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[Chitownrealist]

I am surprised so many continue to talk about ND not making the playoff with 1 loss. People are listening to media too much. They are just trying to generate clicks and create energy around announcements. ND with 1 loss is a stone cold lock. In 2023 the lowest ranked 1 loss team at the end of regular season was ranked No. 7 by CFP committee. In 2022 the lowest 1 loss team was ranked 4th at end of regular season. In 2021 lowest ranked 1 loss team at end of regular season was No. 5. (I don’t count the Louisiana Rajin Cajuns who were 12-1 and ranked 23). 2020 was Covid.

Assuming we win out (and I recognize that is no gimme), the question is not whether we make the playoff at 11-1. The question is whether we are hosting.

 

[raulduke_007]

If ND handles business and wins out we will be 5 or 6. Probably draw ACC/Big 12 runner up in 1st rd and then play ACC/Big 12 champ in the quarters.
1/2 Sec Or B1G champ
3/4 Acc/ Big 12 champ
5/6 ND/SEC/B1G runner up
7-9B1G/SEC at large
10-12 Big 12/ACC/G5 at large

 

[savvyandsassier]

I know, it's very effed up. As in it seems absurd. This is ND we're talking about, we were a consensus preseason top ten team, we've done nothing to disappoint on that score, other than NIU, but we're still 7-1, and steamrolling towards 11-1 looking more impressive and commanding every week. And we did beat A&M, who's now in the spotlight thanks to the rousing comeback win over LSU. But even if you flip flopped it, and we lost to A&M and beat NIU, we'd still be playoff worthy without hesitation.

I think it's just bullshit rhetoric and clickbait. Just part of the endless stream of blather from people who talk about football for a living. Hard to tell whether it's just true blather, and verbal diarrhea, or if it's contrived clickbait. Probably more the latter. Otherwise it's too stupid for anyone to even think or say in earnest.

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Especially when they are touting a 2 loss LSU as still in the playoff hunt.

 

[IrishMike409]

Agree....11-1, and we're in.

I worry about the last 2 weeks. We go out to the east coast to play a likely undefeated Army Team, then turnaround that next week (Thanksgiving), and go to LA to play a talented USC team.

These last 4 weeks of college football will be a wild ride. Nothing gonna come easy for ND.

 

[NDblitz]

Agree....11-1, and we're in.

I worry about the last 2 weeks. We go out to the east coast to play a likely undefeated Army Team, then turnaround that next week (Thanksgiving), and go to LA to play a talented USC team.

These last 4 weeks of college football will be a wild ride. Nothing gonna come easy for ND.

Kinda makes you wish the Bye was on 11/9. But thankfully it's this week, as it gives them a chance to recharge so they can put their heads down and dig. Let's hope FSU comes up to South Bend and lays an egg, so the starters can sit out the 4th quarter. And nobody gets injured. ND schedule has had almost perfect bye placement. 5 games...bye...3 games...bye...4 games....bye...hopefully host playoff game.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Especially when they are touting a 2 loss LSU as still in the playoff hunt.

They definitely are still in the playoff hunt. A 10-2 LSU team is in. But not over an 11-1 ND team. But maybe these pundits are on to something. Maybe ND could be in a little trouble even at 11-1. I wouldn't think so, but there's some chatter out there in the mediasphere suggesting otherwise.

LSU is in at 10-2 that much is for sure.

 

[Chitown11]

They definitely are still in the playoff hunt. A 10-2 LSU team is in. But not over an 11-1 ND team. But maybe these pundits are on to something. Maybe ND could be in a little trouble even at 11-1. I wouldn't think so, but there's some chatter out there in the mediasphere suggesting otherwise.

LSU is in at 10-2 that much is for sure.

No way is lsu in with 10-2

 

[Juniper_Run]

I agree completely with the OP's assessment. It will be a nail-biter to see if we get to host a game. My prediction is that we end up with the 8 seed if we win out, but we could easily drop to 9 or 10 if various games don't go our way.

I also predict that ND fans will be really angry with the first playoff committee rankings. I think teams like BYU, IU, Iowa St., and maybe even Pitt will all be ahead of us and we'll land somewhere around 12 or 13. We'll move up as the weeks pass, but not until a few more upsets or ranked vs ranked games happen elsewhere.

 

[mva5580]

The situation changed when Alabama lost to Vanderbilt.

 

[savvyandsassier]

No way is lsu in with 10-2

Why would you say that, they're definitely in with 10-2. It's a slam dunk playoff resume. This is just more BK hating. The only scenario is scores of 11-1 teams, above and beyond the historical norm, and that would keep them out. Like with Pitt, Miami and Clemson from the ACC. I don't know their schedules and if that's even possible, but as of today. But if there were seven different 11-1 P4 teams to finish the season, then I guess LSU would or at least could be out. Four weeks to go before that eventuality.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I agree completely with the OP's assessment. It will be a nail-biter to see if we get to host a game. My prediction is that we end up with the 8 seed if we win out, but we could easily drop to 9 or 10 if various games don't go our way.

I also predict that ND fans will be really angry with the first playoff committee rankings. I think teams like BYU, IU, Iowa St., and maybe even Pitt will all be ahead of us and we'll land somewhere around 12 or 13. We'll move up as the weeks pass, but not until a few more upsets or ranked vs ranked games happen elsewhere.

Indeed, it will be very interesting to see the initial rankings. And one thing to note, now that there are no more separate divisions within the conferences even necessitating a CCG, but they're still going to have them, is a team going to be punished for losing in the CCG? If LSU makes the CCG, and loses to UGA, are they out? And would have been better off finishing third at 10-2, and letting some other team get that third loss? Because that would be lame. CCGs losses cannot be part of the playoff criteria. Only winning it, not losing it. If so, it would borderline disincentivize even getting in, and you'd rather hang back in the cut, and let somebody else take the loss. Though of course winning the game would certainly secure a playoff berth.

 

[Golson5]

Why would you say that, they're definitely in with 10-2. It's a slam dunk playoff resume. This is just more BK hating. The only scenario is scores of 11-1 teams, above and beyond the historical norm, and that would keep them out. Like with Pitt, Miami and Clemson from the ACC. I don't know their schedules and if that's even possible, but as of today. But if there were seven different 11-1 P4 teams to finish the season, then I guess LSU would or at least could be out. Four weeks to go before that eventuality.

Not definitely in at 10 and 2. Possible but not definite

 

[88ND]

I am surprised so many continue to talk about ND not making the playoff with 1 loss. People are listening to media too much. They are just trying to generate clicks and create energy around announcements. ND with 1 loss is a stone cold lock. In 2023 the lowest ranked 1 loss team at the end of regular season was ranked No. 7 by CFP committee. In 2022 the lowest 1 loss team was ranked 4th at end of regular season. In 2021 lowest ranked 1 loss team at end of regular season was No. 5. (I don’t count the Louisiana Rajin Cajuns who were 12-1 and ranked 23). 2020 was Covid.

Assuming we win out (and I recognize that is no gimme), the question is not whether we make the playoff at 11-1. The question is whether we are hosting.

The chatter about this is nothing new and it's the media still being pissed ND won't conform to a conference.

Middle finger to the lot of them

 

[NDinNJ]

If ND handles business and wins out we will be 5 or 6. Probably draw ACC/Big 12 runner up in 1st rd and then play ACC/Big 12 champ in the quarters.
1/2 Sec Or B1G champ
3/4 Acc/ Big 12 champ
5/6 ND/SEC/B1G runner up
7-9B1G/SEC at large
10-12 Big 12/ACC/G5 at large

If ND is #5 they'll get the G5 team in the 12th slot. If they win, they'll get B12 or ACC champ in round 2.

 

[sjb75]

I am surprised so many continue to talk about ND not making the playoff with 1 loss. People are listening to media too much. They are just trying to generate clicks and create energy around announcements. ND with 1 loss is a stone cold lock. In 2023 the lowest ranked 1 loss team at the end of regular season was ranked No. 7 by CFP committee. In 2022 the lowest 1 loss team was ranked 4th at end of regular season. In 2021 lowest ranked 1 loss team at end of regular season was No. 5. (I don’t count the Louisiana Rajin Cajuns who were 12-1 and ranked 23). 2020 was Covid.

Assuming we win out (and I recognize that is no gimme), the question is not whether we make the playoff at 11-1. The question is whether we are hosting.

There aren't many.

 

[sjb75]

No way is lsu in with 10-2

Most SEC teams are in at 10-2. They should be.

Read Florida's schedule. I would put them in at 9-3. Same with Georgia.

 

[1Redrum]

If ND wins out they will host a game. This is all but guaranteed. I even hear they will have light snow blowing with the Golden Dome in the background according to the script I have seen.

 

[sjb75]

If ND wins out they will host a game. This is all but guaranteed. I even hear they will have light snow blowing with the Golden Dome in the background according to the script I have seen.

I have never understood the fascination by some delighting in players and fans enduring sub freezing temperatures for four hours. I fully understand why quarter final, semi finals, and final games will be played in domed stadiums and warmer weather locales.

 

[Golson5]

I have never understood the fascination by some delighting in players and fans enduring sub freezing temperatures for four hours. I fully understand why quarter final, semi finals, and final games will be played in domed stadiums and warmer weather locales.

Because southern teams very rarely have to come up north and deal with the elements the northern teams play in. But the northern teams go south often in August and September and deal with with their conditions

It's a nice turnaround

 

[IrishMike409]

I have never understood the fascination by some delighting in players and fans enduring sub freezing temperatures for four hours. I fully understand why quarter final, semi finals, and final games will be played in domed stadiums and warmer weather locales.

I think the cold weather would be good for us.

Send Miami up to South Bend in December.....we'd have an advantage playing in this conditions.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I think the cold weather would be good for us.

Send Miami up to South Bend in December.....we'd have an advantage playing in this conditions.

Dude, what if there was like snow all over the ground, wouldn't that be epic, that would be effin' awesome! Let's say we were playing LSU in those conditions. Advantage ND. That's why all playoff games have to be home games except for the championship. Or no more than the semis. Not because you want snow bowl games necessarily, but because you just gotta do it! It's just way more righteous that way, and very much incentivizes wanting the highest you seed you can get, and makes the regular season that much more important. And yes, totally does give cold weather teams a huge, very significant advantage over SEC teams if they ever have to play up north in December and it's fairly cold that day.

 

[NDinNJ]

ND will host a game at 11-1.

 

[sjb75]

I think the cold weather would be good for us.

Send Miami up to South Bend in December.....we'd have an advantage playing in this conditions.

Probably yes.

 

[sjb75]

Dude, what if there was like snow all over the ground, wouldn't that be epic, that would be effin' awesome! Let's say we were playing LSU in those conditions. Advantage ND. That's why all playoff games have to be home games except for the championship. Or no more than the semis. Not because you want snow bowl games necessarily, but because you just gotta do it! It's just way more righteous that way, and very much incentivizes wanting the highest you seed you can get, and makes the regular season that much more important. And yes, totally does give cold weather teams a huge, very significant advantage over SEC teams if they ever have to play up north in December and it's fairly cold that day.

Reading this poster has repercussions.

 

[chaseball]

Dude, what if there was like snow all over the ground, wouldn't that be epic, that would be effin' awesome! Let's say we were playing LSU in those conditions. Advantage ND. That's why all playoff games have to be home games except for the championship. Or no more than the semis. Not because you want snow bowl games necessarily, but because you just gotta do it! It's just way more righteous that way, and very much incentivizes wanting the highest you seed you can get, and makes the regular season that much more important. And yes, totally does give cold weather teams a huge, very significant advantage over SEC teams if they ever have to play up north in December and it's fairly cold that day.

Is there any actual evidence that climate impacts teams from certain regions more than others? My guess is that that is one of those old sportswriter folk tales that don't actually hold up to the evidence.

 

[sjb75]

ND will host a game at 11-1.

Agree. Losing another game will very likely doom the Playoff chances.

 

[raulduke_007]

Is there any actual evidence that climate impacts teams from certain regions more than others? My guess is that that is one of those old sportswriter folk tales that don't actually hold up to the evidence.

For a guy that boasts about being ahead of the curve you sure lack some basic football knowledge. Since this a new concept in CFB you can look to the NFL where warm weather/dome teams have a historically bad record playing on the road in the cold. There are few excepts Tampa Bay a couple times, New Orleans but overwhelming these types of teams struggle to win. Last year Miami had an explosive o last year and looked like a high school team in the freezing conditions on KC.

 

[sjb75]

For a guy that boasts about being ahead of the curve you sure lack some basic football knowledge. Since this a new concept in CFB you can look to the NFL where warm weather/dome teams have a historically bad record playing on the road in the cold. There are few excepts Tampa Bay a couple times, New Orleans but overwhelming these types of teams struggle to win. Last year Miami had an explosive o last year and looked like a high school team in the freezing conditions on KC.

While I agree with your premise, Kansas City makes everyone look like that.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Is there any actual evidence that climate impacts teams from certain regions more than others? My guess is that that is one of those old sportswriter folk tales that don't actually hold up to the evidence.

It wouldn't be a folk tale, it would be an obvious fact of nature. How much a team like LSU, or Florida or Miami or USC is actually put at such a functional disadvantage so much so that it costs them a game? And that was the reason, indubitably? Who knows about that. But it's obviously not what they would prefer, and if they're not at all used to 19 degree temps with a decent breeze, as like, 20-year old college kids, they would be at a disadvantage. Whereas anyone can play in balmier warm weather with no advantage to either side.

 

[sjb75]

It wouldn't be a folk tale, it would be an obvious fact of nature. How much a team like LSU, or Florida or Miami or USC is actually put at such a functional disadvantage so much so that it costs them a game? And that was the reason, indubitably? Who knows about that. But it's obviously not what they would prefer, and if they're not at all used to 19 degree temps with a decent breeze, as like, 20-year old college kids, they would be at a disadvantage. Whereas anyone can play in balmier warm weather with no advantage to either side.

Repercussions.

 

[IrishMike409]

Is there any actual evidence that climate impacts teams from certain regions more than others? My guess is that that is one of those old sportswriter folk tales that don't actually hold up to the evidence.

Anecdotally...

It seems like warm weather NFL teams go to Green Bay, Buffalo, KC, or Chicago late in the year, and get pounded.

 

[sjb75]

Anecdotally...

It seems like warm weather NFL teams go to Green Bay, Buffalo, KC, or Chicago late in the year, and get pounded.

Chicago?

 

[raulduke_007]

Anecdotally...

It seems like warm weather NFL teams go to Green Bay, Buffalo, KC, or Chicago late in the year, and get pounded.

Ive seen a stat that below 20 degrees the cold weather team wins 67% of the time. Its an increase of 10% although the stat said certain warm weather teams like Arizona and San Fran it didnt have an effect but teams like Dallas, Tampa, Miami it had a major impact. Tampa had some ridic streak where they had a 30 year losing streak below 40 degrees until they beat Philly in the NFC champ game. And then Lions had the worse cold weather record for dome teams but that could be because we were terrible for 40 years

 

[IrishMike409]

Chicago?

Bears and Eberflus have a better home record than you think.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Plus, USC refuses to play ND in November for a reason. I don't know if they actually refuse or not, but it's certainly the tradition that was settled on, and not by accident.

 

[BGI User 756]

I have never understood the fascination by some delighting in players and fans enduring sub freezing temperatures for four hours. I fully understand why quarter final, semi finals, and final games will be played in domed stadiums and warmer weather locales.

Because you never played

 

[BGI User 756]

Is there any actual evidence that climate impacts teams from certain regions more than others? My guess is that that is one of those old sportswriter folk tales that don't actually hold up to the evidence.

You mean F+ doesn’t include that? Lmfao

 

[sjb75]

Bears and Eberflus have a better home record than you think.

They do. It surprised me because the franchise has recently been so bad, including last Sunday.

 

[IrishMike409]

They do. It surprised me because the franchise has recently been so bad, including last Sunday.

The franchise has really been a mess for decades.

But certain years, they've played well at Soldier. Cold weather teams go to Soldier in November and December....it's tough on them.