Game day thread. Sun bowl

[notredamerises23]

Because we look at some of their rankings and just laugh and laugh and laugh.

It's the worst ranking system I've personally seen

This seems really ignorant when betting sites basically mirror the systems rankings when they make opening betting lines. F+ has Texas at about a three-point favorite over Washington on a neutral field, and the betting lines opened up with Texas being about a 3.5 to 4 point favorite.. again and again, and again, the betting lines mirror what F+ shows.

I think a fundamental misunderstanding about granular systems such as this one is that whatever output that’s out there is predictive about what would happen given multiple multiple simulations, but that does not mean that will always be true of a one game scenario.

Again, I don’t want to believe the point, but I’m not sure what industry any of the posters here seem to work in, but granular data systems are used to inform just about every decision and this system is the only one that’s available for free.

 

[Pennick4]

This Oregon State defense is really, really bad. Should be shredding them in the passing game. Got guys wide open everywhere

Thanks Stevie Wonder....good analysis. 🙄

 

[Golson5]

I agree, but they didn't bring Leonard in to sit on the bench.

He said 2025

 

[ftnfan62]

Does Univ of Chicago still play? Let’s get a game to wipe the never beat slate.

 

[Golson5]

This seems really ignorant when betting sites basically mirror the systems rankings when they make opening betting lines. F+ has Texas at about a three-point favorite over Washington on a neutral field, and the betting lines opened up with Texas being about a 3.5 to 4 point favorite.. again and again, and again, the betting lines mirror what F+ shows.

I think a fundamental misunderstanding about granular systems such as this one is that whatever output that’s out there is predictive about what would happen given multiple multiple simulations, but that does not mean that will always be true of a one game scenario.

Again, I don’t want to believe the point, but I’m not sure what industry any of the posters here seem to work in, but granular data systems are used to inform just about every decision and this system is the only one that’s available for free.

Is awful at ranking teams

Move on

 

[NDinNJ]

He said 2025

Oh my bad. Well if Carr is who everyone says he is, then I doubt it.

 

[ftnfan62]

Gary Daniel’s is like Biden with these statements. “Delay of game out of a time out”. Haha. That was just a bit before. 😎

 

[notredamerises23]

You do realize Vegas doesn't rank teams. Also please explain to me how Oregon is ranked #2 after they had 2 cracks at Washington and lost both.Also PSU ranked 5th with losses to both OSU and Michigan.

Explain to me how 2 loss Oregon is ranked ahead of Georgia, Alabama, FSU?

Are you saying the top 4 in the CFP should have been Michigan, Oregon, Georgia, OSU?

See, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. F+ doesn’t rank teams, either.

The system is not saying that this one team is categorically better than another, nor is it making some statement about “goodness.”

It is saying that given all the snaps on offense, and all the snaps on defense, and all the snaps on special teams, and when you take away garbage time, and when you factor in opponent strength, and when you factor in luck that these teams have performed the best over all of these snaps AND given multiple simulations, the predictive outcome would be this separation of points based on the total points in the system.

So, the system thinks that given all the snaps that have been played that Oregon is an overall better team than Washington, but Washington happened to play better over the course of two different games although one could argue that Oregon out played Washington in the first game. Now something that’s going to cause issues with many of you who can’t seem to think outside of black-and-white is that if they do play again on the neutral field, Vegas will favor Oregon in that game.

F+ favors Texas by three points over Washington on a neutral field. The opening line between Texas and Washington was 3.5 points.

 

[edub72]

The ref caused the delay of game penalty. He was in the way!!!!!

 

[notredamerises23]

Is awful at ranking teams

Move on

See, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. F+ doesn’t rank teams.

The system is not saying that this one team is categorically better than another, nor is it making some statement about “goodness.”

It is saying that given all the snaps on offense, and all the snaps on defense, and all the snaps on special teams, and when you take away garbage time, and when you factor in opponent strength, and when you factor in luck that these teams have performed the best over all of these snaps AND given multiple simulations, the predictive outcome would be this separation of points based on the total points in the system.

But we don’t get the benefit of multiple simulations, and we have one game scenarios in which many different things can happen.

 

[Golson5]

See, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. F+ doesn’t rank teams, either.

The system is not saying that this one team is categorically better than another, nor is it making some statement about “goodness.”

It is saying that given all the snaps on offense, and all the snaps on defense, and all the snaps on special teams, and when you take away garbage time, and when you factor in opponent strength, and when you factor in luck that these teams have performed the best over all of these snaps AND given multiple simulations, the predictive outcome would be this separation of points based on the total points in the system.

So, the system thinks that given all the snaps that have been played that Oregon is an overall better team than Washington, but Washington happened to play better over the course of two different games although one could argue that Oregon out played Washington in the first game. Now something that’s going to cause issues with many of you who can’t seem to think outside of black-and-white is that if they do play again on the neutral field, Vegas will favor Oregon in that game.

F+ favors Texas by three points over Washington on a neutral field. The opening line between Texas and Washington was 3.5 points.

No one cares. Awful system

 

[HuddleBurger]

I love how they're marketing this friggin candy cereal as some type of super food for athletes.

 

[ftnfan62]

Nice pass by Angelli. Better contested catch. Didn’t see any of those with Rico

 

[ftnfan62]

Good first drive too. Took time off. Put up points. That’s a good 10 pt swing in the last 5 min.

 

[NDinNJ]

See, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the system. F+ doesn’t rank teams, either.

F+ absolutely rates teams. lol clueless. 😂 hence why they have teams rated.

BCF Toys - 2023 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

 

[BGI User 1596]

I love how they're marketing this friggin candy cereal as some type of super food for athletes.

Good for drug companies pushing type 2 diabetes chemicals!

 

[ftnfan62]

Angelli is playing well in a very conservative don’t lose scheme. He is like the previous numerous ND QB’s that can’t “win” a game but doesn’t lose it.

I’m glad we got him but Carr and Duece can win a game you need. I’m glad we got him but he is a lifetime backup at a top 10 team.

 

[ftnfan62]

Man I’m glad cross is coming back!!

 

[notredamerises23]

Yeah, Vegas doesn’t have a clue, I guess that’s why the build Billion dollar hotel-casinos and send jets and limos to bring gamblers to Vegas and then give those gamblers free suites, food and drink.

You don’t have a clue as to how Vegas sets the opening line, over/under, etc., etc..

Of course Vegas knows what it is doing, which is my entire point. I mentioned for people to take a look at the opening lines on neutral fields and the F+ system— opening lines on neutral fields with no drastic injuries (or players coming back from injuries ) or coaching changes, etc., on betting sites and the point spread in the F+ closely mirror each other.

I don’t think anybody could possibly argue that betting sites don’t know what they’re doing, and if their opening lines mirror closely what the F+system has then one would think that people would take a look at it and give it some credence

Obviously, betting sites have their own proprietary data models and then adjust based on recent events and then reaction to how the money is coming in, but as someone who has spent a lot of time wagering on sports, it’s fascinating to see how closely these opening spreads mirror each other.

 

[bizzybecknd]

I guess winning this game would be nice. But does winning the Frosted Flakes bowl really give a program momentum?

No doubt. The momentum is within the program, building confidence from the coaches to the players. 10 wins is a nice season and sure as hell beats losing the Frosted Flakes bowl.

 

[notredamerises23]

F+ absolutely rates teams. lol clueless. 😂 hence why they have teams rated.

BCF Toys - 2023 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

Those aren’t rankings as in “this is the goodness of a team.” Yes, you see a number one and a number two and so on but those are the total predictive points given all the snaps that have been played on all sides of the ball by the team and the teams opponents and then their opponents. In the system, some team has to have the most, and then the second most, and so on.

It’s apparent that you and others simply don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand neons such as this.

 

[Irish_Mutt]

The offense has been really balanced. I'm really pleased with how they look.

 

[notredamerises23]

Completely dominant performance. 30-10 in possession. Oregon State only has five first downs. Dominant.

 

[NDinNJ]

I like how they are changing plays at the LoS. Hadn't seen that during the season.

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

The offense has been really balanced. I'm really pleased with how they look.

Gino calling a good game

 

[NCDomer1]

Wish he was healthy all year. He’s a stud

He could be a tight end

 

[Golson5]

Faison is a stud

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Faison reminds me of Joey Geathrall (sp?). Amazing how this guy fell on ND's lap. His future is bright.

 

[NDinNJ]

Those aren’t rankings as in “this is the goodness of a team.” Yes, you see a number one and a number two and so on but those are the total predictive points given all the snaps that have been played on all sides of the ball by the team and the teams opponents and then their opponents. In the system, some team has to have the most, and then the second most, and so on.

It’s apparent that you and others simply don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand neons such as this.

Well, having Oregon rated higher than Washington after Washington BEAT them TWICE makes ZERO sense. I prefer to rate teams based on head to head matchups. Washington 2 - Oregon 0

At the end of the day F+ is a garbage rating system.

 

[chaseball]

The player development looks good out there. Anytime you start getting big contributions from unlikely places, it's always a good sign of player development.

 

[ftnfan62]

Good for drug companies pushing type 2 diabetes chemicals!

I grew up on it. Played CFB and still look good. There is something in there!! 😎

 

[chaseball]

Offensive line with 4 new guys breaking in has been fantastic.

 

[ftnfan62]

Can’t argue with Steve’s management of game tho. Looking good.

 

[Golson5]

The player development looks good out there. Anytime you start getting big contributions from unlikely places, it's always a good sign of player development.

Lot of good coaches on staff

 

[sjb75]

Faison reminds me of Joey Geathrall (sp?). Amazing how this guy fell on ND's lap. His future is bright.

Credit Brady Quinn.

The story how Faison got to South Bend is pretty cool.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Gino calling a good game

Yeah really missing Parker! Lols

 

[ftnfan62]

Price has some moves.

 

[NDinNJ]

Hope ND scores on this next offensive series. Would like to see a bit of Minchey. See what he's got.

 

[Irish_Mutt]

I'm not ready to crown him a future All American but Angeli has been really good in his first start. Hope he's patient and sticks around, only takes one play to lose Leonard.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Angeli has some wheels!