You just can’t accept freeman isn’t it. You won’t accept it even when he’s coaching linebackers at a D3 school for the blind in 2028.
How many losses with be tolerated? History tells us
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you are bordering on being the worst poster on this forum at this point. Like it or not, Freeman will be the HC at ND for the next 3 years if not 5. Now step back off the ledge and deal with it like a big boy and not some 10 year old.
I wanted ND to go after Fickell, we got Freeman, there is nothing we can do but hope he fixes the problems.
Win or lose, it's not going to tell the story of Mf is going to be successful or not.
You're showing your immaturity and lack of comprehension with that post
It's going to be a riot in this forum if in a couple of years MF has ND in the playoffs.
I never said that BK leaving was a "good thing"...but his limitations were more and more obvious with time...
You might believe that Kelly would have won a national championship, but I respectfully disagree...I think Freeman is likely to bring in better talent, but the questions are about if/how he can manage a program and coach up that talent...we had the answers with Kelly...we don't (yet) with Freeman
You misused cognitive dissonance...
Never said Kelly didn't have a culture, but how good could it have been when it came out after he left that he believed he couldn't win at Notre Dame without significant changes to the way the university ran the football program? How good a culture could it have been when one of the issues was that Notre Dame didn't have the right kind of facilities to compete with "the factories",...how happy could Kelly have been? And how does that translate into a good culture?
I don't think you understand the difference between culture and change in management...don't feel bad...there are a lot of executives that don't know the difference either...
Bipolar? You were one of the biggest proponents of the MF hire when it happened, now you can't stand the man, like it's personal.
Keep throwing STRIKES, brother.
Many here are capable of more TRUTH ACKNOWLEDGEMENT than they've displayed as a) pain can be a frightening OBSTACLE and b) the HOPIUM DRUG kills pain. But the REALIST POSITION is FACT-BASED and, over time, DEFIES IGNORING.
And you're SPOT-ON re your point that INCONSISTENCY is the SIGNATURE TELL of inexperienced coaches.
As with Faust, in particular, ANY GAME can go in ANY DIRECTION at ANY TIME. Who would have thought that a MERE YEAR after Kelly, that that would AGAIN be an issue?
Apparently not Swarbrick. Or didn't it matter?
People grossly underestimating the QB situation which has been anywhere from near disaster to disaster the entire Kelly tenure … he couldn’t recruit, he couldn’t develop and he couldn’t keep them on the team or in the school so he resolved to go the safe route with the Ian Books of the world, ensuring he would be competitive vs lesser competition but he and we all saw the ceiling … complete offensive ineptitude vs the fast and physical defenses of the SEC. We have no talent, depth or development at QB now anywhere on the roster and that has to be built … meanwhile our HC is a defensive guy and our OC is the protege of the guy who created the mess. If MF can get a top tier offensive coordinator and QB whisperer he’ll do just fine, if not this will continue for 4-5 years and then exit stage left. Oh Kelly also let the receiver position dwindle to unimaginable numbers, after what was a really good position at ND for most of his time. That one is hard to understand and totally on Freeman and Rees not to fix that with transfers.
Ok this I disagree with your sentiment here.
I liked CBK overall. He was successful.
I like Freeman. And hope he can develop fast enough to also eventually be successful at ND. Even if the odds are against him.
First, you misuse cognitive dissonance, now you misuse bipolar...stop with the psychological jargon 'cause you don't get any of it
Joel Williams got screwed on a non td call vs Michigan. You could feel after Lou’s first year that ND made a great hire.
In terms of losses? Lou wouldn’t lose to Marshal & a hapless Stanford team. Freeman isn’t going anywhere but he’s not winning a title here. He’ll be gone after year 3 or 4.
Nope...I was a kicker...no CTE...and no cognitive dissonance or bipolar disorder...mild feelings of imperiousness, but nothing that I can't handle or that you typically find in a Canadian....
No one's won a title here since Lou's ONLY title...and I will bet that Freeman's first year record will be better than Lou's was...
Joel Williams lived in my dorm … yes he was inbounds and made the catch … replay would have overturned that but probably would have cost us the ‘88 Miami game too.
No, that's false. I wouldn't even describe that as an 'opinion', it's just some shit people say. They gotta say something, and want to put a positive spin on it, so BK's departure, despite being an obvious disaster for the program, is characterized as a positive development, in as much as his limitations have somehow been laid bare to see for quite some time, and all these playoff appearances, and this high, high plane the program had been lifted to, is offset by this bullshit critique that BK had taken the program as high as he could take it. And thus we were at an impasse, or some shit like that....
Which to repeat is made-up nonsense. If anything the program under BK was ready to make that final push for an actual championship victory, what with our recruiting classes vaulting into, it would appear, regular top ten status. And the team being at such a peak level of performance, year on year...
So, I'm just saying, you seem like a reasonable guy, to just leave the BK-bashing or even subtle belittling out of it. It's false, it's not reality, first of all. It's horseshit. And then just, you know, out of respect, and gratitude, to a truly great coach, and someone who did so much for ND football that it's hard to even really contemplate it properly.
Brian Kelly was NEVER going to win a title at ND. Never. And it was a beautiful day for Notre Dame when that cowardly weasel slithered off to Baton Rouge. I don't care if we go 4-8 for the next 3 years. Kelly never deserved to be the head coach at a special place like ND.
Interesting perspective. I'd rather go 4-8 with a coach that I like than go 11-1 with a coach I don't like.
You're so full of shit. You already hated him. And then you blame him for leaving on the way out the door.
But that's cool, though. That's who you are. Don't ever change. I don't want you to change. And I used to say shit like 'ND fans don't care about winning', as like a throwaway line, as a cliche. But it's straight up true. And it's gotten to where it's actually become a point of pride for you guys. Something you brag about, and toot your own horns over. You'd rather lose....
Well, I guess LSU's going to win another championship, then. And who the F knows what ND's going to do. Keep trying, I suppose.....
Brian Kelly is going to get FIRED from LSU in 4-5 years. If you are so confident he will win a championship at LSU let's put a wager on it. Otherwise go back to the LSU forum and continue your BK love fest there.,
Hmmm.. I am going for the next 20 years... he will get the people/players he wants.. and ND will excel! Looking forward to one or both of my boys playing for him!!!
I guess people were grossly "underestimating things" because the football program had a record of 44-6, these past 4 years?
Apparently, hiring the 4th inexperienced coach in 41 years, and after having suffered 4 losses in 8 games, illuminated these "QB issues". It is amazing what having an experienced, winning coach can do for the Wins & Losses?
PS MARCUS FREEEMAN IS 4-4 (THE FIESTA BOWL LOSS COUNTS, WHY?
Because when ND was up 28-7, all the "Kelly Cranks" were chirping "Marcus "The Great" and "Kelly Who?"
Then when the game was over, and then after losses to Marshall and Stanford this year. You found out exactly who Brian Kelly is) an elite coach. Don't believe me? Go check the Top 20 his week. You will find preseason unranked LSU in there, but you won't find preseason #5 ND, will you? Gee, I wonder why?
Keep making excuses, keep rationalizing, keep deflecting, this season has been a complete, utter and total disaster. Unlike Lou, BK who had tough first seasons, this guy took the job with a 0-0 record, and no track record. So, there is no empirical evidence that he can do the job at ND. But we have LOTS, and LOTS, of empirical evidence of inexperienced ND Head Coaches falling flat on their face. If you are still aboard the Marcus Freeman train, you are for 3 reasons.
1. Kelly Derangement Syndrome
2. Blind Faith / Bordering on Delusional
3. Both
“ replay would have overturned that but probably would have cost us the ‘88 Miami game too.”
I agree the Gary fumble on the goal line would’ve been overturned but the chudzinski fumble right before half and the drop from Andre brown that was ruled a TD would’ve been overturned too. ND won that game fair and square.
I agree the Gary fumble on the goal line would’ve been overturned but the chudzinski fumble right before half and the drop from Andre brown that was ruled a TD would’ve been overturned too. ND won that game fair and square.
You take this shit too seriously. It's not like we have input into the decisions being made. 😂
Also please explain Kelly 59-0 vs unranked teams because I can count numerous losses to unranked teams under Kelly. You lose all credibility with that statement 😂
"I agree the Gary fumble on the goal line would’ve been overturned but the chudzinski fumble right before half and the drop from Andre brown that was ruled a TD would’ve been overturned too. ND won that game fair and square."
If replay were in existence back in 88, once replay overturns a call, the rest of the game changes. Had Chudzinki's fumble been overturned, ND goes into the locker room up 21-14. Maybe Miami does not attempt a fake punt in the 3rd Quarter and punts and pins ND deep. That changes ND's play calling --
ND (like many teams prior to replay -- which BTW, has ruined sports) won the game straight up.
everyone know we don’t learn from history! you should have learned this from history!
I am aboard the Freeman train because he is going to be the coach for the next several years. While his team seems to be very erratic thus far, he may straighten it out. Seven games is not a lot to go by. Let's give him a chance and see what happens.
the team that showed up to play north carolina would only have 1 loss. eratic is right
This is the only take that’s reasonable and realistic. Anything else is wreckless.
