Best possible scenario is the rest of the team rallies around this injury and raise their game in response
Heres hoping that happens
Heres hoping that happens
Buchner done for the year
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Smaller playbook is definitely going to be the way to go. Go back to exactly what the offense was a year ago. If you're Tommy Rees, just imagine that BK is still the coach, and do what you would have done a year ago as if you were reporting to him and not MF.
Point being you have an offense and a playbook you can turn to and you know that it works, and presumably all the players know still know how to run all those same routes. And survive the season, 7-5 would be pretty good, and then hopefully fire Tommy Rees and bring in a new OC and start fresh.
And this is assuming that Rees was doing anything much different at all anyway. Maybe he was already closely hewing to exactly what the offense has been running since he was promoted to OC, and when left to his own devices he simply can't produce a functioning offense.
As far as winning games or not just don't worry about it. Just concentrate on 1st downs....
Point being you have an offense and a playbook you can turn to and you know that it works, and presumably all the players know still know how to run all those same routes. And survive the season, 7-5 would be pretty good, and then hopefully fire Tommy Rees and bring in a new OC and start fresh.
And this is assuming that Rees was doing anything much different at all anyway. Maybe he was already closely hewing to exactly what the offense has been running since he was promoted to OC, and when left to his own devices he simply can't produce a functioning offense.
As far as winning games or not just don't worry about it. Just concentrate on 1st downs....
Seems like the same old play calls to me just lacking any of the in game adjustments which have led to wins the past few years.
It Is a damn shame. In spite of his upside, Buckner’s football destiny seems to be cluttered with obstacles that are out of his control. Meanwhile ND is blest with a “next up” who also has an upside. Drew Pine has competed for the starting job at QB in fine fashion. There shouldn’t be much if any fall-off in terms of expectations. No more riding the pine.
Tough break for him and all but I can't really say I've seen ANYTHING from him in all the times he's played to make me think he was ever going to be anything great. He has some running ability, yes. But when it comes to passing I think he's been extremely underwhelming.
1) I'm finding it EXTREMELY difficult to find 6-8 wins on the schedule right now
2) If neither of them were good enough to start ahead of Buchner that gives me little to zero confidence in how well they're going to perform in full games against the remaining schedule
3) Interesting that you bring up # of offers because so many people here will yell and scream about academics being this huge problem or whatever at Notre Dame and kids not being able to be admitted.....yet if you go through the Rivals Top 250 list a LARGE amount of them have offers from ND. So what is that saying? Seems to me like they have a bigger problem convincing these kids to commit than they do not being able to get them admitted or whatever.
1) I'm finding it EXTREMELY difficult to find 6-8 wins on the schedule right now
2) If neither of them were good enough to start ahead of Buchner that gives me little to zero confidence in how well they're going to perform in full games against the remaining schedule
3) Interesting that you bring up # of offers because so many people here will yell and scream about academics being this huge problem or whatever at Notre Dame and kids not being able to be admitted.....yet if you go through the Rivals Top 250 list a LARGE amount of them have offers from ND. So what is that saying? Seems to me like they have a bigger problem convincing these kids to commit than they do not being able to get them admitted or whatever.
I gotta say I'm disappointed with all the Buchner haters. I thought he was a legit dynamic talent with tremendous passing potential. But indeed he was going to need time and need coaching up, and he was still totally a work in progress on account of his stunted HS career.
But I guess the football gods are settling all accounts with ungrateful ND football fans. Sans BK, this season could easily end up an '07 type debacle, and finishing with a 3-9 record does not at all seem like a wild impossibility at the current juncture.
And with the injury to Buchner, we are reduced to Pyne, who has seemingly regressed since his short moment in the sun of a year ago vs Cincy, where he made some nice throws, but finished with a 40% passing record in a full half of play. And we haven't heard anything much good from him since.
Maybe Steve Angeli, who was no less blown off or disregarded by most fans than the aforementioned QBs, could end up being a surprise hero....
But I guess the football gods are settling all accounts with ungrateful ND football fans. Sans BK, this season could easily end up an '07 type debacle, and finishing with a 3-9 record does not at all seem like a wild impossibility at the current juncture.
And with the injury to Buchner, we are reduced to Pyne, who has seemingly regressed since his short moment in the sun of a year ago vs Cincy, where he made some nice throws, but finished with a 40% passing record in a full half of play. And we haven't heard anything much good from him since.
Maybe Steve Angeli, who was no less blown off or disregarded by most fans than the aforementioned QBs, could end up being a surprise hero....
You NAILED it.
This could TRULY be a blessing in disguise. To me, Buchner was an IMPEDIMENT to developing a more ORTHODOX, COHERENT offense.
He was SEXY and UNIQUE, but NOT REALLY GOOD ENOUGH for ND to build its ENTIRE OFFENSE around.
And MANY OF US had been predicting that sooner or later he would FALL VICTIM to the kind HARD CONTACT he invites when he runs.
The injury was almost INEVITABLE.
I'm happier going forward with Pyne and, if necessary, Angeli.
And, yes, the CLEMSON KID is the real deal. They call him a FASTER Watson. Went 53-0 in high school and threw a TD pass on his first series for Clemson. Guided the team FLAWLESSLY downfield with both keepers and passes.
Pretty sure I just saw him on Saturday, it was not pretty.
On TB: I am not sure what people were seeing. The pass protection left him with little time. There are few deep threats split out at receiver and fewer downfield passes to the guys we have.
I hope they gi
I hope they give Angeli a serious look. The kid lit it up in HS against legit competition.
Does it really matter who starts at QB if the OLINE can’t give him time and open up holes for the RB’s ?
Against the good teams, no.
connect some of the missed chunk plays and deep shots due to adequate QB ability and they beat Marshall..
You'll find out soon enough how bad Pyne is. He had multiple chances to be the guy last year, spring game, etc. and he still couldn't beat out Buchner. It's either that or Rees can't evaluate the position, and if its the latter that's more reason to fire him.
To think there were people on this forum that said PJ couldn't spin the ball. 😂
I believe it was more that BK and TR couldn't see talent if stared them right in the face.
Rees can’t evaluate the position. Both McCarthy and Allar look like they are going to be phenomenal and Rees chose Buchner and Angeli
He came in with 3 minutes left, down 11. That's hardly a normal situation to throw a QB into. Let's wait and see how he does as a starter.
Saying "no better than Book" in a negative way shows how little you know. It ain't even worth discussing with you. Such an idiotic statement. We were damn lucky to have Book
And if they worried about having Pyne as their #2, they could have gone the way of the portal. QB is different in that im sure somebody, somewhere was looking to transfer and could have qualified at ND
I know this isn’t popular (especially on this board) but what do you say of playing both of them against Cal? Let’s see what each of them do in live action.
buchner at this point in time is kinda bad. I had high hopes for him. But I’m just not seeing it yet. Maybe he can get there. I don’t know.
If they go smaller playbook then go with Angeli and build for the future. Pyne will not be the answer.
They gotta win now, baby. That's the only thing MF needs to be concerning himself with. For his sake I hope that's how sees it....
He's injury prone.
It's nothing malicious nor derogatory just simply reality.
Some kids don't ever get injured. Sometimes you think OMG that looks horrible amd they're out one play.
Some kids get hurt practicing a 7v7 skeleton drill...
Angeli won the spring game. Some kids just have an "it" factor. You can't explain "it" but it's just there
Before some of you piss your pants....I'm not suggesting Angeli is the second coming of Montana...
Angeli played the best of the 3 QB's who played.
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Don’t worry about Mrs. Kelly. Once she gets some more batteries she will calm down.
What? He's out for the season. So mercifully it's already kind of a moot point.
But what I'm saying is nevertheless true. It sure didn't take long for this bunch to toss TB into the proverbial woodchipper. And make him the scapegoat. Two games.....
Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle with Pyne. He can throw. We have speed and playmakers. Get the ball to MM, get it to Styles, get it to Tyree, try to get Lenzy going deep, find out what Thomas is, and see what happens.
Pyne is a better thrower than Buchner. That counts for something.
We can still get to 9 wins.
Pyne is a better thrower than Buchner. That counts for something.
We can still get to 9 wins.
I never ever correlated Kelly to this teams failures. His lack of success recruiting the QB position and developing it is indisputable tho and that has impacted the present team. It’s not an excuse as inadequacies can be overcome. See Marshall. But it remains a failing of former southern fake accent coach
DO you work at being stupid or does it come naturally?
Cause you suck at reading comprehension.
Or are you so dense you have not seen all the claims about how talented TB was last year?
I never saw that; I never thought he was going to be as good as Book but somehow your tiny brain completely twisted that?
Really truly pathetic.
Book was a very good ND QB; around Mirer level who was really good
“The dilemma for Rees is how to maximize Buchner’s strength while minimizing injury, and these goals are polar opposites given his style. Protecting him by making him a pocket passer is a mistake because that’s his greatest weakness. Personally would have preferred giving him a rolling pocket as Buchner seems to pass better on the move, and running out of bounds after a gain is always an option. All that is moot for the remainder of this season with this injury.”
spot on. ^^^^^^
spot on. ^^^^^^
"Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle with Pyne. He can throw. We have speed and playmakers. Get the ball to MM, get it to Styles, get it to Tyree, try to get Lenzy going deep, find out what Thomas is, and see what happens."
Possibly -- until ND can throw the ball downfield (more than 10 yards) with any degree of consistency, teams will load the box, and dare ND to throw. I can see situations where both Pyne and Angeli get time this year --
Nobody could be as pathetic as you. You concluded TB equivalency to Book based on 2 starts. Now that truly is pathetic. Seems to me you obviously don't have to work at being stupid, it just comes natural.
Oh, and no, I don't rely on the claims of others, especially those on this board, to evaluate TB talent or potential. Seems you'd be the dense one for doing that.
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