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Buchner done for the year

Book didn't regress, he was a 3* who wasn't even expected to play, yet he's the winningest QB in ND history who made an NFL roster
This is what Progression looks like 2019 bottom row through this season (2022) top row.
Name the QB, It's not Book
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13319368.91,8719.719180181.8
14522763.92,0489.016675157.6
14624060.81,7957.510476134.1
18133953.42,0776.1151055113.6

This is Regression: 2018 top row through 2020 bottom row. Books numbers as a 3 year starter.
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21431468.22,6288.41976618154.0
24039960.23,0347.63467014149.1
22835364.62,8308.01537525144.3
 
He totally regressed year over year his numbers got worse.
Come on man, he's the winningest QB in ND history, think about that, schedules change every year, surrounding players change every year, and so on. The guy wasn't even suppose to play. Think about that. I mean come on let's be fair here
 
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Come on man, he's the winningest QB, schedules change every year, surrounding players change every year, and so on. The guy wasn't even suppose to play. Think about that. I mean come on let's be fair here
It's not a knock on him. The fact is regressed as did EVERY QB during BK's tenure
 
The only thing with Angeli, I read somewhere that he's regressed. Surprise surprise. That's only happened with EVERY QB that's played for ND the last 12 years!!
Oh of course he's regressed. He's under the tutelage of a Brian Kelly disciple.

I have my doubts he's actually regressed. More like excuses being laid out to quash any momentum by the media wondering why the hell Pyne is still taking snaps.
Either Pyne isn't very good and or Rees is equally inadequate. It's not a third option. VbMake no mistake the offense is an embarrassment of sorts at present.
 
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It's not a knock on him. The fact is regressed as did EVERY QB during BK's tenure
The coaches and Book got the most out of his limited 3* talent, good enough to move forward and make the NFL. You can list all the stats you want, the guy is the winningest QB at the historic University of Notre Dame and then drew a Sunday contract. Doesn't fit your narrative, I know, but Jesus at least be fair. Every year, every team is different. I'd take Book in a heartbeat
 
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The coaches and Book got the most out of his limited 3* talent, good enough to move forwsrd and make the NFL. You can list all the stats you want, the guy is the winningest QB at the historic University of Notre Dame and then drew a Sunday contract. Doesn't fit your narrative, I know, but Jesus at least be fair. Every year, every team is different. I'd take Book in a heartbeat
Take him over whom? Wimbush?
Pyne?
Well shit sheriff...
That's like taking the safest of the safe playing timid and tentative safe QB's.

You can rally all you want about winningest this and that...
And just like Brian Kelly...they beat up the weak and got embarrassed by the strong

Books performance in the elite matchups?
12/29/18 vs Clemson in a playoff....after a regular season schedule of daisies...
17-35 zero TD'S and 1 int
QBR 51.8

Oh yeah..also one self inflicted fumble while diving for a first down in mid flight the ball just flies out.
A QB...who handles the ball every snap. Nice

***Weird Covid year
@Home vs Clemson
Book
22-39 310 yards 1 TD 0 int
QBR 81.3

Rematch for ACC title
20-28 219 yards 0td 0int
QBR 60.2

Playoff vs bama
27-39 229 yards 0 td 0 int


Book and Brian Kelly...
Maybe Book was the good trooper and did what he was told but...
You absolutely convert zero big plays you don't try.

See a theme above?
Even in the weird Covid victory.
Book's stats are extremely safe. Even the acc loss and Bama loss. No interceptions...but no scores. NO BIG PLAYS.

Hence the problem.

3 yard curl and sit routes with the occasional back shoulder sideline throw mixed in is NOT hard to defend for a good team.

Look at all the big games and playoff winners.

What's the constant theme?
BIG plays.
YUGE plays...

Yes even Bama get's big plays in the passing game.


Us? Nope. We inch down the field trying to score with 15 play drives.
It works against the Hokies or the Eagles of BC.

Top teams...it's way too many plays to try and score all the time at this level. They're not professional. They need a 10 play drive...they also need a 3 play drive covering 75 yards.

Rees is BK part 2.

Playing offense afraid of failure results in embarrassing failure.

It's not opinon. The results speak for themselves.
 
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Oh of course he's regressed. He's under the tutelage of a Brian Kelly disciple.

I have my doubts he's actually regressed. More like excuses being laid out to quash any momentum by the media wondering why the hell Pyne is still taking snaps.
Either Pyne isn't very good and or Rees is equally inadequate. It's not a third option. VbMake no mistake the offense is an embarrassment of sorts at present.
"Oh of course he's regressed. He's under the tutelage of a Brian Kelly disciple."

When we talk of "regression" -- how much could have Angeli regressed since he got here? The better question is -- how much work is he actually getting in practice (especially now that he is 1 play away)? Same can be said about Phil J -- One thing ND has never done under Kelly (now Rees)-- when ND was up comfortably, getting the #2 guy for some meaningful game reps -- this also hinders progression and learning.

I know as freshman, they are limited to scout team work -- which is one way to hinder any development.
 
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The coaches and Book got the most out of his limited 3* talent, good enough to move forwsrd and make the NFL. You can list all the stats you want, the guy is the winningest QB at the historic University of Notre Dame and then drew a Sunday contract. Doesn't fit your narrative, I know, but Jesus at least be fair. Every year, every team is different. I'd take Book in a heartbeat
Book being the winningest QB in history has ZERO to do with whether he progressed year over year as a QB, and gives testament to how poorly recruited and developed the QB position is!
 
Book being the winningest QB in history has ZERO to do with whether he progressed year over year as a QB, and gives testament to how poorly recruited and developed the QB position is!
Totally disagree, you put Quinn, Clausen, Book on this team, and we are still not a good team. Our receiver room is just bad, and our OLine is inconsistent. Football is the ultimate team game, every player progresses or regresses based on the players around him. Look at Aaron Rodgers this year; he is a sure fire walk in HOFer who has no receivers and therefore is playing like shit. ND is not losing because of the QB. It's losing because we have serious problems at wide receiver, our OLine doesn't dominate and our defense lapses every game
 
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Totally disagree, you put Quinn, Clausen, Book on this team, and we are still not a good team. Our receiver room is just bad, and our OLine is inconsistent. Football is the ultimate team game, every player progresses or regresses based on the players around him. Look at Aaron Rodgers this year; he is a sure fire walk in HOFer who has no receivers and therefore is playing like shit. ND is not losing because of the QB. It's losing because we have serious problems at wide receiver, our OLine doesn't dominate and our defense lapses every game
We wouldn't be a good team just like last year but we'd be 5 and 1, maybe 6 and 0 right now
 
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No I don't think so. Until we build an elite, or at least consistent, defense and OLine, this is what we'll be.
What do you mean? We lost to stanford by 1 point? To marshall by 5?

You're trying to tell me significantly upgrading the most important position on the field wouldnt help that little amount.

Its not like we got blown out. We lost by 1 possession

Come on. Be serious

Last year our OL stunk and we went 11 and 2
 
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"Oh of course he's regressed. He's under the tutelage of a Brian Kelly disciple."

When we talk of "regression" -- how much could have Angeli regressed since he got here? The better question is -- how much work is he actually getting in practice (especially now that he is 1 play away)? Same can be said about Phil J -- One thing ND has never done under Kelly (now Rees)-- when ND was up comfortably, getting the #2 guy for some meaningful game reps -- this also hinders progression and learning.

I know as freshman, they are limited to scout team work -- which is one way to hinder any development.
You're spot on and truth be told it happened across many positions.
If you're not starting you get lost on the depth chart @ ND.

Moreover...
And quite honestly.....
If a kid regressed it's on the coaches.
It's their responsibility to make sure EVERY PLAYER is just as ready as the starters.
Any coach worth anything would never ever get information like he's "regressed" out to the masses.

That would never be public knowledge and if the coach was any good the term "regressed" doesn't even exist.
Totally disagree, you put Quinn, Clausen, Book on this team, and we are still not a good team. Our receiver room is just bad, and our OLine is inconsistent. Football is the ultimate team game, every player progresses or regresses based on the players around him. Look at Aaron Rodgers this year; he is a sure fire walk in HOFer who has no receivers and therefore is playing like shit. ND is not losing because of the QB. It's losing because we have serious problems at wide receiver, our OLine doesn't dominate and our defense lapses every game
This is a multi prong problem.

The line is shit because the coaching is highly...EXTREMELY overrated. One on one he might be fine (although...Nelson, McGlinchey, Martin, Staley...)

I'm not sure he even had all those but....

As a collective unit we suck. We dominate the weak and average 2.1 yards per carry against the strong.

The Running game in big games sucks because our passing game is 2 dimensional.

The tight end...double him and he's contained.

The 3 yard curl and sit route.

Most teams that route is used as a safety valve.
To us it's our priority option.
That screams volumes.

In other words I dare you to throw deep and you still won't throw deep.

The Marshall game was hilarious...

They sold out on the afraid of failure routes knowing we can't help ourselves and just automatically throw that route.

It's so bad...

How many times do you see the ND QB over the last dozen years look left, look right, hit the 3 yard curl and sit route.

It happens 90 percent of the time and you know it!!

Robotic. They aren't looking to throw left..or right...it's a sinple "look off the defender"

Marshall said we're not buying your bullshit that you're selling.
You won't throw any where but here. Can't help yourself.

Now what receiver and or blue chip QB wants to come here and showcase an arm that many on this very board could complete that throw. What receiver wants to show off their athleticism by running curl and sit routes.

Want to line up by the sideline ? You might get a few...three passes thrown to you all game.

Maybe!!!!
 
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You're spot on and truth be told it happened across many positions.
If you're not starting you get lost on the depth chart @ ND.

Moreover...
And quite honestly.....
If a kid regressed it's on the coaches.
It's their responsibility to make sure EVERY PLAYER is just as ready as the starters.
Any coach worth anything would never ever get information like he's "regressed" out to the masses.

That would never be public knowledge and if the coach was any good the term "regressed" doesn't even exist.

This is a multi prong problem.

The line is shit because the coaching is highly...EXTREMELY overrated. One on one he might be fine (although...Nelson, McGlinchey, Martin, Staley...)

I'm not sure he even had all those but....

As a collective unit we suck. We dominate the weak and average 2.1 yards per carry against the strong.

The Running game in big games sucks because our passing game is 2 dimensional.

The tight end...double him and he's contained.

The 3 yard curl and sit route.

Most teams that route is used as a safety valve.
To us it's our priority option.
That screams volumes.

In other words I dare you to throw deep and you still won't throw deep.

The Marshall game was hilarious...

They sold out on the afraid of failure routes knowing we can't help ourselves and just automatically throw that route.

It's so bad...

How many times do you see the ND QB over the last dozen years look left, look right, hit the 3 yard curl and sit route.

It happens 90 percent of the time and you know it!!

Robotic. They aren't looking to throw left..or right...it's a sinple "look off the defender"

Marshall said we're not buying your bullshit that you're selling.
You won't throw any where but here. Can't help yourself.

Now what receiver and or blue chip QB wants to come here and showcase an arm that many on this very board could complete that throw. What receiver wants to show off their athleticism by running curl and sit routes.

Want to line up by the sideline ? You might get a few...three passes thrown to you all game.

Maybe!!!!
CMPATTCMP%YDSAVGTDINTLNGRTG
13319368.91,8719.719180181.8
14522763.92,0489.016675157.6
14624060.81,7957.510476134.1
18133953.42,0776.1151055113.6

I posted these stats earlier in this thread. These are Max Duggan's a 4* out of Iowa's stats at TCU. Freshman year 2019 bottom row through 2022 current season top row. You can see the positive progress he made each year.
How is it that ND recruited all these 4* QB's over the past 12 years and NOT ONE panned out. Maybe 1 or 2 don't work out, but it's hard to believe all of them washed out. It's coaching, simple.
 
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CMPATTCMP%YDSAVGTDINTLNGRTG
13319368.91,8719.719180181.8
14522763.92,0489.016675157.6
14624060.81,7957.510476134.1
18133953.42,0776.1151055113.6

I posted these stats earlier in this thread. These are Max Duggan's a 4* out of Iowa's stats at TCU. Freshman year 2019 bottom row through 2022 current season top row. You can see the positive progress he made each year.
How is it that ND recruited all these 4* QB's over the past 12 years and NOT ONE panned out. Maybe 1 or 2 don't work out, but it's hard to believe all of them washed out. It's coaching, simple.
It's coaching alright. Bad coaching.

They might as well not even coach them because a player then has a chance. 50/50 he'll make the right decision on a particular play.

Bad coaching = bad play all the time.

To those that will say no...Book won more games than every QB ever in sports ....
The QB play against top competition in top games was lackluster at best.

That's coaching. Bad coaching.
 
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