So they can struggle at texas am with better players but we can't? Makes perfect sense, got it 🤣
Deuce Knight
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Alabama can play texas am close and still be considered an elite team because of their track record (F+ ranking, team talent, SEC championships, national championships, etc.)
NDs track record is that of a program that will play a mid-teens team like 2024 Texas A&M close (if not lose to them). it's a 50/50 kind of game.
When you are a legit NC contender, you aren't an underdog vs mid-teens-ranked-teams
When you are a legit NC contender, you run over teams like '24 Texas A&M or at least make easy work of them.
If you are a legit NC contender, you shouldn't be in a dogfight struggling to stop the 13th ranked team in the country or struggling to move the ball against them.
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Wow that's a lot of nonsense and unimportant talk right there
You said - When you are a legit NC contender, you run over teams like '24 Texas A&M or at least make easy work of them.
If you are a legit NC contender, you shouldn't be in a dogfight struggling to stop the 13th ranked team in the country or struggling to move the ball against them.
That has to be one of your dumbest posts and that's saying something.
So, a top team should blow out the number 13 team? Every time? Why even play the games then? Let's just go straight to the Final Four.
Look at NDs performance vs the top 5 in the country over the last 20 some years to get an idea of what i mean. They don't get ran over every single time by top 5 teams .. but in aggregate its non competitive.
A legit tier 1 team/NC contender makes easy work of mid top 25 teams the very large majority of time.
What happened in the past is meaningless to this season. Get out of Am with a win and we're looking good for a big year
Well, then please provide your expert opinion as to why Georgia Tech (unranked) just beat the #10 team?
I wasn't referencing NDs last 20 years to say that those teams are this years team. I referenced NDs performance as a mid-teens-team vs tier 1 teams over the last 20 years to say that's how tier 1 teams perform against mid-teens-teams. As an ND fan you've had front row seats to it. Tier 1 teams dominate mid-teens-teams (especially in aggregate).
I've never made the point that unranked teams dont beat ranked teams.
Oh, but you certainly dwell on star ratings for recruits.
FSU has all those 4 and 5-star recruits and GT has NONE.
So much for your jock-sniffing.
Bama had a lot more than one tough game in College Station. A&M isn't Auburn but the game with Bama was usually very competitive.
OMG that was this morning?
Talent is only one component.
The best teams in the country are teams stacked with the best talent (as per 247 team talent composite) https://247sports.com/Season/2024-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ and this is a REALLY IMPORTANT/BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT part of the puzzle.
But the best teams in the country also have the best coaching in the country as well (best player development, best scheme, best leadership, etc.).
ALL of it is important.
I think FSU clearly is the more talented team than GT is, and I think they are an ascending program under Norvell and this loss to (#40 Georgia Tech) has probably more to do with just plain bad luck, small sample size (e.g. FSU probably wins that game 9 times out of 10), and FSU not being good enough in the other components (coaching, talent, etc.) to be able to mitigate the bad luck.
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If you go by 247 rankings. GT has 14 4 star recruits. No 5 stars.
FSUs last 2 games are signs of descending
Got embarrassed vs Ga, now gets upset against GT
Bad look for Norvell
Nice fact check. I think the overall point he's making is pretty clear though (a point I responded to a few posts up in this thread).
What are your thoughts on Noah Grubbs?
Big kid, big arm? Playing against great Florida competition?
He's a big kid. I don't think he has a big arm, it's solid to me but nothing that stands out. He's just not very athletic and I like my QBs in cfb that can move and extend plays and run for first downs when needed. Just a personal preference. I think he's a good prospect but not on the level of Carr or Duece. Like I said before, I hope I'm proven wrong or I hope good jr and sr film changes my mind
The teams he plays against are good Florida competition but not the best league
Golson, have you seen tape of him this year? I haven’t; but I’ve read he has a very big arm, can make all the throws, and lost 20-30 lbs and is significantly more agile and mobile than last year.
I’m not high on grubbs at all. Don’t think he’s bad, but think he’s a development depth prospect.
What disappoints me with most is they think deuce isn’t a big loss because they are believing Carr is absolutely it. That’s putting all your chips on the table for a player that hasn’t played one snap of college football. I think Carr will be good but would prefer Carr va deuce as qb in 25 and let the beat man win, the other can transfer. Now, if Carr isn’t all that nd is back to portal…. Again!
If Carr isn't "all that", you think they'd hit the portal for a 1-year (2025) rental, instead of going with Angeli or Minchey?
At this point, I think I'd take Angeli or Minchey over a portal QB for 25.
imo one year portal qbs are a bridge gap not a yearly culture program building strategy
I would prefer were home grown after this year
Here’s a question. Why do so many people feel Duece is a “ can’t miss “ recruit ? Maybe he’s gonna be great. Maybe he’s not. No one knows. If he sticks with ND , great! They get what they hope is a game changer at QB. If he goes elsewhere, then move on. It sucks. But it’s what happens a lot throughout the recruiting process. Also let’s not forget if he stayed and was on the team next year and and didn’t play , who’s to say he wouldn’t transfer . My point is this. Don’t get caught up in the “ it’s a disaster “ if ND misses on a recruit. Many don’t pan out anyway. Either way , they will be fine at the QB position. There’s a lot of competition and that bodes well for ND.
Noah Grubbs is a 16-year/old junior in HS with a very good arm. Pocket guy. I very much like his chances to be a very good CFB QB in 3-4 years.
Hes still making a fair point.
When it comes to recruiting most guys fail to reach the 2-deep at this level let alone develop into stars. That's why there are 85 schollies. Most guys won't make it. You need HIGH QUANTITY OF HIGH QUALITY prospects when it comes to recruiting your 85 man roster
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Much? I am surprised you take the time to address anything chaseball posts.
And I mean anything.
Deuce is a talent and appears to be a really good fit in Denbrocks offense, and there’s no question a de-commit will hurt our qb room next year, as of today. But, we have no idea who the staff might flip in this scenario; and, we still have Angeli and Minchey to compete with Carr next year. In fact, I think a fourth year Angeli and third year Minchey might give Carr equal or better competition than true freshman Deuce. Deuce may very well be missed big time, but I don’t think it will be next year.
As for Grubb’s, let’s discuss his development and potential after his junior season.
They don't think that. They love Deuce and want him in the class. Of course they think it would be a big loss. They thought he was the the top or 2nd best QB in the class
Carr is the real deal but we still need more
Dude, you should love Texas A&M. Their recent classes are pretty much all four star or higher prospects. That's probably the reason they even made the top 25, on account of they're so loaded with raw talent if nothing else. So I don't know why you wouldn't be giving A&M more shrift. They have what you crave so desperately, what you repeat over and over again ND has to have if they ever want to win big. They got the elite raw talent. And now ND's comparatively middling roster is expected to beat them ease....
No, he was putting words in peoples mouth, like you are.
Why is Prime avoiding some media? Where did the swagger go?
Wore an Auburn towel in his game last night. Not ideal right? Lol. No way we lose to A&M and lose Deuce in the same weekend right?
Kyngstonn Viliamu-Asa wore visible Ohio St. gear all the time before announcing for Notre Dame.
Deuce is clearly trending towards an Auburn commitment, expected next week. But, a convincing ND win today and a loss by Auburn to Alabama A & M today might give him second thoughts. Hoping for both.
This decision is beyond game results IMO.
If game results mattered, SEC also ran Auburn would be out of the picture.
