Can someone explain something ?
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Your premise is wrong. Yes we won. Our offense has always sucked We had fits of offensive success under Kelly with Kiser, the Floyd, Tate, years. But never a great passing threat. So I don’t buy Rees being good, successful with wins yes. A really good o coordinator, not that much. Now if we get a versatile qb. Maybe Carr or Minchey or Buckley with a good o line. Then things might take a leap for Rees. I have not written him off. I think his Achilles heel has been the qb position
So let me get this straight, according to you, winning games is meaningless for an OC !
He WASN'T! He was NEVER the reason why we WON and he still ISN'T, period end of CONVERSATION! Is that how you do it 4-4-3?
No. That’s not at all what I said. Winning is only part of it. Where’s the balance? The variety? The consistency? Now as I said, maybe with a good qb Rees may put it all together.
The balance is in your win-loss record !
The variety is in your won-loss record
The consistency is in consistently WINNING !
His won-loss record totally refutes your position !
What has 4-4-3 got to do with this ?
Kelly built the offense and Rees called the plays to fit the plan Kelly wanted
Everything is on Rees now
Why ask me? You seem to know what you're doing.
But to answer your question, NO, IT'S NOT HOW I DO IT. I mount arguments.
And when did I ever write a two-sentence post?
My SNEEZES last longer than that.
Brian Kelly was the OC his entire tenure at Notre Dame, and continues at LSU.
Tommy Rees and Mike Denbrock simply did/do what they were/are told.
Common sense isn’t so common !
So you just made this up and posted it as factual.
That’s about as intellectually dishonest as you can get !
And, it totally erodes your credibility !
Success and Reese in a same sentence?
He was not successful as a QB or OC
1. He wasnt very successful
But the real answer is
He had a QB and this year we dont
Simple
Has nothing to do with Kelly or anything else
Brian Kelly was an offensive coach, he was an offensive coordinator, he was a play caller for many years. He was a resource on the headsets and likely was providing guidance and feedback. Marcus Freeman is none of those things. If Rees gets stuck, like he did against Marshall, Stanford and the 2nd half vs Navy. He has no one available to help him get unstuck.
As i said before, Brian Kelly could coach another 1,000 football games and not go an entire 2nd half with 12 yards, 1 turnover, 0 points and 0 first downs. Keep in mind, ND was not playing the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were playing an outmanned 3-7 Naval Academy football team,
Also keep in mind ND was shut out the 1st half, vs a 3-7 Stanford team. Rees is a 30-year-old OC/Play caller, he needs help, not criticism. Especially, considering the limitations at QB. Something else to remember. In 2021, BK looked at his QB room and saw Buchner & Pyne. He went out and got Coan. This year Marcus Freeman looked at the QB room, and saw Buchner and Pyne, and he did nothing in the portal.
When Marcuse Freeman announced Buchner as the starter, he specifically mentioned both QB; s would likely be playing. So, Marcus Freeman totally owns the 2022 QB situation. Deal with it!
As i said before, Brian Kelly could coach another 1,000 football games and not go an entire 2nd half with 12 yards, 1 turnover, 0 points and 0 first downs. Keep in mind, ND was not playing the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were playing an outmanned 3-7 Naval Academy football team,
Also keep in mind ND was shut out the 1st half, vs a 3-7 Stanford team. Rees is a 30-year-old OC/Play caller, he needs help, not criticism. Especially, considering the limitations at QB. Something else to remember. In 2021, BK looked at his QB room and saw Buchner & Pyne. He went out and got Coan. This year Marcus Freeman looked at the QB room, and saw Buchner and Pyne, and he did nothing in the portal.
When Marcuse Freeman announced Buchner as the starter, he specifically mentioned both QB; s would likely be playing. So, Marcus Freeman totally owns the 2022 QB situation. Deal with it!
No no no. Balance is play calling mix. Rees has none so far
Variety is the type of plays in the play call mix ie pass plays can be screens, slants, pro, deep mid or short. Etc. Rees has minimal variety.
Consistency is opposite of not going flat in second half vs Navy. Having an offense vs Marshall n Stanford.
Rees is very inconsistent. So based on above Rees has a way to go. And I think a good qb can free him to be better
Brian Kelly being in charge of the entire offense everywhere he has been including Notre Dame and LSU is simply common knowledge. Tommy Rees/Mike Denbrock simply carry out his plan.
Every year the offense looked almost exactly the same no matter who the OC was, just different players under Kelly. For example, we ran the same RPO plays with Wimbush as we did Coan despite teams not respectin wimbush throwing or coan running.
Every time we had a new DC the defense was completely different (other than elko/lea due to same tree).
So, you can make accurate assumption the offense was kelly's design and he allowed the DC to design their D.
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QB makes a huge impact on how you call a game. Book made things a little easier for Tommy.
My biggest knock on Tommy is not how he calls a game. My issue with Tommy is his lack of QB recruiting. I am sorry but Pyne has no business on this roster. TB is still a question mark. Carr is good but not the game changer ND needs.
But he could actually lose to Navy (twice) lose to usf, northwestern, tulsa, duke
Kelly and Rees own this QB mess.
Good thing Freeman is here and recruiting is changing. Minchey and Carr
I disagree with several premises that you make. Before march the Freeman,i'm sure he didn't have any say in what quarterbacks were recruited by Notre Dame. So anything prior to two thousand and twenty three is not on Freeman. You mentioned that Tommy needs help. Has no one selling on because Freeman is not offensive minded. While you're statement is correct,that is the crux of the issue. Rees should never have been retained as the authentic support neither because of your statements. Is inability to adjust games In there were several starting with oklahoma state,clearly shows he doesn't have the experience. When you read what the quarter back should be doing or the offense of coordinator should be doing by members on the board,it doesn't take a rocket Scientists to figure this out.so the fault is not freeman's,other than retaining Rees.i want to be surprised if he was replaced at the end of the year.
If the QB room is such a mess and Marcus Freeman is so all knowing, why didn't Marcus Freeman recruit and sign a transfer portal QB before this season, like a Jack Coan?
Isn't that what head coaches do?
He had a qb in the class (Angeli) and he didnt get the job until december. No time to get a big time qb 3 weeks before signing day
1. Are you trying to say the QB room is not a mess? You aren't that dumb are you?
This goes back to my point from a while back. It's more about Rees' limited experience. Freeman needed an Al Golden type on offense. Someone who had been around the block many times and could come up with answers. Freeman already has his plate full and a learning curve to deal with.
Correct.
Rees has NO ONE to turn to. And Freeman has NO ONE to turn to.
But then . . . OOPS . . . Freeman IS IN CHARGE!
How inconvenient.
But it's worse. Rees -- and I don't have the quote or source handy, but I know it was said -- argued that there was enough TALENT in the QB room to compete for an NC.
Kelly WOULD NOT HAVE AGREED, having BROUGHT IN COAN the previous year.
These guys only PARTLY know what they're doing. And when that's the case, you get what we've had THIS YEAR -- UNPREDICTABLE HIGHS AND LOWS, i.e. a A LACK OF CONSISTENCY.
Any game can go in ANY DIRECTION at ANY TIME. And we've WITNESSED it.
Yeah it's been a horrible year....
4 and 8....
oh wait that happened to our last experienced coach....
It’s so hard to comprehend because you have no proof to support your claim
Provide credible proof
How does every single coach and player All get the same amount of credit for our record. This is crazy
Bk gets the credit
No, it's Book
When I say Jeff Quinn wasn't very good, we went 21 and 4 he gets the credit
Clark Lea gets the credit
Then MF gets the credit
Thank God Jack Coan was here last year he gets the credit
We were 21 and 4, so that means Del Alexander and Brian Polian who were both on the staff, they get the credit
This is ridiculous
You can evaluate each person and the job they did. This bringing up the record so everyone was great, all equal, all roses, all excellent.
It's nonsense
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