Buchner-Pyne-Angeli: MF has to address this with Rees WHY an experienced and proven competent QB was not brought in from the Portal! There were top QB’s to choose from! JMO, TR has no talent evaluation skills! This decision effectively cost MF a full season!
Buchner done for the year
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“Mirer level”. You know Mirer was the 2nd pick in the draft and Heisman Finalist….
Because Buchner was the starter and an experienced Pyne was behind him. They played their hand, and unfortunately lost….
Agree, but what we all saw last year was not fixed at all. Oline and Buchner passing. Coaches had to see it and try to bring help in. They didn’t fix it or get help. On the coaches.
How in the hell is the OL not fixed? 3 superstars: Alt, Blake, Patterson. 2 warm bodies next to them should suffice.
there is no score or clock that can justify this pass
Unrelated but note Marshall made no effort not to commit holding
Says the guy on a freaking message board whose never read a defense, or thrown a pass in his life. I'm not saying the pass should have been thrown, but come on, to evaluate any backup QB with 3 minutes to go and down by 11 is fairly stupid
No, YOU are talking about stats on the scoreboard as though they justify something. I am evaluating his throw directly to a defender in a crowded lane, while Pyne never looked at the man open 5 yards in the middle.
I gotta say, Pyne's pick at the end after TB left the game was truly awful. Please, please let that not be a harbinger of what's to come, and that he's going to rally his own competitive spirts, because he had the feeling of a guy who had already checked out. Checked out on his career, knowing that Buchner had taken over, as 100% expected he would, and Pyne was never really going to play again....
He actually threw two pics, in his like, three minutes of PT. But one of them was mercifully called back on account of penalty.
He actually threw two pics, in his like, three minutes of PT. But one of them was mercifully called back on account of penalty.
Actually, Pyne connected with Lenzy on a 32-yard TD pass against Cincinnati last year. That was probably the longest TD pass Lenzy's ever caught.
Lenzy's a riddle.
How does a guy who's produced SO LITTLE get so much DISCUSSION TIME?
If he doesn't start producing, I'm nominating him for this year's Mike McNair USELESS SPEED Award.
You mean when he played the TANKED LSU lineman intercepting the pass in THE BIG GAME?
What was it? EVERYBODY'S ALL-AMERICAN with Dennis Quaid as the lead?
THAT John Goodman?
Got it.
MUCH BETTER ANALOGY.
Yes, John Goodman of ND was a HIGH 4-star coming in. He did have a few good moments. But they came few and far between.
Clueless. The novels you write in this forum and you are as clueless as can be. Don't quit your day job.
I said from the beginning, Pyne is terrible, and it will show. Sure he had a couple of decent games, but his limitations are now coming to pass.
A healthy Buchner was a far better option. A hobbled Buchner would be a better option at this point.
I think freshman Angeli is tbh. Buchner has a goofy throwing motion / ball flight and he never looks settled when he doesn’t have a catch/throw in rythym play.. if he has to move, hitch etc he doesn’t get set up to throw accurately.
We’ve seen the ceiling for both Buchner and Pyne and let’s be honest they’re both .500 QBs.
Angeli is still wet behind the ears but maybe his size is the difference. You don’t need a track star playing QB.. just someone decisive and accurate.
Absolutely! Lets see what the kid can do. Nothing to lose at this point other than some $hit toilet bowl game. Lets be honest, this season is over. 7-5 or 6-6 = underachieving failure
Well…. Buchner getting hurt and Pyne being above average in his consistency opens the door up for the portal. It’s hard for either of them to see it as being disloyal. One is really injury prone. The other is not capable of winning at a high clip consistently at the P5 level. TBH neither is Buchner. I think ND maybe goes 5-2 if Buchner stays healthy.
One of the inherent problems with a running QB is the, “prone to injury factor”
Tom Brady didn‘t last this long due to his running ability, pocket passers tend to have greater longevity
Kelly favored a dual threat running QB
Rees would have had the most input into the situation. As he is the OC, QB coach and knows the personnel and recruits more than the DC and first year head coach.
Freeman has shown he knows hot to recruit, that is it. Coaching leaves a lot to be desired
Freeman even admitted he didn’t even know the offense much at all until he was named HC
"Freeman even admitted he didn’t even know the offense much at all until he was named HC"
As simply a DC, he did not need to (deeply that is) -- his responsibility was the defensive side and that was his concentration. I am sure he also did not expect Kelly to bolt when he did, and I am sure he did not think he would be considered for the HC spot --
"Angeli is my option"
Absolutely! Saturday would have been a good opportunity to get him some live game snaps. I would rather see him in a game like Nevada, when ND was comfortably ahead (well, sort of), then have to throw him in the fire against a Syracuse or Clemson due to an injury.
"Their freshman was a stud. Ours not nearly as talented"
But, when an opportunity presents itself, the kid (Angeli) needs live game reps. There were many times Phil J should have been inserted when ND was up comfortably, but yet Kelly/Rees kept Book in much longer than needed.
Sure, but as DC going against the offense every day you'd think you'd have an even more unbiased assessment of its players.
Just stop...
Not
Quit trying to contribute with this electronic nerdy mindset.
There is A LOT more to playing QB than the stupid star ratings. Or rather how did you put it? The studometer?
What we know?
Pyne is NOT setting the world afire. Not even close.
He's tiny.
Weak arm.
Absolutely positively can't throw on the run.
Now with Rees..cough cough BK's influence still running the offense it will still be extremely pedestrian and possibly still suck.
With Angeli my feeling is the offense will suck less.
Lastly on what we know....
The best QB in the spring game was Angeli.
It was only the spring game and that's all we've seen from Angeli but he definitely played the best of the QB's.
In a transition season where we're playing for one of the bottom 20 bowl slots it's perfect timing to know what we have with Angeli. It's actually paramount to know this and fix the QB cycle that your hero Brian Kelly destroyed.
Until that cycle rights itself we'll continue chasing our tail with the #1 back
The only thing with Angeli, I read somewhere that he's regressed. Surprise surprise. That's only happened with EVERY QB that's played for ND the last 12 years!!
My post had nothing to do with Pyne. I'm not a fan
Angeli is not as talented as Klubnik. Period
I want him to play and get reps.
My point was if people are expecting a savior or some stud, that isnt what Angeli is
Book didn't regress, he was a 3* who wasn't even expected to play, yet he's the winningest QB in ND history who made an NFL roster
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