stronger arm than Kizer so your pop argument, come on. Just dumb

 

[Golson5]

Little to no effort. About 46 in the air

 

[Golson5]

His TD to Greathouse was about 42 43 yards in the air and he barely put anything into it

You can get on him about his accuracy or lack of wanting to throw the deep ball (OL) but his arm is more than fine.

 

[notredame79]

With all the talk about NIL $ setting the depth chart, has anyone seen any NIL deposits in anyone’s account???

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

100%. FSU is going to be rough, but I don't know enough about them to make a case that they'll be able to score a lot of points yet. I think its going to come at the end of the year against USC, which always seems to be the case when we play them.

Hopefully DJ U will earn the starting job back before the ND game. Al Golden will have his head spinning.

He was benched so likely not getting the job back after his finger heals.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

RL threw a TD pass to Collins that was about 46 yards in the air with little to no effort. You're clueless

RL has a stronger arm than Angeli. Although Angeli is accurate, he has the weakest arm on the team.

Wimbush had a stronger arm than Kizer so your pop argument, come on. Just dumb

Correct; arm strength isn't the issue it's seeing the defensive picture and trusting your gut and pulling the trigger as well as accuracy on awkward short throws(layups).

His legs have allowed him to not have to be a field general and process info quickly throughout his entire career.

 

[88ND]

His TD to Greathouse was about 42 43 yards in the air and he barely put anything into it

You can get on him about his accuracy or lack of wanting to throw the deep ball (OL) but his arm is more than fine.

His arm is weak.
He's extremely inaccurate.

And...

Let me ask you...

Who told you he was a first rounder? I'd like to know because you only regurgitate stuff you hear, read on ESPN, or dreamed up.

Either way he's not a 1st rounder.
He's not a Sunday QB no matter who told you, talking heads or the little the voice in yours.

 

[88ND]

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Little to no effort. About 46 in the air

Here you go... @ the 1:41 mark
With A LOT OF EFFORT....
as in double chicken hop...stepped into the throw ...and he launched that ball from his own 42 to NIU's 18 yard line.
A WHOPPING 40 YARDS.

 

[echowaker]

Rileys arm is stronger than Angeli. Angeli is more accurate but he doesn't have the arm strength of the other 3 QBs on the roster

And you take away the read option, a strength of the offense.

 

[Chitown11]

Rileys arm is stronger than Angeli. Angeli is more accurate but he doesn't have the arm strength of the other 3 QBs on the roster

Clueless, RL arm is weak as hell and not very accurate. Bad bad bad analysis Mel!

 

[echowaker]

His arm is weak.
He's extremely inaccurate.

And...

Let me ask you...

Who told you he was a first rounder? I'd like to know because you only regurgitate stuff you hear, read on ESPN, or dreamed up.

Either way he's not a 1st rounder.
He's not a Sunday QB no matter who told you, talking heads or the little the voice in yours.

He has a strong arm but is a thrower not a passer like Angeli. That said Angelis lack of mobility behind an o line that struggles in pass protection is a bad mix. Give me the less accurate thrower who runs the read option pretty well behind a o line that is much better equipped in the run game right now. Leonard just needs to be competent throwing the ball. He'll never be a great passer.

 

[Chitown11]

His arm is weak.
He's extremely inaccurate.

And...

Let me ask you...

Who told you he was a first rounder? I'd like to know because you only regurgitate stuff you hear, read on ESPN, or dreamed up.

Either way he's not a 1st rounder.
He's not a Sunday QB no matter who told you, talking heads or the little the voice in yours.

Probably Driskell, thats where he regurgitates most of his stuff

 

[Golson5]

His arm is weak.
He's extremely inaccurate.

And...

Let me ask you...

Who told you he was a first rounder? I'd like to know because you only regurgitate stuff you hear, read on ESPN, or dreamed up.

Either way he's not a 1st rounder.
He's not a Sunday QB no matter who told you, talking heads or the little the voice in yours.

Never said he was a first rounder. Said he was a first rd talent

But multiple sites and evaluators had him mocked or on their big board in the first or 2nd round. It's all documented on this site

His arm isn't weak. That's a weak argument

 

[Golson5]

Here you go... @ the 1:41 mark
With A LOT OF EFFORT....
as in double chicken hop...stepped into the throw ...and he launched that ball from his own 42 to NIU's 18 yard line.
A WHOPPING 40 YARDS.

View embedded media

Already put on a video of him throwing 46 with little to no effort. Just a dumb argument. Bad throw. Had nothing to do with arm strength

 

[Golson5]

Clueless, RL arm is weak as hell and not very accurate. Bad bad bad analysis Mel!

Yeah you're wrong. Just a lazy analysis by you. Arm strength for him isn't an issue

 

[Irish_inPSU]

He has a strong arm but is a thrower not a passer like Angeli. That said Angelis lack of mobility behind an o line that struggles in pass protection is a bad mix. Give me the less accurate thrower who runs the read option pretty well behind a o line that is much better equipped in the run game right now. Leonard just needs to be competent throwing the ball. He'll never be a great passer.

You know thats a valid argument to keep Leonard under center. But if I am being honest, Leonard's ceiling has already been on display, we all know who and what he is, for better or worse and I don't feel he's capable of matcing score for score in the event we wind up in a shoot out, which I believe is coming this season.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You know thats a valid argument to keep Leonard under center. But if I am being honest, Leonard's ceiling has already been on display, we all know who and what he is, for better or worse and I don't feel he's capable of matcing score for score in the event we wind up in a shoot out, which I believe is coming this season.

Right, the formula for success is shrewd and effective play calling that very much caters to RL's strengths and weaknesses, to generate enough offense and get and maintain a lead. And then essentially for the defense to win the game for us, and avoid shootouts. And with all these injuries I'm not sure we can count on that. But the schedule is easy.

 

[Golson5]

You know thats a valid argument to keep Leonard under center. But if I am being honest, Leonard's ceiling has already been on display, we all know who and what he is, for better or worse and I don't feel he's capable of matcing score for score in the event we wind up in a shoot out, which I believe is coming this season.

RLs ceiling nor the offenses ceiling has been on display yet

 

[Get Nasty]

I'm not sure Montana could do that with this line. The dude is running for his life and you have to keep people in for max protect. You also have exactly ZERO receivers that can get lose, outside of Faison. While i do agree RL is an A+ runner and a C passer, there is a definite talent / injury needs on this offense. We just dont have those WR's like bama or ga that can turn a 5 yard hook into "to the house"

The line isn't playing as bad as you think. Yes they had a bad second quarter after Louisville adjusted. But they played good the second half in pass pro vs Louisville. Riley had plenty of time, but we were leading so he went very conservative on top of denbrocks conservative play calling. There were plays to be had, he only took them if they were absolutely wide open.