ND Recruiting: 2025 class drops to 13th in the 247 composite after the Deuce Knight decommit

[stu4don]

What is your solution, Chase? We've had what six coaches (including Holtz's weak final years) who have underperformed to your matrix of recruiting... Really it has been since what '92 since we got a class that would live up to your standards.

So -- what do you propose? We are a top academic institution -- think Stanford, Northwestern -- that holds our athletes to a high standard. And we are in South Bend (no shade on my alma mater) but it ain't one of the big college football towns, nor a big city or a sexy place to go to school...

You like to cry, cry, cry. What is your solution? A coach? Then who..? Who has taken a smaller market team and made them a top five recruiting juggernaut? Who?!

We are what we are. And I, like a lot of guys who are frustrated by your posts, thank we CAN do it again. But it will never be easy. We are not a semi pro team like OSU, Alabama or Georgia. We'd have to use the Harbaugh model (or Washington last year) good recruiting and great coaching. Given who we are we will never ever be top five in recruiting. Get used to it pal.

But I still think we can find a way to win it all. See what Michigan just did.

 

[NDinNJ]

If we were getting the best Notre Dame could get, we'd have Dante Moore instead of Minchey on this roster (and he'd probably be starting), with incoming top 30 five-star Deuce Knight in the fold to compete with Carr (top 100) & Moore (5-star) for the starting job in 2025.

Instead we got Angeli, Hebert, and Minchey on the roster.

ND needs to open up the purse.

How do you know they aren't? Just because Moore and Knight flipped? Moore's not even starting at Oregon, what makes you think he would have been starting at ND. He's also been a bust to date, look at his stats at UCLA.

When it comes down to it, most of the top 50 and top 100 don't want to go to class, something ND will not compromise on and shouldn't.

 

[Pennick4]

While we're choosing between Carr and Knight our competitors are signing the equivalent of both in back to back years. One elite QB prospect after another.

Yawn

 

[IrishMike409]

What is your solution, Chase? We've had what six coaches (including Holtz's weak final years) who have underperformed to your matrix of recruiting... Really it has been since what '92 since we got a class that would live up to your standards.

So -- what do you propose? We are a top academic institution -- think Stanford, Northwestern -- that holds our athletes to a high standard. And we are in South Bend (no shade on my alma mater) but it ain't one of the big college football towns, nor a big city or a sexy place to go to school...

You like to cry, cry, cry. What is your solution? A coach? Then who..? Who has taken a smaller market team and made them a top five recruiting juggernaut? Who?!

We are what we are. And I, like a lot of guys who are frustrated by your posts, thank we CAN do it again. But it will never be easy. We are not a semi pro team like OSU, Alabama or Georgia. We'd have to use the Harbaugh model (or Washington last year) good recruiting and great coaching. Given who we are we will never ever be top five in recruiting. Get used to it pal.

But I still think we can find a way to win it all. See what Michigan just did.

Great post.

I'll spare you the suspense of waiting for his reply. It'll be:

"Go break the bank and pay for Urban"

 

[IrishMike409]

How do you know they aren't? Just because Moore and Knight flipped? Moore's not even starting at Oregon, what makes you think he would have been starting at ND. He's also been a bust to date, look at his stats at UCLA.

When it comes down to it, most of the top 50 and top 100 don't want to go to class, something ND will not compromise on and shouldn't.

Nailed it

 

[Extirpate 6951]

What is your solution, Chase? We've had what six coaches (including Holtz's weak final years) who have underperformed to your matrix of recruiting... Really it has been since what '92 since we got a class that would live up to your standards.

So -- what do you propose? We are a top academic institution -- think Stanford, Northwestern -- that holds our athletes to a high standard. And we are in South Bend (no shade on my alma mater) but it ain't one of the big college football towns, nor a big city or a sexy place to go to school...

You like to cry, cry, cry. What is your solution? A coach? Then who..? Who has taken a smaller market team and made them a top five recruiting juggernaut? Who?!

We are what we are. And I, like a lot of guys who are frustrated by your posts, thank we CAN do it again. But it will never be easy. We are not a semi pro team like OSU, Alabama or Georgia. We'd have to use the Harbaugh model (or Washington last year) good recruiting and great coaching. Given who we are we will never ever be top five in recruiting. Get used to it pal.

But I still think we can find a way to win it all. See what Michigan just did.

Need to infiltrate the opposition and steal the signals! lols

 

[savvyandsassier]

Great post.

I'll spare you the suspense of waiting for his reply. It'll be:

"Go break the bank and pay for Urban"

No it's not. It doesn't touch upon what 'Chase' is saying at all. Unless ND is already breaking the bank and maxing out financially on prospects, for such a rich school that totally values and prioritizes football success and prestige, and almost depends upon it. Pay what it takes to get Dante Moore, or whatever, 'Duece'. And other top prospects that ND covets, and most importantly that qualify for ND as a top academic school, like NW or Stanford, as apparently that's like some deal-breaking circumstance that perpetually puts ND behind the competitive 8 ball that they could never hope to overcome. If anything NIL is a school like ND's big chance to level the playing field. Because we can afford to pay, I believe so anyway. If they're too squeamish to pay up, which apparently they are, that's their problem. Even though we have a black box collective, thank goodness for ND, and we absolutely do pay players, and without drawing too much untoward or scandalous attention to themselves as pertains to the gritty details, and we can get a guy like RL and retain some of our top upperclassmen, even though every one knows roughly what it took to get old boy at QB, wherever the money came from exactly.

But yes, ND can pay more for players, and get an even better roster, and they can limit the players they aggressively seek out and court with lucrative NIL deals, to players who would otherwise qualify anyway. Just like Stanford could if they wanted to, they could easily spend any amount of money to secure the small pool of elite talent that would qualify for Stanford, and have one of the best rosters in the country, consisting of nothing but legit Stanford level guys. Stanford doesn't care about football and their billiionaire donors and alums presumably consider football boosterism too declasse to be a part of. But they could if they wanted to, and so could ND. I guess that's all 'Chase' is saying, as simplistic as it is.

Personally I don't care. I'm not desperate for ND to pay any price to get the best guys, I'm just saying it's possible to do more. It really is. But to say 'we are not a semi pro team' is just a nothing statement. Then become one. It's legal now.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Well you gotta get on the horn then. Spread the word. This is some real practical football wisdom you got going here. You should apply at McKinsey & Co., to work in their organized sports division. Or maybe we could just use an algorithm, and they'll decide who to offer, based on some star ranking composite formula....

;that you are offended is music to my ears
that you are angry that someone dares to disagree with you makes it better

 

[savvyandsassier]

;that you are offended is music to my ears
that you are angry that someone dares to disagree with you makes it better

We already know what you think....