Am I the only one completely exasperated with THIS result every recruiting cycle?

[chaseball]

You are DEAD wrong on this issue

Which players in Charlie Weis’s era were academically unqualified ?

Name them !

Bro, you are making my point.

We were able to secure many 5-star #1 prospects at their position/top 5 prospects during the Charlie Weis era while having arguably even more archaic academic requirements and standards.

If we could do it then, why can't we do it now?

Point being: the issue today is not academic standards, its something else.

 

[echowaker]

He said it will in an irish illustrated insider podcast. The basketball team secured a 5-star prospect. Just waiting for it to come to the football program.

We GOT EVERYTHING SET IN PLACE IN THIS FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT ALL LEVELS -- ALL WE NEED IS THE ADMINISTRATIONS SUPPORT to invest in elite HS prospects ... why won't hey give it us? its mind blowing man.

Who is " we" ?

 

[Pennick4]

2023 | 0 5-stars (when is enough enough?) its like an NFL franchise that never gets a first round draft pick in a draft that is a zero sum game where your competitors gets 3+ of them

🥱🥱

 

[echowaker]

Yes “ educated opinion”. It’s not science or math wherr 2+2 will always equal 4. That’s never going to change. But I can say plenty of recruits are deemed 5 stars and many don’t live up to that. My point is simple. Stars are not the end all when judging players.

I'll take a staffs evaluation on who " fits " their program best than some subjective website.

 

[chaseball]

I'll take a staffs evaluation on who " fits " their program best than some subjective website.

What other public available/objective resource do we have to go off other than the consolidated view of the industry experts?

What coaching staffs are sharing their boards with the public?

There's a correlation between the consolidated industry view of these prospects and the teams that are at the top of the sport in the results.

The information is good. Its not perfect but its good enough/best information available to the public.

 

[echowaker]

What other public available/objective resource do we have to go off other than the consolidated view of the industry experts?

What coaching staffs are sharing their boards with the public?

There's a correlation between the consolidated industry view of these prospects and the teams that are at the top of the sport in the results.

The information is good. Its not perfect but its good enough/best information available to the public.

Here's the rub, you care about these sites opinions. I've been involved in the game all my life and when coaching I was deeply involved in the recruiting process of kids in my area. I could care less what the sites say. If ND or MSU show interest in a kid I find film to watch on my own or I ask people whose evaluation abilities I trust. Now being heavily involved in NIL consulting leaves me even less interested in recruiting sites when you hear of the way they manipulate ratings based a lot on a kids cooperation and participation. Despite your disdain for them the ND football program appears to be doing just fine. Enjoy your incessant whining and bitching.

 

[JimMc]

Chase, ND has a secret policy to establish “economic dominance” or whatever by preventing Football from signing 5 stars? Apparently that doesn’t include Basketball, just signed a one-and-done 5 star. Maybe time to take off the tin foil hat?

This years football class is somewhat disappointing, missed at QB, RB, and WR. Could have used another DL, though I think Dixon is way underrated. DB is loaded. Only one TE, though he’s a stud. Very happy with OL.

On NIL, neither you or anyone else on this board knows ND’s actual spending or the ratio between prospects and players. I do think it is a priority (bringing in Brady Quinn, etc) but who knows…

Lots of 5 stars every year would be great, but I wouldn’t trade Love for any other RB in that class.

 

[chaseball]

Chase, ND has a secret policy to establish “economic dominance” or whatever by preventing Football from signing 5 stars? Apparently that doesn’t include Basketball, just signed a one-and-done 5 star. Maybe time to take off the tin foil hat?

This years football class is somewhat disappointing, missed at QB, RB, and WR. Could have used another DL, though I think Dixon is way underrated. DB is loaded. Only one TE, though he’s a stud. Very happy with OL.

On NIL, neither you or anyone else on this board knows ND’s actual spending or the ratio between prospects and players. I do think it is a priority (bringing in Brady Quinn, etc) but who knows…

Lots of 5 stars every year would be great, but I wouldn’t trade Love for any other RB in that class.

The basketball recruit was from Indiana so i dont think they had to compete in raw dollars for that recruit. They probably got a home town discount.

Based on info leaked through the media over the last several years, there's a serious refusal or lack of will on part of ND to compete for HS/unproven talent of the highest tier due to their NIL demands. But its no longer a choice, its a requirement in order to compete at the highest level of the sport.

The new AD Pete B said that ND would have to compete in NIL in order to compete for national titles but i haven't seen any evidence of it yet in terms of the results on the recruiting trail.

ND instead competes for "B" players in the transfer portal (4th & 5th years) on 6 figure deals while the competition for high 4-star and 5-star talent is higher than ever on the recruiting trail (7 & 8 figures)

Also, in terms of your last point. The most talent laden teams are securing underrated gems like Jerimiyah Love, but also getting the 5-star guys on top. In order to win national titles you have to secure both (its not an either or)

 

[NDinNJ]

The basketball recruit was from Indiana so i dont think they had to compete in raw dollars for that recruit. They probably got a home town discount.

Based on info leaked through the media over the last several years, there's a serious refusal or lack of will on part of ND to compete for HS/unproven talent of the highest tier due to their NIL demands. But its no longer a choice, its a requirement in order to compete at the highest level of the sport.

The new AD Pete B said that ND would have to compete in NIL in order to compete for national titles but i haven't seen any evidence of it yet in terms of the results on the recruiting trail.

ND instead competes for "B" players in the transfer portal (4th & 5th years) on 6 figure deals while the competition for high 4-star and 5-star talent is higher than ever on the recruiting trail (7 & 8 figures)

Also, in terms of your last point. The most talent laden teams are securing underrated gems like Jerimiyah Love, but also getting the 5-star guys on top. In order to win national titles you have to secure both (its not an either or)

You throw this grenade in the forum and yet you ignore my valid questions because your entire narrative is based off of assumptions.

Again I ask, what factual evidence do you have to suggest that the Notre Dame NIL collectives aren't competing with other programs?

Also, what do you believe are the impediments to ND not signing 5 star recruits?

 

[chaseball]

You throw this grenade in the forum and yet you ignore my valid questions because your entire narrative is based off of assumptions.

Again I ask, what factual evidence do you have to suggest that the Notre Dame NIL collectives aren't competing with other programs?

Also, what do you believe are the impediments to ND not signing 5 star recruits?

The reason I didn't respond to your initial question is because I answered that question in a response to another poster. You aren't bringing up anything that I haven't already addressed in one way or another in the thread already.

 

[NDinNJ]

The reason I didn't respond to your initial question is because I answered that question in a response to another poster. You aren't bringing up anything that I haven't already addressed in one way or another in the thread already.

Still waiting for an answer to my questions.

 

[graceh90]

Chase,
I’m really not sure why you come back to this site and make the same argument ad infinitum.

The only thing that I am 100% sure about is that everyone would be happier (including yourself) if you could find a way to change your allegiance to a team that spent more money on five star recruiting

 

[NDinNJ]

It feels like im the only Notre Dame fan in existence tired of this result every year. It's SERIOUSLY capping the upside of the football program.

2025 | 0 5-stars

If you're so concerned, why are you on a forum that has zero influence on the athletic program or how the ND administration views athletics?

Why aren't you taking your case directly to the administration and athletic department? Send them letters, ask them if there is anything you can do to help.

Reach out to Brady Quinn who founded The Fund, ND's NIL collective. Find out what they are paying recruits.

If you are so disheartened with the ND football program, your time would be more useful complaining to them than some anonymous forum wouldn't it?

 

[chaseball]

Chase,
I’m really not sure why you come back to this site and make the same argument ad infinitum.

Because the issue doesn't get addressed or change for the better. Each recruiting cycle is its own year deserving of its own praise or criticism and ND is dropping the ball yet again.

 

[christophero]

There should be a drinking game for every time you bring this up.

 

[NDinNJ]

Because the issue doesn't get addressed or change for the better. Each recruiting cycle is its own year deserving of its own praise or criticism and ND is dropping the ball yet again.

Posting it here does nothing to change what you feel needs to be changed.

Again. If you're so concerned, why are you on a forum that has zero influence on the athletic program or how the ND administration views athletics?

Why aren't you taking your case directly to the administration and athletic department? Send them letters, ask them if there is anything you can do to help.

Reach out to Brady Quinn who founded The Fund, ND's NIL collective. Find out what they are paying recruits.

If you are so disheartened with the ND football program, your time would be more useful complaining to them than some anonymous forum wouldn't it?

 

[ndhuntington]

I would love to get Meadows but probably not happening. I still feel we have a solid class but we need help in the portal dline, wr, k, p,

 

[chaseball]

There should be a drinking game for every time you bring this up.

Has it changed/been addressed? Has ND signed a bunch of 5-stars or won a bunch of national titles or even not gotten completely ran over against tier 1 teams in the post-season since I started bringing this up?

Why is it completely acceptable for posters to whine about meaningless game day minutia every week but its a problem for me to address the shitty results on the recruiting trail every year/throughout the year?

btw im quoting you but addressing the board on one version or another of the point you are making here.

 

[chaseball]

I would love to get Meadows but probably not happening. I still feel we have a solid class but we need help in the portal dline, wr, k, p,

Yes the class is "solid" relative to the top 25 or so teams in the country, but its a miserable failure as a foundation to competing/winning vs tier 1 talent-laden competition that ND will face in the postseason.

 

[NDinNJ]

The reason I didn't respond to your initial question is because I answered that question in a response to another poster. You aren't bringing up anything that I haven't already addressed in one way or another in the thread already.

If you believe ND NIL collectives aren't spending money, why does on3 have them listed as one of the top 15 NIL collectives in college?

On3's top 15 NIL collectives in college sports

Donor-driven NIL collectives will make up 80% of all NIL dollars spent in college football this season. Here are On3’s rankings of the top 15 in college sports.

www.on3.com

 

[chaseball]

If you believe ND NIL collectives aren't spending money, why does on3 have them listed as one of the top 15 NIL collectives in college?

On3's top 15 NIL collectives in college sports

Donor-driven NIL collectives will make up 80% of all NIL dollars spent in college football this season. Here are On3’s rankings of the top 15 in college sports.

www.on3.com

The Friends of the University of Notre Dame (FUND) has kept a low profile throughout the NIL Era, but sources have continued to indicate to On3 that it has the NIL dollars to stay competitive on the national level.

With new athletic director Pete Bevacqua now in charge, the Fighting Irish are more open to embracing new revenue opportunities. A registered nonprofit, the FUND supports all Notre Dame athletes with a focus on football.

The FUND has given Marcus Freeman what he needs to attract top talent in the portal, landing quarterbacks Sam Hartman and Riley Leonard in the last two portal cycles. Former quarterback Brady Quinn sits on the board and spearheaded the foundation of the collective.

The above is what is quoted from the link you provided.

Another point that has already been addressed in the topic. Enough with the bad faith arguments.

 

[christophero]

Why are you so negative? We are one win away from competing in the playoff. Have a beer, eat some tailgate food and enjoy gameday. You'd think we were 5 and 7.

 

[graceh90]

Yes the class is "solid" relative to the top 25 or so teams in the country, but its a miserable failure as a foundation to competing/winning vs tier 1 talent-laden competition that ND will face in the postseason.

“A miserable failure”. This is your impression of a team you spend countless hours and presumably precious dollars following.

Why do you do this to yourself (and more importantly to those of us who come here from all corners because we are too damn far away to come back to our second home)?

 

[chaseball]

“A miserable failure”. This is your impression of a team you spend countless hours and presumably precious dollars following.

Why do you do this to yourself (and more importantly to those of us who come here from all corners because we are too damn far away to come back to our second home)?

With results like these, it shouldn't be comfortable. Fans should be shifting in their chairs, there should be a feeling of pressure in the gut. About missing out, about not being good enough. That's the consequences of getting ran over by the competition. Its hard to ignore the intuitively obvious consequences from results like these on the recruiting trail.

I want it to change for the better, desperately so.

 

[NDinNJ]

The Friends of the University of Notre Dame (FUND) has kept a low profile throughout the NIL Era, but sources have continued to indicate to On3 that it has the NIL dollars to stay competitive on the national level.

With new athletic director Pete Bevacqua now in charge, the Fighting Irish are more open to embracing new revenue opportunities. A registered nonprofit, the FUND supports all Notre Dame athletes with a focus on football.

The FUND has given Marcus Freeman what he needs to attract top talent in the portal, landing quarterbacks Sam Hartman and Riley Leonard in the last two portal cycles. Former quarterback Brady Quinn sits on the board and spearheaded the foundation of the collective.

The above is what is quoted from the link you provided.

Another point that has already been addressed in the topic. Enough with the bad faith arguments.

Fact is they are a top 15 NIL collective. You claim ND isn't spending money on recruits, the reality is they can't, the NIL collectives do. However with revenue sharing starting in 2025, they'll be able to spend directly 20 million.

You should really do some research before you post your drivel and look foolish.

 

[NDinNJ]

With results like these, it shouldn't be comfortable. Fans should be shifting in their chairs, there should be a feeling of pressure in the gut. About missing out, about not being good enough. That's the consequences of getting ran over by the competition. Its hard to ignore the intuitively obvious consequences from results like these on the recruiting trail.

I want it to change for the better, desperately so.

What's the issue? ND is a win away from punching its ticket to the playoff and hosting a playoff game. They also have the best opportunity they've had in a long time to actually win the national championship. There is not one true dominant team this year.

 

[christophero]

True, Georgia was a hot mess last night despite all their 5 stars.

 

[futuredomer]

Marcus Freeman despite whiffing on a lot of 5 star talent is the best recruiter ND has had since CW and he's better than CW cause his classes aren't uneven like CW! 🍀

 

[Granite45]

Based on info leaked through the media over the last several years, there's a serious refusal or lack of will on part of ND to compete for HS/unproven talent of the highest tier due to their NIL demands. But its no longer a choice, its a requirement in order to compete at the highest level of the sport.

Not a requirement, but a choice. A choice i prefer ND to continue to maintain the integrity of Notre Dane and its educational mission as a priority.

Nothing you post suggests even an inkling why you started to be a so-called "fan" of Notre Dame.

 

[graceh90]

Chase,
I feel you. Hell, you stole your avatar from the top of my dorm. I know exactly why that sign was erected.

I’m anxious as hell about the game today, but win or lose, I’m Irish. That includes everything about the university, from admin to the equipment managers. I’m not saying we should all sit around and sing kumbaya and be happy regardless of the outcome, but a little perspective will keep you alive longer if you intend to live Irish for the long term. The Serenity Prayer goes a long way in times like these

 

[BGI User 756]

Why won't it get fixed? Why is it total crickets/a mute topic around the ND mediasphere? What is the deal?

Asked and answered

So go back to the kids table

 

[BGI User 756]

"academic standards" is just self righteous rhetoric that excuses away incompetence/bad leadership at the university. Where were the academic standards during Charlie Weis' top 5 classes/5 star-laden classes?

Yeah, those 3-9 seasons were great

 

[Fightingirish595]

I’m a little disappointed but I trust the evaluations and the player development.

 

[NIN Irish]

I’m a little disappointed but I trust the evaluations and the player development.

Chase, what do all your other handles think?

 

[chaseball]

I’m a little disappointed but I trust the evaluations and the player development.

Why do I have a feeling this has always been your contention going back the last 10 years?

At what point do you start being critical of whatever the hell is going on since the Charlie Weis era on the recruiting trail -- in regards to the talent ND is fielding in relation to their competition -- and not just mindlessly give Notre Dame the benefit of the doubt?

 

[NIN Irish]

I’m a little disappointed but I trust the evaluations and the player development.

Why do I have a feeling this has always been your contention going back the last 10 years?

At what point do you start being critical of whatever the hell is going on since the Charlie Weis era on the recruiting trail -- in regards to the talent ND is fielding in relation to their competition -- and not just mindlessly give Notre Dame the benefit of the doubt?

Why do you continue to talk with yourself? Get help!

 

[Patrish]

Bro, you are making my point.

We were able to secure many 5-star #1 prospects at their position/top 5 prospects during the Charlie Weis era while having arguably even more archaic academic requirements and standards.

If we could do it then, why can't we do it now?

Point being: the issue today is not academic standards, its something else.

 

[Patrish]

And you don’t have any reason to believe that Charlie Weis who had three Super Bowl rings as the offensive coordinator of the Patriots had anything to do with bringing in talent

I asked you the name the players who didn’t meet Notre Dame’s academic standards under Weis, why have you failed to answer that question?

 

[Pennick4]

That $20 mil NIL investment has done wonders for their program. 🤣

 

[ticat]

Why won't it get fixed? Why is it total crickets/a mute topic around the ND mediasphere? What is the deal?

You assume they are a pro franchise...they are a university