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Zaire has by all accounts has an electric personality, is a born leader, has a live arm and most importantly has the ability to turn nothing into something with his legs.

We saw what guys like that could do to even to an Alabama defense. (Manziel and Watson). If he's healthy Zaire is the guy and the guy who could be the X Factor in getting ND to the playoffs.

Kizer is a nice player who does a bunch of stuff "good". But he showed his warts against Temple, BC and OSU.
 
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Zaire has by all accounts has an electric personality, is a born leader, has a live arm and most importantly has the ability to turn nothing into something with his legs.

We saw what guys like that could do to even to an Alabama defense. (Manziel and Watson). If he's healthy Zaire is the guy and the guy who could be the X Factor in getting ND to the playoffs.

Kizer is a nice player who does a bunch of stuff "good". But he showed his warts against Temple, BC and OSU.
Don't you put OSU in the mix with your argument. ND was manhandled on both sides of the ball so Tom Brady or Joe Montana wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
Kizer is a stud and doubt Kelly goes back to Malik.
 
I can forsee a scenario where all three Quarterbacks play. It may have been the asparagus vinagrette I had last night.
 
Let's agree to disagree. Kizer could potentially develop into a stud. He's not one right now. I prefer Zaire and what he brings by way of big play potential

Malik Zaire was 19 out of 22 for 313 yards and 3 touch downs with zer0 turnovers against Texas . That Texas game was the best Notre Dame looked all year. 38 to 3 !

Many Irish fans seem to forget that game for some reason. The Irish probably go 12 and 0 in 2015 if Malik stayed healthy. Kizer did a great job filling in but turned the ball over way too many times.

Malik will be the starter against Texas. Mark my words !
 
Texas at that point in time was awful.

Put me in the camp that 2 can play .

Kizer is the better passer----Zaire is the better runner.

It's difficult but it's been done. Florida won a MNC with Leak and Tebow both playing.
 
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Bodi
Perse(in a skirt and red pumps) could have played great against Texas.
By the way, he and Caitlin Jenner trade outfits.

Texas had a lot of talent on defense and beat Oklahoma and blew a lot of games they should have won.
We will have to agree to disagree. I think Malik is better and you think Kizer is better. Nice problem to have (having three good quarterbacks).
And we both think Purse is a lame, crossdressing idiot. Which can't be disputed.

*** I will be happy if either Kizer or Malik start against Texas. I trust the coaching staff (They know a helluva a lot more about football than me !)
 
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Zaire has by all accounts has an electric personality, is a born leader, has a live arm and most importantly has the ability to turn nothing into something with his legs.

We saw what guys like that could do to even to an Alabama defense. (Manziel and Watson). If he's healthy Zaire is the guy and the guy who could be the X Factor in getting ND to the playoffs.

Kizer is a nice player who does a bunch of stuff "good". But he showed his warts against Temple, BC and OSU.

Both Zaire and Kizer were in their first potentially starting season. If you are correct about Kizer's showing in the later games, it could be he hit a wall late in the season. Unfortunately for this discussion, there is no way to know whether Zaire may have hit a wall as well during the latter part of the season if he had not gotten injured. Much of the comparison is just apples and oranges. Only the coaches see both in all team activities.
 
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Both Zaire and Kizer were in their first potentially starting season. If you are correct about Kizer's showing in the later games, it could be he hit a wall late in the season. Unfortunately for this discussion, there is no way to know whether Zaire may have hit a wall as well during the latter part of the season if he had not gotten injured. Much of the comparison is just apples and oranges. Only the coaches see both in all team activities.

Irish fans should demand the same level of excellence from their Head Coach as they do from their QB!

Answer this:
In the 6 years which team offensively performed the best?
In the 6 years which team utilized the entire field (area between hash’s) on offense
In the 6 years which team could strike from anywhere on the field?
In the 6 years what QB performed at the highest level during this period for an extended period?

So go ahead, bench your '15 starter. (if that happens and if he has time I hope the heck he transfers rather than play for such ingrates. The kid deserves some respect, HE earned it.)
 
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Let's agree to disagree. Kizer could potentially develop into a stud. He's not one right now. I prefer Zaire and what he brings by way of big play potential

Kizer just put together one of the best red-shirt Frosh QB seasons in ND history. I think he's on his way to being a stud. A lot of players make a huge leap going into their 2nd season as a starter -- he could be primed to absolutely shine.

Zaire has shown that he is a gamer though. I wouldn't count him out.

I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.
 
Kizer just put together one of the best red-shirt Frosh QB seasons in ND history. I think he's on his way to being a stud. A lot of players make a huge leap going into their 2nd season as a starter -- he could be primed to absolutely shine.

Zaire has shown that he is a gamer though. I wouldn't count him out.

I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.
it is an embarrassment of riches and winbush may be the best of the bunch. i lean towards kizer as he has shown more in a much larger sample size and has performed solidly in some very tough places. not to say zaire would not have done the same. we just don't know.
 
I have him at about 12 quarters played and he doesn't turn the ball over like Kizer.

I'd have the number of quarters at approximately 15

USC 2014 - 2 Quarters
LSU 2014 - 4 Quarters
Texas 2015 - 4 Quarters
Virginia 2015 - 3 Quarters

Beyond that, there was some "mop up duty", but I wouldn't really count that type of PT
 
Where does Brandon Wimbush fall in hear? He has 3 years left like Kizer and Zaire has 2. Does Wimbush jump ship along with either DK or MZ? Does Wimbush have any realistic shot at winning the #2 spot or dare I say it the starting spot? I'm as worried about losing Brandon as I am Dk or MZ.
 
I'd have the number of quarters at approximately 15

USC 2014 - 2 Quarters
LSU 2014 - 4 Quarters
Texas 2015 - 4 Quarters
Virginia 2015 - 3 Quarters

Beyond that, there was some "mop up duty", but I wouldn't really count that type of PT
to be fair he did split time against lsu with golson. he truly only has one full game under his belt, texas.
 
Texas had a lot of talent on defense and beat Oklahoma and blew a lot of games they should have won.
We will have to agree to disagree. I think Malik is better and you think Kizer is better. Nice problem to have (having three good quarterbacks).
And we both think Purse is a lame, crossdressing idiot. Which can't be disputed.

*** I will be happy if either Kizer or Malik start against Texas. I trust the coaching staff (They know a helluva a lot more about football than me !)
At the time ND played Texas, UT was terrible. They did improve big time. Playing at UT we will see a different UT team.
 
to be fair he did split time against lsu with golson. he truly only has one full game under his belt, texas.

Zaire was the game MVP v. LSU, so I would count that as a "full game"

But either way, it's clear that Zaire's "in game experience" isn't as extensive as Kizer's
 
Irish fans should demand the same level of excellence from their Head Coach as they do from their QB!

Answer this:
In the 6 years which team offensively performed the best?
In the 6 years which team utilized the entire field (area between hash’s) on offense
In the 6 years which team could strike from anywhere on the field?
In the 6 years what QB performed at the highest level during this period for an extended period?

So go ahead, bench your '15 starter. (if that happens and if he has time I hope the heck he transfers rather than play for such ingrates. The kid deserves some respect, HE earned it.)

Here we go! The 2015 ND Offensive team was Kelly's best. It was,a group effort not just because of Kizer.

Zaire not Kizer was the 2015 starter coming out of fall camp. Kizer was 3rd string out of Spring Ball.

Zaire did nothing to lose his job. He got hurt. He deserves,every right to win it back and I'm sure he will, if healthy of course.

You are just assuming Zaire could not of not performed at Kizers,level the last 11 games. You have no idea or clue as to what MZ would of done.

And lastly your blather about doing things "between the hash marks" and "striking from anywhere was about Fuller, Procise and a cast of playmakers that was,the best ND has had in 6 years. It's a collective effort not about one individual.

I get that you finally made one point about a player that came to fruition. And if Zaire becomes the starter, your one point joins all your other points in the football ignoramus pile.

But it's not about you cupcake. Its,about ND and the staff putting the QB on the field that's going to give the 2016 team it's best chance to win football games. Your opinions are equal part irrelevant and ignorant.
 
At the time ND played Texas, UT was terrible. They did improve big time. Playing at UT we will see a different UT team.

Watch the game again like I did !!! Texas defense was not terrible !! They actually played tough and roughed Malik a bit.

Texas offense was terrible ! Did Malik face the Texas offense ? I think not !

How quickly Irish fans forget !

Malik-- zero turnovers !! Enough said !
 
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Watch the game again like I did !!! Texas defense was not terrible !! They actually played tough and roughed Malik a bit.

Texas offense was terrible ! Did Malik face the Texas offense ? I think not !

How quickly Irish fans forget !

Malik-- zero turnovers !! Enough said !
Bodi,
Your my man on this site but stop with the Texas stuff. They were terrible and their coach is in way over his head. He fired a bunch of assistants and if they have another crap year he will be out of a job.
That doesn't mean Malik isn't a good QB but don't use the Texas example. He played great.
ND is going to steam roll them again this coming year. Men against boys.
 
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Bodi,
Your my man on this site but stop with the Texas stuff. They were terrible and their coach is in way over his head. He fired a bunch of assistants and if they have another crap year he will be out of a job.
That doesn't mean Malik isn't a good QB but don't use the Texas example. He played great.
ND is going to steam roll them again this coming year. Men against boys.

Notre Dame is going to beat down Texas like Santa Anna did to Texas at the Alamo !! It is not going to be pretty !
48 to 11 the Irish win !
 
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Watch the game again like I did !!! Texas defense was not terrible !! They actually played tough and roughed Malik a bit.

Texas offense was terrible ! Did Malik face the Texas offense ? I think not !

How quickly Irish fans forget !

Malik-- zero turnovers !! Enough said !
I was at the game. Texas sucked that day. They got better as the season went on, but they sucked wind that day.
 
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Kizer starts. Bet on it. The college game has become all about the pass. Not MZ's strength. He will play in the red zone and mop up.
 
Where does Brandon Wimbush fall in hear? He has 3 years left like Kizer and Zaire has 2. Does Wimbush jump ship along with either DK or MZ? Does Wimbush have any realistic shot at winning the #2 spot or dare I say it the starting spot? I'm as worried about losing Brandon as I am Dk or MZ.

I think BW will end up red-shirting to preserve a year of eligibility -- he even talked about it at the end of the season last year. I think the coaches wanted to include him in the competition to keep him from getting complacent in case of injuries this year. He'll be the likely starter in '18 & '19.
 
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I think BW will end up red-shirting to preserve a year of eligibility -- he even talked about it at the end of the season last year. I think the coaches wanted to include him in the competition to keep him from getting complacent in case of injuries this year. He'll be the likely starter in '18 & '19.
I agree. I think they may have learned their lesson a few years ago when Hendrix was relegated to the scout team for a full season and had very little familiarity and chemistry with the starters when called upon to contribute in games .Maybe it was more recent when Kizer got few real reps while Golson and Zaire fought it out last year.
 
True. I was being presumptive, but ND could easily continue to recruit young men that will challenge that notion.
 
Kizer starts. Bet on it. The college game has become all about the pass. Not MZ's strength. He will play in the red zone and mop up.
when you become a college coach and understand college football and who zaire is you would just sit back shut up and watch a superstar grow...
 
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^ you have a new 'handle' ?

Probably best if that is proven on the field of play and let others form their own opinions.

As far as I have read here, no one has said anything negative re Malik, but the other kid is good also! and he has 'supporters' also; same as Malik.
 
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^ you have a new 'handle' ?

Probably best if that is proven on the field of play and let others form their own opinions.

As far as I have read here, no one has said anything negative re Malik, but the other kid is good also! and he has 'supporters' also; same as Malik.

I have been a supporter of the zaire kid because I like the underdog. According to some folks he wasn't suppose to be here at ND as a qb or any other D1 school as a Qb. He has fought to prove he is one of the best in college. If he was at 90 percent of the other D1 he would start without question. So I support him like any other underdogs who were told he is not supposed to be anywhere on the filed. Look at Tommy Reese he was smart understood the game but just didn't have the tools to get the job done. Then there was Hendricks that had the tools but under the lights couldn't get it done. Then comes the zaire kid a workhorse a commited dedicated player who is a beast on and off the field. I just hope this coach doesn't kill his spirit with mind games.
 
1. Malik's spirit looks unshakable
2. While he has done well in his limited P.T. so far, it is premature to attribute 'greatness' to him.
3. I agree there are probably < 20 teams he would not start for; however, ND may be one of them.

The 3 kids are very close in abilities; even if they have different strengths. They all have terrific arms, all can advance the ball with their legs, and all have special leadership talents. The advantages I see for DK are his almost full season of experience and his height allows better field vision which allows for using basic drop back pass plays. ND has not utilized the areas between the has marks as part of the pass attack for some years. DK is very good with the deep ball also; he stretches the field. Malik and Wim presumably can do this but we just don't have enough info yet to say for certain. It takes more than just a big arm.
 
when you become a college coach and understand college football and who zaire is you would just sit back shut up and watch a superstar grow...
If you are trying to tell me MZ is a better passer than Kizer then you know nothing.
 
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