Is it fair to the QB's......
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huh ? very few if any job is won in spring practice.
The staff needs to have the best interests of the "TEAM" as their priority not the playing time aspirations of any particular player. The only thing the players have been promised is the opportunity to compete for playing time .As we saw last year, the players have options. The staff is doing their job and discharging their responsibilities professionally . [imho]
when was the last time ND had the same starting QB for two seasons except for reasons of injury.
(I consider DK the incumbant Starter as he played virtually the entire '15 season)
Kelly spoke of team identity this week. That has been the topic of discussion on this forum on occaisions.
So?
(I consider DK the incumbant Starter as he played virtually the entire '15 season)
Kelly spoke of team identity this week. That has been the topic of discussion on this forum on occaisions.
So?
Obliviously this is my opinion but I think DK may have an advantage because of the playing time/experience from last year. Not to take away from DKs athletic ability because I know he made some big plays with his legs but I think Kelly loves the mobility and big plays with his feet MZ can provide this offense, if fully recovered from the ankle injury.
I'm torn because I hate seeing a guy like MZ get his shot and becoming the starter last year only to lose it because of a season ending injury, but DK played great after getting in there.
I'm torn because I hate seeing a guy like MZ get his shot and becoming the starter last year only to lose it because of a season ending injury, but DK played great after getting in there.
my guess is if they played a game tomorrow kizer would start. as a guy who went through 4 spring practices let me say that it is primarily an opportunity for younger players who have not seen much if any action to get much needed repititions. spring games are the worst scenarios in which to evaluate players. every coach i know would prefer another solid practice as opposed to a glorified exhibition.
gotta be pretty darn close if he's taking reps with the 1's.
If Zaire is healthy, then I would go with him. He is quicker; a big plus in the kind of offense ND runs. Tony Rice was so effective, because he was so quick with his feet; everything just moved. I think Zaire can play at a faster pace. I also like Wimbush (sp?) for this reason.
bad comparison. tony rice ran a TOTALLY different type of offense and was nowhere near the thrower any of nd's current qbs are. he was great at what he was asked to do by lou holtz. rice was a great decision maker. rarely turned the ball over. ideal in the option.
^ risky biz! bench a guy on the Heisman watch list, that put together the best season by a ND QB since J Clausen; who displsys outstanding leadership in 'crunch' time, Montanaesque - teams had to defend the entire field; first time in seasons ND featured the center of the field in the offense. As long as ND has a legitimate downfield thread, there is not reason this can't be the offense of '16.
If ND lacks the deep threat, then the option style become the feature of the offense. That would mean advantage MZ.
MZ really has played less than 6 Qtrs; I recall you guys hyping EG in much the same manner!
JMO: above a poster said the staff needs to think in terms of team, but DK needs to think in like terms for his future. He is now between a rock and a hard place. If not the starter: Has he shown enough to NFL GM's? If not then he ought transfer - sit - and put together a good final season elsewhere.
tOSU struggled doing what you suggest.
If ND lacks the deep threat, then the option style become the feature of the offense. That would mean advantage MZ.
MZ really has played less than 6 Qtrs; I recall you guys hyping EG in much the same manner!
JMO: above a poster said the staff needs to think in terms of team, but DK needs to think in like terms for his future. He is now between a rock and a hard place. If not the starter: Has he shown enough to NFL GM's? If not then he ought transfer - sit - and put together a good final season elsewhere.
tOSU struggled doing what you suggest.
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Did you really mean to say "Obliviously" if so you have good comedic talent. I suspect it was a slip of the fingers ,I got a smile out of it, obviously![smile]
Huh.... Spring is all about winning a spot. Fall is about game preparation.
Each QB should go out and control what they can control. Which is how they play, compete, and lead in practiice. Brian Kelly and staff will be looking for information and then make evaluations and then pick a starter. It's up to each QB to give Brian Kelly enough good information to solve his problem. Which is Who's my QB?????
Montanaesque? Seriously? Both kids had some good moments. Let's keep the hyperbolic nonsensical rantings to a minimum.
Montanaesque? Seriously? Both kids had some good moments. Let's keep the hyperbolic nonsensical rantings to a minimum.
Montana and Lisch were an extraordinary tandem. Lisch had an absolute rocket and when he hit you with a pass it was like getting hit with a bag of cement.
In 3 years Lisch ended up with 12 TDs and 18 ints.
In 3 years Montana ended up with 25 TDs and 25 ints.
Montana's highest QB rating was 1977 134.4 11 TDs 8 ints.
In his 1st year he had 4 TDs and 8 ints in 7 games.
Kizer's passing stats 21 TD 10 Int 150+ rating dwarf both.
It was a completely different era. We used to take no prisoners.
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you are such a bore!
(if BVG's defense could hold a team for 20 seconds; it would have added to DK's accomplishments; at games end DK was BIG in '15)
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not true at all. where did you get that ? spring is primarily to get younger players work who get little if any meaningful reps in practice during the season. rarely if ever is a position battle decided in the spring. i went through 4 of them. hated every one.
I always thought that Spring practice was a way for coaches to appear to be doing something while they took a vacation from the recruiting trail![smile]"DigDigDigDig" while pushing the damn sled up and down the field . forty years ago plus and I can still hear that crap!
It might be unfair to the rest of the team (including the QB deemed #2) to prematurely name a starter.
agreed. serves no practical purpose. players know who the likely starter will or should be at pretty much every position. they are there every day. i knew i wasn't beating out tony mandarich any year. some positions are obvious who starts. others will take some time to clear up.
Maybe if you had gotten into his PED stash you might have had a fair shot![smile]
not proud to say it but i dabbled. pretty much everyone did back then pretty much everywhere. tony took it to an art form though. one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.
This is just a bunch of inaccurate BS
Let's start with the first FACTUALLY INACCURATE stupidity:
Zaire has played a lot more than 6 quaters
I believe the starting position is still open. Both are capable and each has enough experience to lead the team against Texas.
At A&M in the spring before Manziel's Heisman season, he wasn't the named the starter. I think he was the second team guy and won the starting spot in the fall. So we will have to wait and see.
At A&M in the spring before Manziel's Heisman season, he wasn't the named the starter. I think he was the second team guy and won the starting spot in the fall. So we will have to wait and see.
I would be amazed if Kelly didn't already have the decision made personally.
Again. I have yet to see a starting player in a skill position hurt, that didn't retain their position upon being healthy. Even if they were then later benched. They first resumed their number 1 spot.
Again. I have yet to see a starting player in a skill position hurt, that didn't retain their position upon being healthy. Even if they were then later benched. They first resumed their number 1 spot.
But 6 Qtrs is not an entrenched starter; not an incumbent starter. And DK rescued ND from almost certain loss in the second game! A game started by MZ.
Benching DK is in fact benching the starter.
Benching DK is in fact benching the starter.
What makes you think the game was almost a certain loss? ND led by 13 1 play after DK entered the game mid way through the third quarter. I tend to think Notre Dame wouldn't have needed the late game heroics to pull the game out had Zaire not been injured.
You have a right to your opinion, but stating the game as a certain loss because of Zaire is not accurate.
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technically it was 19-14 when MZ got injured. ND was not steam-rolling anyone nor was MZ playing what would be described as outstanding. At that point Procise run for a TD but the UVA team scored the next 2 times. In between DK was sacked to end a drive. DK was 8-12 and 2 TD in his roughly 15-16 minutes.
But you cannot disregard what happened in the next 11 games. DK was very good. .
But you cannot disregard what happened in the next 11 games. DK was very good. .
Most definitely, Kizer was great for much of the year. There seem to be 3 quarterbacks on the team that could lead the team to a very successful season. I'm hoping for the one who's not lost a game as a starter, that is the goal. However, I'm very excited to see how Kizer improves and more of Wimbush at Notre Dame and not at some other school. Theres likely a short leash if there's trouble in Texas.
Hey Echo, did you play with Jeff Pearson, a former Domer, as well after he transferred to MSU?
Saw Pearson play in high school. Absolute beast. Played with Stan Smagala on a very good Chicago Catholic League team.
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fwiw: had fortunes been reversed, (MZ had come in for an injured DK) I would be making the same argument for MZ.
fwiw: had fortunes been reversed, (MZ had come in for an injured DK) I would be making the same argument for MZ.
I would luv to know what the players think . My son's friend is a soph at ND . The student body loves Malik . They say he is an awesome guy. When asked about DK ? " no comment " was the response. Interesting . BK was destroyed when MZ went down. IMO I do not think he expected DK to play as well as he did. Zaire is a special player and Kizer is an NFL talent . The offense has new weapons at the WR position so BK cannot go on the " chemistry " thing with Kizer to Fuller etc . Both know this offense. 2- QB systems suck and there are 2 of the best QB's in the country on this team. is this crazy or what ?
And you are an over dramatic, overly negative jock sniffer who has an apparent love affair with Kizer. Comparing him to Joe Montana is pure nonsense and folly. And unfair to the kid.
You have zero football knowledge, nor the acumen, nor the information necessary to evaluate any position on a football field, let alone the QB position. You liked a kid who strung together a few good games. *golf clap*. Let me ask you a question. Are you developing tendonitis in your elbow from trying to pat yourself on the back for your lucky guess?
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