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I honestly hope they just fire the guy now so some of you people can cry next season when things get worse. He just coached against one of the best teams in college football with half his defense injured/suspended and you expect miracles! Oh and the lack of offense didn't exactly help the defense out did it?

Lack of talent, lack of depth, and injuries have killed this team since he started coaching but some on here think someone else could have done better, just ignorance. Stop looking at the coaches and get realistic about the players we have on defense so you can not complain when the next defensive coordinator fails. Obviously if someone new comes in they will automatically do better with a healthy team but I am sure that will be overlooked and it still won't be a major difference.

We aren't Alabama, we don't have that type of talent and unless you start understanding that then you will never be happy. Just look at our "top" targets like Pride and Studstill, they aren't ranked high at all yet we consider them "top" targets. Meanwhile go back and watch Bama's thrashing of Sparty and they had two 5* freshmen studs at corner starting. On top of that they have a defensive line that not only stuffs the run but more importantly gets pressure on the QB, something we haven't had for a while. It isn't only Bama because you can also look at Ohio st. and see the same thing or just go down the line of the top teams that have shots at the national title each year. Here is a serious question Blue and Gold mentioned a few weeks back and it says a lot... when was the last time we had a major defensive player get drafted in the NFL and made an impact? The only one I can think of is Justin Tuck which was a long time back. Obviously some kids will be really solid college players and not do well in the NFL, which would be great, but we rarely get those special athletes anymore that you know will be destined for greatness at either level... Jaylon being the newest and I hope he heals well so he can have a long career in the NFL.

Besides the lack of big recruits people forget about the transfers/suspensions that have hurt our depth the past 4-5 years. You can't build a solid defense when kids are getting hurt and you have no talent behind them. Hey I love Joe but on how many major programs would he be starting? He played decent before getting hurt but this entire season you could see he lost speed and strength yet we had nobody to step in and take over.

Hey maybe a new coach will change the scheme and the assistants can be better overall, I would be very happy if that happens, but I don't see much changing if the talent and depth don't get better. The schedule is stronger next season and if the offense isn't playing at a higher level then we could lose 3-4 games based on our defensive outlook. I do think the offense has to get better with the added playing time, mainly at QB, and that could decide whether we are an 8, 9, or 10 win team. Offensive line will be best position so there shouldn't be excuses for the running game or pass protection, one would assume, but not sure who will be catching passes when Fuller leaves.

Oh well, it was a good season in my opinion and I honestly didn't think we would have 10 wins. We played well against Clemson and Stanford, both solid teams, but today the injuries were too much against a better team. If you have followed ND your entire life then maybe you are like me and understand we aren't the same program we were in the past and college football has changed a lot in terms of diversity. ND now recruits against more programs and with the restrictions we already have it is extremely difficult. On top of that we have to deal with other factors like location, weather, the ND lifestyle, etc... I think we can still get enough talent to make runs at a title, like 2012, but other than that one year it has been rough since the Holtz era. I seriously can't recall the last time we played a top ranked team and thought we had an honest shot at destroying that team, can you? I think this speaks a lot about the players we have these days on our team.
 
This team deteriorated down the stretch offensively ( WF and BC) and defensively Stanford and OSU. They give up 38 to Stanford and the game winner with 25 seconds left ? Someone has to be responsible Today they gave up 44 points to a very simple offense.
Here are my questions .
1-Do recruits want to play for BVG ? I never hear his name on the recruiting circuit.

2- Are players he recruits developing ? Morgan, Redfield, Hayes ?? These were somewhat bigtime recruits for ND . without getting into each situation , these guys should be better contributors . Just examples of player development or lack of.

3- IS BK happy with him as a DC ? I said last week 40 points or more and he is gone. Maybe not with Smith going down and Butler and Redfield .But It's time for this guy to go.
 
I honestly hope they just fire the guy now so some of you people can cry next season when things get worse. He just coached against one of the best teams in college football with half his defense injured/suspended and you expect miracles! Oh and the lack of offense didn't exactly help the defense out did it?

Lack of talent, lack of depth, and injuries have killed this team since he started coaching but some on here think someone else could have done better, just ignorance. Stop looking at the coaches and get realistic about the players we have on defense so you can not complain when the next defensive coordinator fails. Obviously if someone new comes in they will automatically do better with a healthy team but I am sure that will be overlooked and it still won't be a major difference.

We aren't Alabama, we don't have that type of talent and unless you start understanding that then you will never be happy. Just look at our "top" targets like Pride and Studstill, they aren't ranked high at all yet we consider them "top" targets. Meanwhile go back and watch Bama's thrashing of Sparty and they had two 5* freshmen studs at corner starting. On top of that they have a defensive line that not only stuffs the run but more importantly gets pressure on the QB, something we haven't had for a while. It isn't only Bama because you can also look at Ohio st. and see the same thing or just go down the line of the top teams that have shots at the national title each year. Here is a serious question Blue and Gold mentioned a few weeks back and it says a lot... when was the last time we had a major defensive player get drafted in the NFL and made an impact? The only one I can think of is Justin Tuck which was a long time back. Obviously some kids will be really solid college players and not do well in the NFL, which would be great, but we rarely get those special athletes anymore that you know will be destined for greatness at either level... Jaylon being the newest and I hope he heals well so he can have a long career in the NFL.

Besides the lack of big recruits people forget about the transfers/suspensions that have hurt our depth the past 4-5 years. You can't build a solid defense when kids are getting hurt and you have no talent behind them. Hey I love Joe but on how many major programs would he be starting? He played decent before getting hurt but this entire season you could see he lost speed and strength yet we had nobody to step in and take over.

Hey maybe a new coach will change the scheme and the assistants can be better overall, I would be very happy if that happens, but I don't see much changing if the talent and depth don't get better. The schedule is stronger next season and if the offense isn't playing at a higher level then we could lose 3-4 games based on our defensive outlook. I do think the offense has to get better with the added playing time, mainly at QB, and that could decide whether we are an 8, 9, or 10 win team. Offensive line will be best position so there shouldn't be excuses for the running game or pass protection, one would assume, but not sure who will be catching passes when Fuller leaves.

Oh well, it was a good season in my opinion and I honestly didn't think we would have 10 wins. We played well against Clemson and Stanford, both solid teams, but today the injuries were too much against a better team. If you have followed ND your entire life then maybe you are like me and understand we aren't the same program we were in the past and college football has changed a lot in terms of diversity. ND now recruits against more programs and with the restrictions we already have it is extremely difficult. On top of that we have to deal with other factors like location, weather, the ND lifestyle, etc... I think we can still get enough talent to make runs at a title, like 2012, but other than that one year it has been rough since the Holtz era. I seriously can't recall the last time we played a top ranked team and thought we had an honest shot at destroying that team, can you? I think this speaks a lot about the players we have these days on our team.


BVG as DC the last three seasons (including with Auburn)

2012 : 30 PPG
2014 : 30 PPG
2015 : 25 PPG

Yeah, he was so great until today! This is just one more verification that he is a lousy coach. He and his garbage schemes can take a walk. If you expect magically better results next year after this putrid three year run he is on, then you've got your head in the sand.
 
With all the injuries and suspensions it is hard to judge bvg. This looks like a good def recruiting class and we should give him another year. Who realistically would you replace bim with?
 
I get it! Nobody is accountable. It's fitting since Obama is in office right now and that's how things are run there.
 
difference is that OSU tackled better than ND. When ND hit someone they still got an extra 2-4 yard after contact. When we where hit we went down right away or were driven back. You cant blame that on injuries thats all coaching or lack of it
 
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I get it! Nobody is accountable. It's fitting since Obama is in office right now and that's how things are run there.

Again, care to elaborate about Obama? Who was accountable for the trumped up charges of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to an unpaid for war and and spawned ISIS. Who was accountable for the widespread fraud that spilled over from Wall Street and collapsed the economy? Who is accountable for the refusal to compromise on any issue facing the country?

I chuckled back in November 2008 when I saw a bumper sticker on a car saying "it's Obama's problem now," but I never would have imagined how blaming him for everything from the common cold to the Mets' loss in the World Series would become such an effective political strategy.
 
Again, care to elaborate about Obama? Who was accountable for the trumped up charges of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to an unpaid for war and and spawned ISIS. Who was accountable for the widespread fraud that spilled over from Wall Street and collapsed the economy? Who is accountable for the refusal to compromise on any issue facing the country?

I chuckled back in November 2008 when I saw a bumper sticker on a car saying "it's Obama's problem now," but I never would have imagined how blaming him for everything from the common cold to the Mets' loss in the World Series would become such an effective political strategy.
Just like Trump if you ignore button them they will go away.
 
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what like this brilliant post?
I'm not a football expert but if you think coaching is the end all be all of our issues you just don't get it. Yes, when the secondary is trying to make tackles on Elliot 10 yards down the field when he's at almost full speed he's going to juke you into arm tackles, or just lower the shoulder and run right through you. I just think to fire all the coaches would be stupid and a definite step back. But hey, you're the expert right lol!
 
Just try to look at our defense objectively. Yes, we have had an inordinate number of injuries the past two seasons, and these clearly factor into our play. Those things are beyond BVG's control. That said, it seems to me we are failing in the areas that are within his control. Tackling is poor. Pass coverage is poor. Scheme is so complicated we have to rely on one player to play every defensive down because he is the only one who can line folks up right, and he happens to be slow and a marginal tackler in space. And what concerns me the most, there is NO ONE who has been developed with any game experience to step in and replace Joe. I don't expect guys to play above their abilities, but I do expect them to play to their abilities, and I for one don't think BVG is the right guy to make this happen.
 
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I honestly hope they just fire the guy now so some of you people can cry next season when things get worse. He just coached against one of the best teams in college football with half his defense injured/suspended and you expect miracles! Oh and the lack of offense didn't exactly help the defense out did it?

Lack of talent, lack of depth, and injuries have killed this team since he started coaching but some on here think someone else could have done better, just ignorance. Stop looking at the coaches and get realistic about the players we have on defense so you can not complain when the next defensive coordinator fails. Obviously if someone new comes in they will automatically do better with a healthy team but I am sure that will be overlooked and it still won't be a major difference.

We aren't Alabama, we don't have that type of talent and unless you start understanding that then you will never be happy. Just look at our "top" targets like Pride and Studstill, they aren't ranked high at all yet we consider them "top" targets. Meanwhile go back and watch Bama's thrashing of Sparty and they had two 5* freshmen studs at corner starting. On top of that they have a defensive line that not only stuffs the run but more importantly gets pressure on the QB, something we haven't had for a while. It isn't only Bama because you can also look at Ohio st. and see the same thing or just go down the line of the top teams that have shots at the national title each year. Here is a serious question Blue and Gold mentioned a few weeks back and it says a lot... when was the last time we had a major defensive player get drafted in the NFL and made an impact? The only one I can think of is Justin Tuck which was a long time back. Obviously some kids will be really solid college players and not do well in the NFL, which would be great, but we rarely get those special athletes anymore that you know will be destined for greatness at either level... Jaylon being the newest and I hope he heals well so he can have a long career in the NFL.

Besides the lack of big recruits people forget about the transfers/suspensions that have hurt our depth the past 4-5 years. You can't build a solid defense when kids are getting hurt and you have no talent behind them. Hey I love Joe but on how many major programs would he be starting? He played decent before getting hurt but this entire season you could see he lost speed and strength yet we had nobody to step in and take over.

Hey maybe a new coach will change the scheme and the assistants can be better overall, I would be very happy if that happens, but I don't see much changing if the talent and depth don't get better. The schedule is stronger next season and if the offense isn't playing at a higher level then we could lose 3-4 games based on our defensive outlook. I do think the offense has to get better with the added playing time, mainly at QB, and that could decide whether we are an 8, 9, or 10 win team. Offensive line will be best position so there shouldn't be excuses for the running game or pass protection, one would assume, but not sure who will be catching passes when Fuller leaves.

Oh well, it was a good season in my opinion and I honestly didn't think we would have 10 wins. We played well against Clemson and Stanford, both solid teams, but today the injuries were too much against a better team. If you have followed ND your entire life then maybe you are like me and understand we aren't the same program we were in the past and college football has changed a lot in terms of diversity. ND now recruits against more programs and with the restrictions we already have it is extremely difficult. On top of that we have to deal with other factors like location, weather, the ND lifestyle, etc... I think we can still get enough talent to make runs at a title, like 2012, but other than that one year it has been rough since the Holtz era. I seriously can't recall the last time we played a top ranked team and thought we had an honest shot at destroying that team, can you? I think this speaks a lot about the players we have these days on our team.

Joker.. How could things get any worse by firing BVG? Lack of talent is such a shi8y excuse.. Inability to use talent that we have is the problem.
 
Just try to look at our defense objectively. Yes, we have had an inordinate number of injuries the past two seasons, and these clearly factor into our play. Those things are beyond BVG's control. That said, it seems to me we are failing in the areas that are within his control. Tackling is poor. Pass coverage is poor. Scheme is so complicated we have to rely on one player to play every defensive down because he is the only one who can line folks up right, and he happens to be slow and a marginal tackler in space. And what concerns me the most, there is NO ONE who has been developed with any game experience to step in and replace Joe. I don't expect guys to play above their abilities, but I do expect them to play to their abilities, and I for one don't think BVG is the right guy to make this happen.
This may be true, I just think it's hard to judge with the amount of injuries we've had. I think he deserves one more shot, but I agree if he cannot get it done then there needs to be a change. Sooner than later, and I'm sure Kelly know this better than we do.
 
Joker.. How could things get any worse by firing BVG? Lack of talent is such a shi8y excuse.. Inability to use talent that we have is the problem.
So 11 injuries to starters on defense is no excuse? Like the OP said, maybe if we had the depth of an Alabama we could sustain those massive amounts of attrition, but not this team.
 
Yeah didnt seem to slow down OSU's DL after they lost 3 starters ( 1 probably the best d linman in the country) did it.
 
So 11 injuries to starters on defense is no excuse? Like the OP said, maybe if we had the depth of an Alabama we could sustain those massive amounts of attrition, but not this team.

so are we the only ones who get injured every year?

Last year we melted away like butter after FSU game (excuse was Joe Schmidt calling the plays and because he got injured we lost all those games).. Joe Schmidt a walk on (not some 5* recruit)

Winners win we make excuses every single year for last 23 years...
Neutral observers stopped buying those excuses many years back
Many ND fans have stopped buying those excuses in last 3-10 years
 
so are we the only ones who get injured every year?

Last year we melted away like butter after FSU game (excuse was Joe Schmidt calling the plays and because he got injured we lost all those games).. Joe Schmidt a walk on (not some 5* recruit)

Winners win we make excuses every single year for last 23 years...
Neutral observers stopped buying those excuses many years back
Many ND fans have stopped buying those excuses in last 3 years
No but facts are facts. We lost 11 starters on defense. I'm not the only one saying this. There is a ton of articles by sports writers a lot more knowledgeable saying that ND had a ton of injuries. Here's just the defensive list.

DB] 08/27/2015 - Shaun Crawford out for season ( Knee )
[DB] 09/21/2015 - Drue Tranquill out for season ( ACL )
[DL] 08/28/2015 - Ishaq Williams out for season ( Eligibility )
[DL] 12/26/2015 - Jarron Jones out for season( Knee )
[DL] 01/01/2016 - Sheldon Day out for game foot.
[LB] 01/01/2016 - Jaylon Smith torn acl first five minutes of game
[DL] 01/01/2016 - Jerry Tillery expected to miss Friday vs. Ohio State ( Suspension )
[CB] 12/30/2015 - Devin Butler expected to miss Friday vs. Ohio State ( Foot )
SAF 12/30/2015 - Max Redfield expected to miss Friday vs. Ohio State ( Suspension )
[CB] 11/23/2015 - KeiVarae Russell expected to miss Friday vs. Ohio State ( Tibia )
[LB] 12/08/2015 - James Onwualu is upgraded to probable Friday vs. Ohio State ( Knee )
 
BK is really the only one that can evaluate bvg. are his plans good? does he teach well? do players respect him? do coaches? is he recruiting? If all good he stays.

Get better!!!
 
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If this team was at full strength, they would have been playing on New Years Eve. However it is time to move on from BVG.
 
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so are we the only ones who get injured every year?

Last year we melted away like butter after FSU game (excuse was Joe Schmidt calling the plays and because he got injured we lost all those games).. Joe Schmidt a walk on (not some 5* recruit)

Winners win we make excuses every single year for last 23 years...
Neutral observers stopped buying those excuses many years back
Many ND fans have stopped buying those excuses in last 3-10 years
Every team has injuries. But ND had season ending injuries. Not injuries where they miss a game or two.
Injuries have killed this team two years now.
 
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I honestly hope they just fire the guy now so some of you people can cry next season when things get worse. He just coached against one of the best teams in college football with half his defense injured/suspended and you expect miracles! Oh and the lack of offense didn't exactly help the defense out did it?

Lack of talent, lack of depth, and injuries have killed this team since he started coaching but some on here think someone else could have done better, just ignorance. Stop looking at the coaches and get realistic about the players we have on defense so you can not complain when the next defensive coordinator fails. Obviously if someone new comes in they will automatically do better with a healthy team but I am sure that will be overlooked and it still won't be a major difference.

We aren't Alabama, we don't have that type of talent and unless you start understanding that then you will never be happy. Just look at our "top" targets like Pride and Studstill, they aren't ranked high at all yet we consider them "top" targets. Meanwhile go back and watch Bama's thrashing of Sparty and they had two 5* freshmen studs at corner starting. On top of that they have a defensive line that not only stuffs the run but more importantly gets pressure on the QB, something we haven't had for a while. It isn't only Bama because you can also look at Ohio st. and see the same thing or just go down the line of the top teams that have shots at the national title each year. Here is a serious question Blue and Gold mentioned a few weeks back and it says a lot... when was the last time we had a major defensive player get drafted in the NFL and made an impact? The only one I can think of is Justin Tuck which was a long time back. Obviously some kids will be really solid college players and not do well in the NFL, which would be great, but we rarely get those special athletes anymore that you know will be destined for greatness at either level... Jaylon being the newest and I hope he heals well so he can have a long career in the NFL.

Besides the lack of big recruits people forget about the transfers/suspensions that have hurt our depth the past 4-5 years. You can't build a solid defense when kids are getting hurt and you have no talent behind them. Hey I love Joe but on how many major programs would he be starting? He played decent before getting hurt but this entire season you could see he lost speed and strength yet we had nobody to step in and take over.

Hey maybe a new coach will change the scheme and the assistants can be better overall, I would be very happy if that happens, but I don't see much changing if the talent and depth don't get better. The schedule is stronger next season and if the offense isn't playing at a higher level then we could lose 3-4 games based on our defensive outlook. I do think the offense has to get better with the added playing time, mainly at QB, and that could decide whether we are an 8, 9, or 10 win team. Offensive line will be best position so there shouldn't be excuses for the running game or pass protection, one would assume, but not sure who will be catching passes when Fuller leaves.

Oh well, it was a good season in my opinion and I honestly didn't think we would have 10 wins. We played well against Clemson and Stanford, both solid teams, but today the injuries were too much against a better team. If you have followed ND your entire life then maybe you are like me and understand we aren't the same program we were in the past and college football has changed a lot in terms of diversity. ND now recruits against more programs and with the restrictions we already have it is extremely difficult. On top of that we have to deal with other factors like location, weather, the ND lifestyle, etc... I think we can still get enough talent to make runs at a title, like 2012, but other than that one year it has been rough since the Holtz era. I seriously can't recall the last time we played a top ranked team and thought we had an honest shot at destroying that team, can you? I think this speaks a lot about the players we have these days on our team.

I want you to go back and look at the Stanford disaster. Please explain to me why our safeties are in prevent and standing in fg range before the Cajuste pass is thrown. Look at how deep they are. Guess what guys? Stanford doesn't need a td. It was a ridiculous set by bvg and we paid the biggest price of the season for it... heartbreaking.... It's tough to pick yourself back up after that kind of a giveaway huge b.s. loss. Stanford still thinks Santa came early..... thanks bvg...gag.....
 
difference is that OSU tackled better than ND. When ND hit someone they still got an extra 2-4 yard after contact. When we where hit we went down right away or were driven back. You cant blame that on injuries thats all coaching or lack of it
I've said that all year. ND might be the worst tackling team. Sadly we tackle like a Big 12 school where defense is optional.

IT IS THE MOST SIMPLEST OF THINGS TO TEACH IN FOOTBALL. Anyone can do it. They may not get there sometimes because they lack speed or they may get blocked because they get out massed.....

But when in position there is nothing simpler to teach in football that the simple fundamental tackle. We suck at it!.
 
Just try to look at our defense objectively. Yes, we have had an inordinate number of injuries the past two seasons, and these clearly factor into our play. Those things are beyond BVG's control. That said, it seems to me we are failing in the areas that are within his control. Tackling is poor. Pass coverage is poor. Scheme is so complicated we have to rely on one player to play every defensive down because he is the only one who can line folks up right, and he happens to be slow and a marginal tackler in space. And what concerns me the most, there is NO ONE who has been developed with any game experience to step in and replace Joe. I don't expect guys to play above their abilities, but I do expect them to play to their abilities, and I for one don't think BVG is the right guy to make this happen.

So Todd Lyght and the other coaches should be fired as well correct? I mean if you think "objectively" BVG isn't coaching every player and considering our secondary is the worst position on the team shouldn't he be blamed? How about the defensive line and strength and conditioning coaches? We have key players at every position not developing so should we only blame one person now?

Hey I am not saying BVG is the ultimate answer because I honestly have no idea considering what he has dealt with. At the same time it gets old seeing posts on this board blaming him for everything and people not being realistic about our injuries and talent level. I personally like his schemes but maybe they are too difficult for the players at ND so if that is the case then he should be let go along with the entire defensive staff. I will just be interested to see how the same critics act next season if things don't drastically improve because I don't see us having a better defense and our schedule is tougher. I hope I am wrong but it isn't as if we have had dominating defenses at ND since our last national championship, unless I missed something? Actually you can even go back farther to the 70's and probably count the number of top 10 defenses our program has had on one hand.

Lots of questions on both sides of the ball for 2016... hoping for the best but always try and be realistic when it comes to ND.
 
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College fan...you miss my point. BVG owns The scheme and defensive philosophy, not the position coaches. You might want to go to the Buffalo newspaper Dec 24th edition online and read an article discussing Polians view of Rex Ryan's defense, which is similar in complexity to BVG's. I linked it last week here. Polian was not dissing Ryan, but pointing out how difficult it was for the professional players to run his system, and a train wreck unless the complexities were mastered by many. Just of the opinion that BVG's scheme and system is too complex for student athletes, and that BVG's skill set is better suited for the NFL. I would probably be more optimistic about the impact of playing a season with most of our players healthy, except for the fact that Joe Schmidt was considered irreplaceable because only he understands the scheme and how to line folks up, and NO ONE was developed to carry this responsibility next year. We can agree to disagree.
 
Joker.. How could things get any worse by firing BVG? Lack of talent is such a shi8y excuse.. Inability to use talent that we have is the problem.

an addition consideration with BVG is that he is not "all-in" when it comes to recruiting.
Like Bill Parcells said, 'if you are going to cook the meal, you should shop for the groceries'
 
BK is really the only one that can evaluate bvg. are his plans good? does he teach well? do players respect him? do coaches? is he recruiting? If all good he stays.

Get better!!!


fans get to evaluate how well he is 'getting it done', but fans are not in the formal hiring and firing process.

Alums are 'fans' and alums have informal influence through chains of communication. Public perception and opinion do matter. It is that notion and fear, that brings all those duplicative ID's to this forum to inhibit discussion or critique.
 
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Again, care to elaborate about Obama? Who was accountable for the trumped up charges of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to an unpaid for war and and spawned ISIS. Who was accountable for the widespread fraud that spilled over from Wall Street and collapsed the economy? Who is accountable for the refusal to compromise on any issue facing the country?

I chuckled back in November 2008 when I saw a bumper sticker on a car saying "it's Obama's problem now," but I never would have imagined how blaming him for everything from the common cold to the Mets' loss in the World Series would become such an effective political strategy.
HDK you are so right about you comments . When Obama took office the Dow jones was at 6000 today it nearly 18000 and the price of gas was 4 dollars it's now less than 2 and unemployment has falling to 5 percent from 10 . Even the deficit has been cut in half with government spending as a percent of GDP has also cut in half . Iran has removed 75 tons of enriched uranium and he killed Osma Ben Laden
Who Bush thought was irrelivent . People who watch Fox News need to be reeducate on what the facts are
 
HDK you are so right about you comments . When Obama took office the Dow jones was at 6000 today it nearly 18000 and the price of gas was 4 dollars it's now less than 2 and unemployment has falling to 5 percent from 10 . Even the deficit has been cut in half with government spending as a percent of GDP has also cut in half . Iran has removed 75 tons of enriched uranium and he killed Osma Ben Laden
Who Bush thought was irrelivent . People who watch Fox News need to be reeducate on what the facts are


^ the old Brown Car parking lot theory.

DIP was a citizen when the Dow was 6000 and now it is 17500! maybe he gets the credit?

The economy Bush dealt with would have been the result of decisions made years before he took office.
 
Again, care to elaborate about Obama? Who was accountable for the trumped up charges of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that led to an unpaid for war and and spawned ISIS. Who was accountable for the widespread fraud that spilled over from Wall Street and collapsed the economy? Who is accountable for the refusal to compromise on any issue facing the country?

I chuckled back in November 2008 when I saw a bumper sticker on a car saying "it's Obama's problem now," but I never would have imagined how blaming him for everything from the common cold to the Mets' loss in the World Series would become such an effective political strategy.
HDK who are you replying to ?
 
HDK you are so right about you comments . When Obama took office the Dow jones was at 6000 today it nearly 18000 and the price of gas was 4 dollars it's now less than 2 and unemployment has falling to 5 percent from 10 . Even the deficit has been cut in half with government spending as a percent of GDP has also cut in half . Iran has removed 75 tons of enriched uranium and he killed Osma Ben Laden
Who Bush thought was irrelivent . People who watch Fox News need to be reeducate on what the facts are
Stop with the Obama crap.
 
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