Completely abandoning why you went to the portal to get Hartman

[BleedingBlueNGold]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

 

[Patrirish]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

That’s not true, Hartman was 16 for 24 for a 67 % CP and a 7.6 YPA against the # 6 team in the country.

Without Hartman we’re mediocre !

 

[Airzee23]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

 

[Fightingirish595]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

I disagree vehemently. We only had 7 real possessions. And 2 of them ended with Hartman with the ball on his hands on 4th down. 2 touchdown drives. A missed fg. And 2 punts.

That play action and screen pass was malpractice

 

[mirer03]

The screen pass was a great call and was open. OSU made an amazing play on that ball. It was 20 yards plus and was wide open otherwise.

 

[NotreDomer1]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

Pyne just wasn’t good enough. He can have his moments sure, but that’s all they’ll ever be. The USC defense is not the OSU defense

 

[NDblitz]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

SC defense is not Ohio state defense

 

[NDblitz]

Defense is optional at SC

 

[tbone3114]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

Ohio State‘s defense and USC’s defense aren’t even in the same book! Lol

 

[Patrirish]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

You neglected to state that Pyne threw an interception !

How convenient of you !

 

[Patrirish]

The screen pass was a great call and was open. OSU made an amazing play on that ball. It was 20 yards plus and was wide open otherwise.

Risk/reward, the clock was on your side, why take a chance ?

 

[TalentedMrRippley]

The point being is you have to go deep to loosen up the defense. You can't play not to lose

 

[Patrirish]

Hartman rarely ever went down field tonight. Pyne has hit two big strikes on the USC defense in the second half. One for a TD. He’s got ASU on the move to take the lead. Big 3rd down coming up to start the 4th.

18 for 31 for 58 % CP and 7.7 YPA and an INT ……… YAWN !

 

[notredamerises23]

SC defense is not Ohio state defense

Not only that, the defense is completely relaxed in that game because they know that the offense can score whenever it likes.

 

[Patrirish]

The point being is you have to go deep to loosen up the defense. You can't play not to lose

Who played not to lose ?

And when ?

 

[BM16]

The screen pass was a great call and was open. OSU made an amazing play on that ball. It was 20 yards plus and was wide open otherwise.

Yep, that might have been a touchdown. OSU had nobody on that side of the field to cover that had it been completed.

 

[Zeester]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

I agree. ND did not go down the field and that is what Harman can do for you; and has done up until we got ultra conservative. This game is 100% on the coaches. This should have been a win.

 

[Zeester]

That’s not true, Hartman was 16 for 24 for a 67 % CP and a 7.6 YPA against the # 6 team in the country.

Without Hartman we’re mediocre !

Not what he was saying, let Hartman throw the ball down the field - he is great at it!!

 

[Zeester]

Who played not to lose ?

And when ?

The coaches, the whole game.

 

[IrishMike409]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

We threw downfield. The WRs couldn’t get separation from their DBs.

 

[Patrirish]

The coaches, the whole game.

That statement is beyond absurd

 

[HDK]

Notre Dame board questions: Why didn't we just score TDs on every play?

Answer: Because the other team is playing defense.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

We threw downfield. The WRs couldn’t get separation from their DBs.

How quickly they forget. Hartman tried Jayden Thomas down the left side and while it should've been a PI it was missed. Regardless if you miss that shot you're not behind the sticks.

 

[irishwolfpack]

I disagree vehemently. We only had 7 real possessions. And 2 of them ended with Hartman with the ball on his hands on 4th down. 2 touchdown drives. A missed fg. And 2 punts.

That play action and screen pass was malpractice

If JD runs it a tad deeper, or Hartman lofts it a tad more, he may have scored on the screen.

 

[Patrirish]

If JD runs it a tad deeper, or Hartman lofts it a tad more, he may have scored on the screen.

And if it’s incomplete….. what happens to the clock at a time when seconds are precious ?

 

[Bob_Oxnard]

The least appreciated reality of football is that offense depends a lot on the quality of the defense against which you are trying to run plays. Ohio State has five star and high four star players all over its defense. That makes it harder to do everything. Yea, it’s a basic point, but one that is still under-appreciated by our fans.

Our two best wide receivers, by far, are Thomas and Greathouse. They didn’t play last night. Greathouse being a late scratch probably really hurt because presumably he was a big part of the game plan.

The most disappointing things about last night on offense were:

A. Failing to get the ball to Love and Price in the pass game. Inexcusable.

B. Failing to mix in some more diverse running plays, such as off tackle runs.

C. Failing to run a jet sweep or two just to keep Duke’s defense honest.

I like Parker overall so far, but last night wasn’t a good game for him.

 

[BGI User 756]

Notre Dame board questions: Why didn't we just score TDs on every play?

Answer: Because the other team is playing defense.

Lol

 

[BGI User 756]

The least appreciated reality of football is that offense depends a lot on the quality of the defense against which you are trying to run plays. Ohio State has five star and high four star players all over its defense. That makes it harder to do everything. Yea, it’s a basic point, but one that is still under-appreciated by our fans.

Our two best wide receivers, by far, are Thomas and Greathouse. They didn’t play last night. Greathouse being a late scratch probably really hurt because presumably he was a big part of the game plan.

The most disappointing things about last night on offense were:

A. Failing to get the ball to Love and Price in the pass game. Inexcusable.

B. Failing to mix in some more diverse running plays, such as off tackle runs.

C. Failing to run a jet sweep or two just to keep Duke’s defense honest.

I like Parker overall so far, but last night wasn’t a good game for him.

Agree on all those points. They keyed Estime and run blitzed all night

 

[sjb75]

Notre Dame board questions: Why didn't we just score TDs on every play?

Answer: Because the other team is playing defense.

I have stated this often. The other team, Ohio St. and Duke the last two weeks, both have 85 scholarships as well.

And if Mike Elko, with good defensive personnel, wants to take away the run and key on Estime all night, then the result should not be surprising. That's why Evans had a big night.

 

[Kelso86]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

Also hurts when 3 of your top WR's are out of the game, and the defense is daring to you to throw it. And Elko, a very good defensive guy -- knew this. And knew how to devise a game plan as well.

Meanwhile, ND is relying on a freshman (Flores), and converted RB (Tyree), Merriweather (who better his his backside in gear) -- not sure there were any other WR's -- 2 TE's. It will be nice to get some bodies back in the lineup

Out
Thomas
Greathouse
Colzie
Salerno
KK Smith
James (deemed not ready to contribute)

 

[Kelso86]

Notre Dame board questions: Why didn't we just score TDs on every play?

Answer: Because the other team is playing defense.

Quit bringing logic into the discussion! lol

 

[geisha]

Why did we snag Hartman just to hand the ball off in a big time game? I have been in favor of Marcus Freeman thus far, but I feel in big time match ups he gets ultra conservative the way BK always used to. Coaching afraid to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game and run up the score.

For what it was, our passing game was nothing but dinks and dunks. We got Hartman so he could take over a game like this and we run it 38 times instead.

Only explanation I can think of is our wide receivers are that bad that they were having trouble getting open in the Ohio State secondary. Hartman has to be thinking to himself, "I came back for a 6th year for this?"

Curious if you read Eric's article prior to posting. The last two games we played against #12 OSU and #6 Duke in pass efficiency defense. OSU #6 in total D Duke #19. Scoring Defense OSU #2 Duke #7. That coupled with the lack of outside receiver play is the reason IMO. How many QBs or offenses have played against this competition so far this year.

 

[Patrirish]

Not what he was saying, let Hartman throw the ball down the field - he is great at it!!

He did, didn’t you watch the Duke game ?