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The debate over who should have gotten in is secondary. We could argue all day, which I won't.

But what is interesting is the gap between Georgia and TCU...elite vs less than that. I also consider Ohio State and Alabama elite.

As others noted, TCU got a Michigan team that choked. But got exposed against the Dawgs.

More importantly to me, this speaks to how far Notre Dame is from elite.
Oh yeah, who the F noted that? TCU didn't beat Michigan, Michigan choked. And according to you, that's 'noted'.....

TCU beat the undefeated #2 team from the mighty Big Ten, fair and square. They played their way into the title game, and earned every bit of tonight's beatdown. Nobody got exposed.....
 
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It might not be popular!? But I am glad they are going to a 12 teams system.
Me too because right now the NCAA can’t find more then 2 teams who can compete in a playoff. How in the hell are they going to find 10 more teams who have realistic chances to win. Sad!
 
You do realize that Ohio St. was the 4 seed, right? So if Bama got in, they would have been # 4 and TCU would still have played Michigan. You also realize that TCU was ranked ahead of Bama in the polls, right?
If you knew what you were talking about, you would be dangerous.
The PC Agreed with the BCS (proxy) like it always has. The only difference is that TCU and Ohio State were nearly tied. https://www.colleyrankings.com/foot2022/bcsLike/bcsLike14.html

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Georgia 1.045910
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0.629900: 5
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W: #6 Tennessee
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Michigan 0.951989
13-0​
0.521526: 58
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W: #4 Ohio St
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TCU 0.926453
12-1​
0.568984: 37
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W: #9 Kansas St
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Ohio St 0.890495
11-1​
0.538911: 53
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W: #10 Penn St
 
that’s my point, don’t be politically correct just put the best teams in. And Bama vs ga would have been a helluva game. Young now fully recovered and Bama just dismantled the team that beat TCU. the committee knows it and saw the game but proved gutless and went with sentimental favorite—TCU. And the fans got screwed and had to watch this vomit
would've, could've, should've. YAWN!!
 
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i agree with both points. but I also don’t think a w/L record always tells the whole story. Case in point was tenn/ Ala. , I think Ala probably wins 9 of 10 times it was an atrocious performance by the refs. and are your loses at home? on the road? who played/ who didn’t? My point is at end of season Bama was healthy and playing good ball and I think they were as good as anyone.
So what you’re saying is the actual outcomes of the games don’t matter … we can probably just run the whole thing on a computer and avoid all that travel and the player injuries too. Good idea.
 
So what you’re saying is the actual outcomes of the games don’t matter … we can probably just run the whole thing on a computer and avoid all that travel and the player injuries too. Good idea.
The alabama fanboobs are butt hurt

Fact is when it mattered they could not get it done ON THE FIELD

Georgia clearly was the best team in college football this year and the team that should have won it all did

Alabama LOST two and should have lost more

Alabama fanboobs want everyone to forget that in 4 games this year vs teams with CLEARLY LESS TALENT Alabama had all they could handle.

Makes a mockery of their whining
 
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Last night Georgia would have WASTED any team they played. Michgian or Alabama or whoever. They were firing on all cylinders and Bennett was great.

It would have been Georgia 49 and Alabama about 14.
 
Thanks for being politically correct and completely gutless. Embarassment

This post is an embaressment. The playoffs were earned on the field NOT by the bs subjective eye test.

It's a crying shame that Alabama got reamed by Tennessee and LSU....but they did. They should have been better on those days and they weren't so the don't get in. Period.
 
Only problem I had with the committee is should have been UGA-TCU and Mich-OSU game 1. But, it did knock the B10 out of the championship so in the end it was good.

The OSU-UGA was the real championship.
 
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that’s my point, don’t be politically correct just put the best teams in. And Bama vs ga would have been a helluva game. Young now fully recovered and Bama just dismantled the team that beat TCU. the committee knows it and saw the game but proved gutless and went with sentimental favorite—TCU. And the fans got screwed and had to watch this vomit
So you want the committee to just pick the teams? Why play the games then? TCU deserved to be in the CFP, and they deservedto be in the game, it's a playoff, win and you advance. The whole argument for the CFP was to have it decided on the field. Look over the years of the Super Bowls, many years that game sucked as well, it happens
 
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i agree with both points. but I also don’t think a w/L record always tells the whole story. Case in point was tenn/ Ala. , I think Ala probably wins 9 of 10 times it was an atrocious performance by the refs. and are your loses at home? on the road? who played/ who didn’t? My point is at end of season Bama was healthy and playing good ball and I think they were as good as anyone.
The point is it is suppose to be decided on the field, it was. And yeah the game sucked, so be it
 
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This post is an embaressment. The playoffs were earned on the field NOT by the bs subjective eye test.

It's a crying shame that Alabama got reamed by Tennessee and LSU....but they did. They should have been better on those days and they weren't so the don't get in. Period.
losing to an undefeated and # 6 rated team on the road on the last play of the game and then losing to another top 10 team on the road in sec is a lot different then getting curb stomped by Michigan and a L to k st. The hate for Bama on this board is palpable. Bottom line is they were and are one of the top 4 probably top 2 teams. The committee didn’t get the top 4 teams
 
So what you’re saying is the actual outcomes of the games don’t matter … we can probably just run the whole thing on a computer and avoid all that travel and the player injuries too. Good idea.
That’s not what I’m saying , actual outcomes matter a lot. But should a loss to an undefeated and #6 ranked team on the road on the last play of the game be as a damaging as a loss at home to an unranked Marshall be measured in the same way? They’re both registered as a loss on your record but they’re dramatically different. Bama lost to an undefeated #6 on the road and top 10 LSU both on the road, both last play of the game. They had the # 2 SOS and I think one of 2 teams that could take ga to the wire. I want to see good games not debacles like last night
 
The committee got it right. As posters pointed out , Bama lost twice. Bama fans & The SEC talking heads want two sec schools penciled in every year.
so based on that simplistic approach you would put a team in with one loss regardless of their schedule and how they won their games vs a team who may have played the toughest schedule in the country but lost 2 close games vs top 10 teams? if that’s how the committee wants to evaluate which teams are the top 4 they will achieve only one thing—- continued attempts to water down your regular season schedule
 
That’s not what I’m saying , actual outcomes matter a lot. But should a loss to an undefeated and #6 ranked team on the road on the last play of the game be as a damaging as a loss at home to an unranked Marshall be measured in the same way? They’re both registered as a loss on your record but they’re dramatically different. Bama lost to an undefeated #6 on the road and top 10 LSU both on the road, both last play of the game. They had the # 2 SOS and I think one of 2 teams that could take ga to the wire. I want to see good games not debacles like last night
I’m old enough to remember when Bama “almost lost” to Texas and Texas A&M, two mediocre to bad teams. Bama was wildly inconsistent this year … you don’t get rewarded on potential you get rewarded on results. On the other hand, they did rebound from their loss by shutting out Austin Peay, so there’s that. Bama will be knocking on the door again next year, they will have their chance. I think in all of Nick Saban great run (and it’s been an historic run) he’s only had one or maybe two undefeated seasons. This was not one of his better teams, something(s) are broken on this team because they didn’t show up big in big moments like saban teams normally do. They had no business being in the playoffs.
 
Last night Georgia would have WASTED any team they played. Michgian or Alabama or whoever. They were firing on all cylinders and Bennett was great.

It would have been Georgia 49 and Alabama about 14.
did you watch the last 2 games between Bama and Ga? An sec championship win for Bama and a 1 pt game with 4 minutes to go in the natty which ga eventually won. Btw, Bama was without a 1st and 2nd rd wr and 2 starting db’s in championship game. Ga lost a ton of that talent and it would have been no surprise if Bama beat ga last night
 
I’m old enough to remember when Bama “almost lost” to Texas and Texas A&M, two mediocre to bad teams. Bama was wildly inconsistent this year … you don’t get rewarded on potential you get rewarded on results. On the other hand, they did rebound from their loss by shutting out Austin Peay, so there’s that. Bama will be knocking on the door again next year, they will have their chance. I think in all of Nick Saban great run (and it’s been an historic run) he’s only had one or maybe two undefeated seasons. This was not one of his better teams, something(s) are broken on this team because they didn’t show up big in big moments like saban teams normally do. They had no business being in the playoffs.
Well that’s part of the story. Texas was the first game of the year and in Austin so there’s that and tx A&M was at college station and an injured Young forced a first start for Milroe, who played poorly. implicit in your comments is the thought that ” almost lost” should be weighed against them and I don’t disagree. In the same way that “ almost won” ie vs LSU and tenn should be evaluated accordingly. All W’s and all L‘s are not the same and if they are then take the Michigan and Clemson approach and fill your schedule with softies. Clearly not one of sabans better jobs given the talent he had, uncharacteristically undisciplined and almost dead last in penalties assessed. But they still had #2 SOS and 2 extremely close games vs top 10 teams on the road in the sec so those are the results. TCU probably loses to Mich 4 of 5 times and how do you think they would have fared at LSU and at Tenn?
 
The debate over who should have gotten in is secondary. We could argue all day, which I won't.

But what is interesting is the gap between Georgia and TCU...elite vs less than that. I also consider Ohio State and Alabama elite.

As others noted, TCU got a Michigan team that choked. But got exposed against the Dawgs.

More importantly to me, this speaks to how far Notre Dame is from elite.
Or if you look at it from the perspective of how tight we played OSU, we are a QB away from that last top tier of 3-4
 
losing to an undefeated and # 6 rated team on the road on the last play of the game and then losing to another top 10 team on the road in sec is a lot different then getting curb stomped by Michigan and a L to k st. The hate for Bama on this board is palpable. Bottom line is they were and are one of the top 4 probably top 2 teams. The committee didn’t get the top 4 teams
A top 4 team doesn’t lose twice in the regular season and just miss losing 2 more…
 
Spreading the opportunities around / Bama-SEC fatigue. TCU like Cinncy last year a sentimental pick. if TCU played Bama schedule they would have 4 loses and the team that beat TCU got taken to the woodshed by Bama. I much rather watch a real football game for a national championship contest and Bama vs ga would have been a worthy watch
Bama shouldn't be ranked about Tennessee for crying out loud. They got handled on the field of play. I don't care about injuries after the fact. Tennessee proved to be the better team
 
Or if you look at it from the perspective of how tight we played OSU, we are a QB away from that last top tier of 3-4
or, TOSU played tightand as we have seen they do throw in a kluncker every now and then! there is a noticeable talent gap between ND and tOSU that is obvious to most objective football fans. ND is more likely in the 6-9 range and this is likely it’s niche for the next few years! but we know, ‘on any given Saturday!’
 
Me too because right now the NCAA can’t find more then 2 teams who can compete in a playoff. How in the hell are they going to find 10 more teams who have realistic chances to win. Sad!
It will be interesting to see how sec teams fair with

1. Having to play games outside in the cold

2. Having to play 2 or 3 games in a row with out having a cupcake to rest.
 
True, won/loss records don't always tell the story, but in most sports they are the SOLE CRITERION for making the playoffs. In fact, I can't think of any PRO SPORT where they aren't, and college football is now TRENDING more and more TOWARDS that same sort of PRO FORMAT, now that it's athletes are UNEQUIVOCAL SEMI-PROS.

Sometimes, a lesser and/or wild card team will make it through a MULTI-LAYER playoff run and EVEN WIN IT ALL in which case your point will have been PROVEN in the event in that particular instance. But it doesn't always happen.

So, you have to start SOMEWHERE QUANTITATIVELY MEASUREABLE as the days of CFB CRYSTAL BALL PROGNOSTICATING are passing. And it's a GOOD THING. Who wants to deal with trying to wade through the VAGARIES of a SUBJECTIVE PRONOUNCEMENT by the POWERS ON HIGH that a two-loss team belongs in the playoffs.

From an OPTICS perspective alone, it's too controversial an ARGUMENT -- unless controversy is what you're SEEKING.

One can argue SUBJECTIVELY all day that a 7-9 NFL team belongs in the playoffs more than one that has gotten in at 9-7, but it doesn't MEAN SQUAT. Soon, the same will be true for CFB. Losses will simply be losses, and the more you have, the worse off you will be. In fact, it's already like that. And that's why Bama with its two losses didn't get in.

A more OBJECTIVE MEASURE was needed.
Yes and this is the point. As you stated, “ from an optics perspective alone, it’s too controversial an argument” And obviously the committee had no interest in facing the media screams and non sec fans hollering about sec bias. That’s why I think they failed, they took the easy way out. They simply said team A has 1 L and team B has 2 so team B is out. TCU had some of the best fortune vs bad/mediocre teams and people only questioned bama’s close games. Anyway, can’t believe I’m defending Bama, but I honestly believe they were one of the 4 best teams and would have given a ga a very close game last night
 
or, TOSU played tightand as we have seen they do throw in a kluncker every now and then! there is a noticeable talent gap between ND and tOSU that is obvious to most objective football fans. ND is more likely in the 6-9 range and this is likely it’s niche for the next few years! but we know, ‘on any given Saturday!’
Playing OSU in first game was an advantage and helped us, the less talented team. Usually does. The game was too fast for Buchner that day. But our defense played really well that game.

I didn’t say we are currently in 3-4…said if we get the QB we need we can be in the 3-4 range. Agree we sit currently in the 6-9 range
 
Bama shouldn't be ranked about Tennessee for crying out loud. They got handled on the field of play. I don't care about injuries after the fact. Tennessee proved to be the better team
Handled? Not sure about that. Tenn was undefeated and ranked #6 and it came down to a knuckle ball FG in last seconds of the game. A big assist to officiating crew who flagged Bama 17x’s for 130 yds in one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen. that’s getting “ handled” ? Yeah tenn won and I was rooting for them but didn’t think it would be much of a black mark on Bama
 
Well that’s part of the story. Texas was the first game of the year and in Austin so there’s that and tx A&M was at college station and an injured Young forced a first start for Milroe, who played poorly. implicit in your comments is the thought that ” almost lost” should be weighed against them and I don’t disagree. In the same way that “ almost won” ie vs LSU and tenn should be evaluated accordingly. All W’s and all L‘s are not the same and if they are then take the Michigan and Clemson approach and fill your schedule with softies. Clearly not one of sabans better jobs given the talent he had, uncharacteristically undisciplined and almost dead last in penalties assessed. But they still had #2 SOS and 2 extremely close games vs top 10 teams on the road in the sec so those are the results. TCU probably loses to Mich 4 of 5 times and how do you think they would have fared at LSU and at Tenn?
You lost this debate, badly. No one cares what Alabama did last season. Every team has injuries - and Bama was a deeper team who was better equipped to deal with injuries yet still didn’t. Ohio State lost their best WR in half one of game one. ND inserted a backup QB in week 2. Cry me a river, your Ala-freakin-Bama, have a little pride and own your shortcomings.
 
Handled? Not sure about that. Tenn was undefeated and ranked #6 and it came down to a knuckle ball FG in last seconds of the game. A big assist to officiating crew who flagged Bama 17x’s for 130 yds in one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen. that’s getting “ handled” ? Yeah tenn won and I was rooting for them but didn’t think it would be much of a black mark on Bama
52 pts
567 yards
29 first downs
Out rushed 182-114

Bama was beaten across the board
 
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You lost this debate, badly. No one cares what Alabama did last season. Every team has injuries - and Bama was a deeper team who was better equipped to deal with injuries yet still didn’t. Ohio State lost their best WR in half one of game one. ND inserted a backup QB in week 2. Cry me a river, your Ala-freakin-Bama, have a little pride and own your shortcomings.
Uhm , it’s an opinion and mine is Bama is one of the top 4 teams in the country. With the second best SOS and a beat down of the team that just defeated TCU for their conference championship—,And probably this years poorest conference. I am not a Bama fan but I do try for objectivity. I may have lost this “ debate” but certainly not to you and your gibberish. Everyone is entitled to an opinion , try to present some facts to support yours.
 
Of course I realize that, so what? you don’t think Bama is one of the 4 best teams is that what you’re trying to tell me? They should have been in over OSU and TCU
Osu looked like the 2nd best team or best team when they played Ga. Should have won

So that point made no sense
 
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You lost this debate, badly. No one cares what Alabama did last season. Every team has injuries - and Bama was a deeper team who was better equipped to deal with injuries yet still didn’t. Ohio State lost their best WR in half one of game one. ND inserted a backup QB in week 2. Cry me a river, your Ala-freakin-Bama, have a little pride and own your shortcomings.

THIS. Not sure why the OP is so vehement about Bama being in the playoffs. The playoffs are over until next year. The issue is long past decided. This is an ND board, the last I looked. the interests of Bama are not important to most people here.
 
Styles make fights...

TCU deserved to be there.
They caught a team thst got white hot...
TCU caught Michigan at a moment...

That score was not indicative of anything other than if they played 10 times Georgia wins most.
But..
On the flip side if OSU and UGA rematched OSU might win 6 or 7 of 10 against
UGA
Styles make fights

Jittery...
Very Real thing.
Georgia had it's moment's like that until it broke through last year

Georgia, it was old hat.
TCU looked nervous as hell.
Georgia... just another game.

But yes
..TCU deserved to be one of the 4 involved
How did the SEC look again in the big games???

Good call on them
 
Why are so many in love with just having only the SEC and BIG playing for the National Championship every year? Why not just have the two conference champions play for the title from the start and leave everyone else out- all those other underserving teams?
 
Uhm , it’s an opinion and mine is Bama is one of the top 4 teams in the country. With the second best SOS and a beat down of the team that just defeated TCU for their conference championship—,And probably this years poorest conference. I am not a Bama fan but I do try for objectivity. I may have lost this “ debate” but certainly not to you and your gibberish. Everyone is entitled to an opinion , try to present some facts to support yours.
So far you’ve blamed the refs, the committee, injuries, scheduling, home team advantage, your argument gets weaker every time you open your mouth. Bama shit the bed, 4 times this year and was fortunate to get out of that with only 2 losses. Winners win, losers explain why they almost won. Charlie Weis? Is that you?
 
I hate that TCU performed as poorly as they did because it opens the door for so many horrible takes. OSU has nothing to complain about as far as seeding and how close they were to a Natty. If they are even quasi-competitive in the 2nd half against UM they probably get the 3rd seed and a rematch in the CFP. Being a few plays away from beating the eventual champ means that and only that. TCU did on a neutral field what OSU couldn’t do on their home field. TCU was the better team this season based on the curve that the Buckeyes grade themselves on.

Regarding Bama, I agree that they had one of the four best rosters this season. That has been the case every season since the CFP started. If the committee’s only criteria was selecting the four best teams on paper, then Bama, UGA and OSU would get automatic bids before the season started every year. The rest of CFB would be competing for one at-large spot.
 
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TCU deserved to be there, and won their semifinal. Michigan would've probably been a better final matchup, but they didn't take care of business vs TCU.
 
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