Hope the committee is happy

[BGI User 756]

What was the final score? cherry picking stats is pretty pathetic, try to be balanced. Didn’t Young throw for over 450 yds?

The final score shows Bama lost. The final score of the LSU game also shows that Bama lost. That is why they weren’t in the CFP. Bama also beat a 5 loss Texas team by 1. The same Texas team that lost to Okie State, TT, TCU (the team you are complaining about). Bama beat a 7 loss A+M team by 3.

Cherry picking? Balanced? The irony. Your entire premise of the OP was doing just that! lol.

I showed the stats because Tenn earned the win. They didn’t use fake plays, or interception returns, or punt returns…good ole fashioned running and passing …for 52 points and 29 first downs and close to 600 yards offense…against a team you have tried to, and miserably failed, prove belongs in the CFP

 

[BGI User 756]

Uhm , it’s an opinion and mine is Bama is one of the top 4 teams in the country. With the second best SOS and a beat down of the team that just defeated TCU for their conference championship—,And probably this years poorest conference. I am not a Bama fan but I do try for objectivity. I may have lost this “ debate” but certainly not to you and your gibberish. Everyone is entitled to an opinion , try to present some facts to support yours.

You have presented little facts, so don’t get smug. Your entire thread has been about “what shoulda been…”

 

[NDDadx3]

The final score shows Bama lost. The final score of the LSU game also shows that Bama lost. That is why they weren’t in the CFP. Bama also beat a 5 loss Texas team by 1. The same Texas team that lost to Okie State, TT, TCU (the team you are complaining about). Bama beat a 7 loss A+M team by 3.

Cherry picking? Balanced? The irony. Your entire premise of the OP was doing just that! lol.

I showed the stats because Tenn earned the win. They didn’t use fake plays, or interception returns, or punt returns…good ole fashioned running and passing …for 52 points and 29 first downs and close to 600 yards offense…against a team you have tried to, and miserably failed, prove belongs in the CFP

Fantastic post. Georgia then toyed with the same Tennessee team. To suggest Bama belonged on that field last night is weak. Frankly Bama fans should have a little more self respect than to whine and grovel about this. What’s their point? They would have lost by less? How much less? 28? 35?

 

[burmafrd1943]

did you watch the last 2 games between Bama and Ga? An sec championship win for Bama and a 1 pt game with 4 minutes to go in the natty which ga eventually won. Btw, Bama was without a 1st and 2nd rd wr and 2 starting db’s in championship game. Ga lost a ton of that talent and it would have been no surprise if Bama beat ga last night

What a pile of steaming horse piss
IF IF IF IF IF
is all you got
FACTS are Alabama was pretty ordinary last season and that is a FACT
A so called top 4 team does not lose to 2 lesser teams and nearly lose to two more
You bama fanboobs are a joke

 

[mirer03]

Handled? Not sure about that. Tenn was undefeated and ranked #6 and it came down to a knuckle ball FG in last seconds of the game. A big assist to officiating crew who flagged Bama 17x’s for 130 yds in one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen. that’s getting “ handled” ? Yeah tenn won and I was rooting for them but didn’t think it would be much of a black mark on Bama

Anyone that argues about refs is just silly. They always suck when you lose and get ignored when you win. Refs are part of the game good or bad.

They LOST. In no world should bama be ranked higher than them with a similar record. PERIOD.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Uhm , it’s an opinion and mine is Bama is one of the top 4 teams in the country. With the second best SOS and a beat down of the team that just defeated TCU for their conference championship—,And probably this years poorest conference. I am not a Bama fan but I do try for objectivity. I may have lost this “ debate” but certainly not to you and your gibberish. Everyone is entitled to an opinion , try to present some facts to support yours.

Your opinion is worthless because you are a bama fanboob

 

[burmafrd1943]

Anyone that argues about refs is just silly. They always suck when you lose and get ignored when you win. Refs are part of the game good or bad.

They LOST. In no world should bama be ranked higher than them with a similar record. PERIOD.

I have seen Alabama get a LOT of questionable calls going their way but of course that is different...

 

[88ND]

Me too because right now the NCAA can’t find more then 2 teams who can compete in a playoff. How in the hell are they going to find 10 more teams who have realistic chances to win. Sad!

Stop...

That statement is so childish and shortsighted.

Again...styles make fights...

If that was OSU vs UGA and the the Buckeyes win.....
Which they showed to be within a bad break to be completely victory worthy...

Now what?

Oh yeah...that very team who got decimated at home against Michigan to finish off the year.

Maybe Michigan beats UGA.

Just to clarify you'd rather have football determined by hypothetical victories rather than playing on the field....right?

Exclude me from that thank you very much.

If the NCAA is going to have a playoff then have a real damn playoff. In case you didn't know a playoff is here to stay circa 2014.
We need a real damn playoff because at this point they're all afraid to challenge themselves by playing in adverse situations.
BIG12 can't play tough games outside the big 12 as they play every school in the conference.

Big 10 mostly uses their non conference dates to play D1AA teams.

The SEC uses it's open dates to play D1AA teams and they absolutely positively will never play north the Mason Dixon line post Halloween.

Perhaps this will give an even better regular season. Now the theme is teams won't challenge themselves because it's a race to the end to see who lost the least.

With the new playoff in place maybe...just maybe....teams will try to approach it by saying look who we beat.

Maybe an SEC team ranked #13 can say check out our win against Washington @ Seattle in the middle of November with freezing windy rain.
Maybr the other SEC team ranked 12th and still refusing to play north the Mason Dixon line post Halloween has no other counter argument.

After the first four seeds the remaining eight will be more of who you beat and less about the defeats you have.

You can keep wishing CFB had only these hypothetical outcomes to determine a 4 team playoff where I'd rather things show itself on the field.

 

[88ND]

Your opinion is worthless because you are a bama fanboob

If any other SEC team should've replaced TCU it should've been Tennessee.

No way was Bama getting in. #1 they didn't belong...
#2 the committee then must explain head to head means nothing whatsoever to which other teams would've said, huh? Silly us...all this time head to head was supposed to supersede all else.

The 4 playoff teams were correct. TCU had a terrible game and honestly the Cinderella story just expired one game too early. They were jittery, and luck just ran out.
Georgia was ready, experienced...
Let's not forget UGA took some losses before it finally broke through

 

[HarlemIrish]

so based on that simplistic approach you would put a team in with one loss regardless of their schedule and how they won their games vs a team who may have played the toughest schedule in the country but lost 2 close games vs top 10 teams? if that’s how the committee wants to evaluate which teams are the top 4 they will achieve only one thing—- continued attempts to water down your regular season schedule

You play a season correct? So basically if you’re not in Vatican Square ( SEC) you must go unbeaten if not a 2 loss team from SeC will leapfrog you. TCU played within the parameters of CFB. Georgia whooped them. Ok next. The 93 Irish got screwed. Bama had two losses.

 

[88ND]

You play a season correct? So basically if you’re not in Vatican Square ( SEC) you must go unbeaten if not a 2 loss team from SeC will leapfrog you. TCU played within the parameters of CFB. Georgia whooped them. Ok next. The 93 Irish got screwed. Bama had two losses.

Exactly this ☝️☝️☝️☝️

If he's going to cry foul about Bama's close losses...then by all means he needs to cry the same foul barely escaping games against bad Texas and Texas A&M teams.

 

[NCDomer1]

How bad is the big 12 or whatever conference they call it

 

[NDblitz]

So. TCU beat Michigan, who embarrassed Ohio State, who was a FG away from beating UGA. But TCU didn't belong?

 

[88ND]

How bad is the big 12 or whatever conference they call it

Again....

The shortsighted reaction here is off the charts.
Never played and or coached I take it?

TCU was overwhelmed with the moment.
Georgia was not.
TCU ran out of luck.
Georgia did everything perfect.
TCU packed it in.

It can happen in big games.
So what.

UGA was the better team but they weren't 58 points better. It just got away from both coaches. TCU nothing worked right...
UGA...couldn't slow it down.


12 team playoff is coming.

 

[88ND]

So. TCU beat Michigan, who embarrassed Ohio State, who was a FG away from beating UGA. But TCU didn't belong?

They just don't understand

 

[NDDadx3]

How bad is the big 12 or whatever conference they call it

It’s fair to say that Georgia would win the league easily, Michigan not so much.

 

[d1042]

it is possible that UGA is actually the best team in the country for the ‘22 season

 

[NDblitz]

Let's not forget UGA 49 Oregon 3.

 

[NDblitz]

One of my best friends played OT at USC. We were sitting out on my patio in the fall of 21 and I told him straight up that I do not think anyone other than a southern team can or will consistently win a title. I told him SC or any PAC 12 had no shot. Because of three factors #1 - Demographic shifts, people are moving in droves to the south. And in CA being replaced by nice, small folks who like futbol. #2- lack of quality in state line prospects #3- Kids in the south don't have to move far to find a team with a legit shot at winning a title.

 

[Kelso86]

Thanks for being politically correct and completely gutless. Embarassment

"Thanks for being politically correct and completely gutless. Embarassment"

Atr the end of the season and after the CCG's were played, who would you have put in Einstein?

 

[BM16]

TCU deserved to be there. Undefeated regular season, lost Big 12 CCG by three points in OT. They just ran into an absolute juggernaut.

 

[BGI User 1596]

TCU deserved to be there. Undefeated regular season, lost Big 12 CCG by three points in OT. They just ran into an absolute juggernaut.

Handled Michigan!

 

[tbonesays]

Only problem I had with the committee is should have been UGA-TCU and Mich-OSU game 1. But, it did knock the B10 out of the championship so in the end it was good.

The OSU-UGA was the real championship.

That would guarantee the BUG a spot in the final. What did they do to deserve that? beat Notre Dame by 11 points? They were not the toughest conference and would not have made it through the SEC.

I’m old enough to remember when Bama “almost lost” to Texas and Texas A&M, two mediocre to bad teams. Bama was wildly inconsistent this year … you don’t get rewarded on potential you get rewarded on results. On the other hand, they did rebound from their loss by shutting out Austin Peay, so there’s that. Bama will be knocking on the door again next year, they will have their chance. I think in all of Nick Saban great run (and it’s been an historic run) he’s only had one or maybe two undefeated seasons. This was not one of his better teams, something(s) are broken on this team because they didn’t show up big in big moments like saban teams normally do. They had no business being in the playoffs.

Ask them who did Bama actually beat?

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Well that’s part of the story. Texas was the first game of the year and in Austin so there’s that and tx A&M was at college station and an injured Young forced a first start for Milroe, who played poorly. implicit in your comments is the thought that ” almost lost” should be weighed against them and I don’t disagree. In the same way that “ almost won” ie vs LSU and tenn should be evaluated accordingly. All W’s and all L‘s are not the same and if they are then take the Michigan and Clemson approach and fill your schedule with softies. Clearly not one of sabans better jobs given the talent he had, uncharacteristically undisciplined and almost dead last in penalties assessed. But they still had #2 SOS and 2 extremely close games vs top 10 teams on the road in the sec so those are the results. TCU probably loses to Mich 4 of 5 times and how do you think they would have fared at LSU and at Tenn?

Dude forget what might have been or how much they lost by, or when they lost. THEY LOST, there out ... decided on the field. All these excuses are simply ridiculous

 

[banmate6]

We’re a lot closer than TCU. If you look at the 247 talent composite rankings, ND has nearly more 4 stars than anyone.

The playoff games we had were nowhere near as bad as the game tonight was, and we played the national championship in both. ND is just lacking an elite QB. Put Bryce Young on the 2018 team and we might win the whole thing. 2015 was a potential title team as well if not for BVG.

Georgia or Bama are going to win next year as well, the amount of talent they are hoarding is ludicrous.

Again, there are too many nuances between teams not elite...which is why I make it so binary: elite vs non-elite.

There are very few of the former, membership clearly being difficult. The SEC consistently has 1-2 teams here, with Ohio State consistent enough. Rounded by a Clemson, which seems to have run its cycle here by now.

ND that I love is still far enough away from elite. I don't think an elite QB bridges the gap. The defense needs a rework. Receivers too.

We keep eternally coming back to ND being able to recruit the personnel for being elite. Since Holtz, definitely not. Ironically, the dawning era of transfers and especially NIL can turn this around...if ND gave academic accommodation with a progressive degree path, which we've debated to the nth degree on various threads.

ND has not won since 1988. That is not just a hiatus. It's confirmation of a profound change.

 

[banmate6]

BTW: Alabama did not deserve to get in.

It is difficult to ever pick the best teams for playoffs. Typically it's driven by 1st n positions in various leagues or divisions.

Some divisions/leagues will happen to be stronger or weaker. It is what it is.

The only real way is like soccer. The English Premiere League has all the top teams in 1 league. You play home and away. Obviously the team with the most points wins at the end.

College football would have to have a national premier league. It's not going to happen.

 

[wi_hoosier]

that’s my point, don’t be politically correct just put the best teams in. And Bama vs ga would have been a helluva game. Young now fully recovered and Bama just dismantled the team that beat TCU. the committee knows it and saw the game but proved gutless and went with sentimental favorite—TCU. And the fans got screwed and had to watch this vomit

Yeah... I mean, why even have a season. Just put in the teams everyone thinks are the best.

Where the fans really got screwed was having to watch UGA play in the championship after the refs refused to call a blatant targeting on Marvin Harrison Jr. at a critical point in the game. And, I f'ing hate that I have to defend O$U at all. Same goes for the two big missed calls against Meatchicken.

 

[4-4-3]

Yes and this is the point. As you stated, “ from an optics perspective alone, it’s too controversial an argument” And obviously the committee had no interest in facing the media screams and non sec fans hollering about sec bias. That’s why I think they failed, they took the easy way out. They simply said team A has 1 L and team B has 2 so team B is out. TCU had some of the best fortune vs bad/mediocre teams and people only questioned bama’s close games. Anyway, can’t believe I’m defending Bama, but I honestly believe they were one of the 4 best teams and would have given a ga a very close game last night

And you may be right, but LOSING comes with a PENALTY. And optics aren't the only issue. I also cited the need for an OBJECTIVE CRITERION.

Lou Holtz believed his best team was the 92 edition in the games that remained following the Stanford upset. But what did it matter? That 10-1-1 team -- AS SUBJECTIVLY RANKED -- finished 4th, I believe, and didn't get to play in the NC determining bowl game.

The PENALTY it paid was the LOSS TO STANFORD and the TIE with UM.

What happens on the field over the FULL COURSE OF THE SEASON takes precedence over which team APPEARS TO BE THE BEST at season's end.

 

[savvyandsassier]

It's heartening that most fans on this board were able to imbibe, shall we say, the huge blowout loss for TCU, without having a panic attack, and to maintain a reasonable perspective and equanimity. That perspective being blowouts happen, TCU might have been a little overawed, and UGA is a total badass team that played a great game and things clearly got away from the Horned Frogs, who were always going to be hard pressed to pull off the upset. And there's no basis for any excessive teeth gnashing or hair pulling out, that somehow justice wasn't served with this year's playoff.

 

[notredamerises23]

Bama shouldn't be ranked about Tennessee for crying out loud. They got handled on the field of play. I don't care about injuries after the fact. Tennessee proved to be the better team

No, Tennessee won a game at home and played very well. The Vols didn’t prove to be a better team.

Handled? It was a 52-49 game on the road. 569 yards to 567 yards. 32 first downs to 29. Seems like a toss up. Tennessee won the game but didn’t “prove to be the better team“ by winning a very close game at home. Was Alabama the “better team” over Georgia last year when it won the SEC title game handily? Or was that a one game occurrence? Or was Georgia’s win over Alabama in the title game definitive or was it a one game occurrence? Now, if a team wins handily on the road or handily at home (less so than a road win) then you can use such a game as definitive proof but when a team wins a very close game at home it’s not definitive proof that that team is better.

 

[notredamerises23]

And you may be right, but LOSING comes with a PENALTY. And optics aren't the only issue. I also cited the need for an OBJECTIVE CRITERION.

Lou Holtz believed his best team was the 92 edition in the games that remained following the Stanford upset. But what did it matter? That 10-1-1 team -- AS SUBJECTIVLY RANKED -- finished 4th, I believe, and didn't get to play in the NC determining bowl game.

The PENALTY it paid was the LOSS TO STANFORD and the TIE with UM.

What happens on the field over the FULL COURSE OF THE SEASON takes precedence over which team APPEARS TO BE THE BEST at season's end.

I’ll preface with this as TCU was deserving with the criteria at play, but it wasn’t one of the four best teams. If the goal is to have the four best teams, then you have to go beyond wins and losses and get a more granular level. The models that do go to more granular level show that Alabama is either the second best or third best art where is the fourth best team.

A lot happens on the field other than a final score. Sometimes, there’s definitive proof that one team is better. Other times, a team may win, but in no way did it prove that it was the better team. That’s why you take a look at the entirety of the season and how a team handled its opponents taking a look at every defensive play and every offensive play in non-garbage time minutes. When you do this, a team like Alabama is one of the four best teams.

 

[NIN Irish]

I’ll preface with this as TCU was deserving with the criteria at play, but it wasn’t one of the four best teams. If the goal is to have the four best teams, then you have to go beyond wins and losses and get a more granular level. The models that do go to more granular level show that Alabama is either the second best or third best art where is the fourth best team.

A lot happens on the field other than a final score. Sometimes, there’s definitive proof that one team is better. Other times, a team may win, but in no way did it prove that it was the better team. That’s why you take a look at the entirety of the season and how a team handled its opponents taking a look at every defensive play and every offensive play in non-garbage time minutes. When you do this, a team like Alabama is one of the four best teams.

Chase, this sounds like the f+ model you admire.

 

[Granite45]

Sometimes, there’s definitive proof that one team is better. Other times, a team may win, but in no way did it prove that it was the better team. That’s why you take a look at the entirety of the season and how a team handled its opponents taking a look at every defensive play and every offensive play in non-garbage time minutes.

So then, do you do the same with the outcome fo the final championship game? Evaluate the whole season and decide on the chanpion regardless of which team won the game?

On the field matters. Alabama lost; they did not establish themselves as one of the four best.

 

[Notre Dame du Lac]

12 team playoff is going to have a lot of embarrassing moments for these mid teams.

 

[savvyandsassier]

That's what the expanded playoff is going to mercifully bring to an end, and it can't come soon enough. This, almost this form of madness among CFB fans, this horrible, morbid, completely misplaced and misguided obsession with who the 'best' teams are. And who 'deserves' to be champion or not.

THE WINNER OF THE GAME IS THE TEAM THAT DESERVES IT. THAT'S THE CHAMPION, BY DEFINITION. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE....

Only in big-time college sports, ONLY IN BIG-TIME COLLEGE SPORTS IN THIS COUNTRY.... does a smoke-filled-room star chamber 'committee' decide the fate of, and hand-pick, on their own say-so and personal judgement, who will make the playoff tournament and become the eventual champion. As far as I know everywhere else in the world, champions of various sports and leagues, and entree into various championship tournaments, like the World Cup in soccer, are decided entirely by the results on the field. Everything... and there is no other criteria. None!

And this is what reactionary CFB fans like to trumpet as what makes big-time CFB different and better. When in actuality it is demonstrably perverse, and really at this point is almost like a societal ill in American life. Enough with the utterly counterproductive and terrible and truly mind-numbing arguing and posturing and bloviating about which team is better than some other team - in one's opinion....

It is so antithetical to the very essence of athletic competition that it makes your head spin.

 

[BM16]

12 team playoff is going to have a lot of embarrassing moments for these mid teams.

It might, I mean Tulane would have beat USC and then probably gotten steamrolled by their next opponent.

But as they say, that's why they play the game.

 

[Notre Dame du Lac]

It might, I mean Tulane would have beat USC and then probably gotten steamrolled by their next opponent.

But as they say, that's why they play the game.

As another poster stated, 12 team playoff is going to cheapen the regular season. These games are pointless. If you can't recruit a top 10 class, you are not going to compete and it's a waste of time and money.

On a more positive note, it would be fun to watch Caleb Williams lose by 60 to Georgia.

 

[baron100]

Yeah... I mean, why even have a season. Just put in the teams everyone thinks are the best.

Where the fans really got screwed was having to watch UGA play in the championship after the refs refused to call a blatant targeting on Marvin Harrison Jr. at a critical point in the game. And, I f'ing hate that I have to defend O$U at all. Same goes for the two big missed calls against Meatchicken.

Agreed on the refs and many cases all year. pretty damn bad when refs are making such a huge impact but I don’t see it getting better. pi, linemen holding, targeting, what’s a catch, touching a qb , all seem to have a lot of subjectivity to the calls. They could start by saying if a jersey is grabbed it’s a penalty because o linemen and db’s do it on every play and sometimes it’s called and sometimes not

 

[baron100]

The final score shows Bama lost. The final score of the LSU game also shows that Bama lost. That is why they weren’t in the CFP. Bama also beat a 5 loss Texas team by 1. The same Texas team that lost to Okie State, TT, TCU (the team you are complaining about). Bama beat a 7 loss A+M team by 3.

Cherry picking? Balanced? The irony. Your entire premise of the OP was doing just that! lol.

I showed the stats because Tenn earned the win. They didn’t use fake plays, or interception returns, or punt returns…good ole fashioned running and passing …for 52 points and 29 first downs and close to 600 yards offense…against a team you have tried to, and miserably failed, prove belongs in the CFP

The final score shows Bama lost. The final score of the LSU game also shows that Bama lost. That is why they weren’t in the CFP. Bama also beat a 5 loss Texas team by 1. The same Texas team that lost to Okie State, TT, TCU (the team you are complaining about). Bama beat a 7 loss A+M team by 3.

Cherry picking? Balanced? The irony. Your entire premise of the OP was doing just that! lol.

I showed the stats because Tenn earned the win. They didn’t use fake plays, or interception returns, or punt returns…good ole fashioned running and passing …for 52 points and 29 first downs and close to 600 yards offense…against a team you have tried to, and miserably failed, prove belongs in the CFP

so you don’t think Bama was one of the top 4 teams in the country? so what’s your point on tenn? They had the # 1 offense in the country, they put up lots of pts vs everyone. when did I say they didn’t earn the game? Yeah they won and they were the #6 team in the country playing at home. Good for them, they’re a really good team. How much should Bama be penalized for that when final evaluations are made? I don’t think that’s a bad loss ,similar to our loss to OSU at home early and nd faithful saying that won’t hurt us much in eyes of committee. with the # 2 ranked sos and losses to 2 really good teams on the road in the sports toughest conference I still believe Bama was one of the 4 best teams. I believe the committee went with the Cinderella story and why OSU was in over Bama, ( a win over PSU!?) is again taking the easy way out. I think this approach only encourages schools to schedule complete cupcakes. Michigan has 3 wins over the last 2 years vs top 20 schools yet have finished the #3 the last 2 years. You can hate them all you want but I still think they were one of the top 4 teams in the country

 

[baron100]

You have presented little facts, so don’t get smug. Your entire thread has been about “what shoulda been…”

you’re not a very good reader, I’ve presented many facts. And yours? I can’t stand Alabama but some of you guys allow your hatred for that program to prevent any objectivity.