#1, #4, #9, #10, and #11 all lost
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Nd just needs to win out and they’ll have a first round home game
NDs qb and wrs are better than Michigan's but he doesn't think they have deep issues. That's a negative bias then
Notre Dame is better then Penn State, Iowa State. Clemson, Miami, LSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Oregon. Alabama, Georgia Texas and Ohio State are a tier above but beatable if we get our offense together.
WOW, I like what you are smoking! That N.IL loss was a killer. So far ND has not played to their potential. RL stinks, lets just win the next game. WGAF where ND is ranked, 11-1 and playoffs is the goal, thats all
You’re right, ND was a 28.5 point favorite, Alabama was only a 23.5 point favorite, ND’s loss was far more disastrous !
now I will admit the NIU loss WOULD have seemed equivalent if it was NOT for losses to Marshall. Tulsa. ETC
I’ll GLADLY take this.
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College football is corrupt and has given ND the short end often enough. Some are loudly contesting this playoff qualifying ranking. Because ND is enough of a market brand to be a playoff draw.
Again, I’ll take it!
I’m questioning ND quality, which we all do, offering my own tiered ranking.
I’ve no issue with the official ranking putting ND high.
I think an argument could be made for us to be a little higher. Clemson's #10, for example. They jumped us due to their "big" 29-13 win over FSU. But that doesn't sound that impressive when you realize BC also beat FSU, 28-13, and SMU beat them, 42-16. If anything, SMU's being very underrated here at #25, after they also beat Louisville this week to go to 5-1.
But Clemson hasn't beaten anyone good. They have no ranked wins; we have one, over #15 TX A&M.
Bro, I’m as loyal as any other ND fan but I’m also logical and honest.
ND is not better than any of those teams you listed sans ISU. That’s not to say they couldn’t compete with some of them if matched up, but in CFB the teams with the best QB play typically win each week.
Those losses were in previous years and have nothing to do with this year‘s upsets with NIU and Vanderbilt
ND’s loss to NIU was more disastrous
Marshall was a horrible loss, NIU seems worse because ND was ranked higher. The quality of the programs is near equal.
When one team is favored by 28.5 points and loses, it’s a more disastrous loss than a team that’s favored by 23.5 points losing.
Unless of course you don’t believe in math
My view is they were both heavily favored and both lost by relatively small margins. The net net is something like 3 points comparing points favored and points beaten, etc…. Math aside, my subjective view is that the ND loss was worse. Playing at home against a team with vastly inferior talent; while Alabama played on the road in a hostile environment against a team with vastly inferior talent, but talent vastly superior to NIU.
Regardless, if both Alabama and ND win out, I think each will be in the playoffs and the argument as to which had the more disastrous loss will be mute.
Really Miami is beyond lucky terrible defense. Penn State has played nobody..
Absurd!
After 4/5 weeks you say those are the best teams...
based on what?
What someone else is telling you.
I swear the sheep never fail to astound me with these blind broad brush trendy statements.
Funny...so the Bama/UGA game...whoa everyone says what a game. This is the two best teams because look at that score and how it happened.
Alrighty then...it was a good game. Period. Nothing more. Nothing less. Either team might not be that special. If two average teams play a good game against each other it's not earth shattering. It's simply a good game.
I hate the polls. Polls should NOT be allowed to publish rankings until week 7. Playoff rankings ...the last week of the season.
By week 7 there will be some teams that have played some decent opponents. One can get an idea how teams should be ranked. By week 7 the SEC teams refuse playing north the mason dixon line so keep that in mind while the talking heads guide your thinking to rankings.
A week 7 poll also doesn't penalize teams for having started the year unranked.
NOBODY is ranked to start. After week 7 any undefeated teams can't be ranked lower than any defeated teams. It doesn't matter about any hypotheticals. Period.
BUT...
polls sell copy and get clicks and people can't help themselves dying to know in March where "their" team will be ranked for the season that will start in only 6 months.
End of rant.
Ohio St is loaded with talent and the games have born that out. The rest seem to be vulnerable due to transfers and turnover.
I hate the polls. Polls should NOT be allowed to publish rankings until week 7. Playoff rankings ...the last week of the season
AGREE 100%
AGREE 100%
Their schedule is a fricking joke as always. They have played no one so far. We will see how good they are against Oregon, their first opponent worth a shit
Hard to argue with that.
I throw in GA and AL. Yes, even AL in spite of the V loss. De Boer evidently isn't Saban, so a trap game loss is possible now for the Crimson Tide...but still a damn good team from what I see.
I also am keeping watch on Oregon. Game vs OSU should be revealing. Also, many don't keep in mind these are college kids, where even the top 4 might have a weak game...but they are consistent across a season.
As others discuss, there is a season to play...but my bet would be on 1 of the aforementioned 4. And unpleasant as it is to say, it must be said: ND isn't in that bet. I'd love to be wrong.
I didn’t want to start a new thread.
It’s garbage that the Alabama player can (apparently) deliberately slam the Vandy QB’s head into the ground and there’s no suspension. Yet a defender can accidentally cause helmet to helmet contact and get ejected from the game.
There should be a rule change. That should be reviewable by the conference and a half a game/full game suspension issued IMO.
So much hypocrisy within the game of football.
It’s garbage that the Alabama player can (apparently) deliberately slam the Vandy QB’s head into the ground and there’s no suspension. Yet a defender can accidentally cause helmet to helmet contact and get ejected from the game.
There should be a rule change. That should be reviewable by the conference and a half a game/full game suspension issued IMO.
So much hypocrisy within the game of football.
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My problem with this is that it doesn't acknowledge reality.
You can't just dismiss all the evidence and performance data out there that quantifies the quality of these teams because you want to or feel like it or dont like what it says.
if Notre Dame was one of the best teams in the country, locked somewhere inside the top 5 like the modern powers in the sport, you'd probably love you some early polls.
Absolutely positively not!
Don't you dare assume what I'd think. You apparently spend too much time chatting with the trendy posters....
Which....
Is....
Not...
ME!!!!
I don’t want any rankings until week 7.
P E R I O D
Ranking teams based on assumptions and hypotheticals is absurd.
If it's done after week 7 everyone has a decent idea who is approximately ranked where, or should be ranked, where.
The polls begin then. Way too hard for an off the polls radar unranked team to claw their way to the top if they started unranked.
Moreover, teams ranked in the top 5 have to play piss poor for 3 weeks, maybe 4, to possibly even jeopardize falling out of the rankings.
BTW...
What is all the amazing evidence and data as you say our there I'm ignoring?
This whole thing flies right over your head.
Allow me to help you...
If 1 and 2 play each other in week 3
no matter the outcome....close contest, blowout, no matter....
What's it REALLY say?
NOTHING!
Why?
Way too early because it very well might be possible, and LIKELY, that these teams shouldn't be ranked 1&2 regardless.
So if #2 beats #1 or #4 beats #1.... come end of the year they might both possess 2 or 3 losses. Or more.
Beating ranked teams in the first 6 weeks means exactly zip!
To go one better...
in 2024...
There is no really earth stopping upsets any longer.
Teams can't stack talent like they once did. Talent rich? Yes. Talent 3 and 4 players deep at each postion? Not any longer.
Kids are very much me first now and the NCAA has obliged them to transfer with no penalty, and no limitations.
Players sign, attend, and then see it might be 2 or three years before they see playing time. They want to play now. Right now!
Parity is at an all time high in CFB and when you factor in the fact that points are scored by everyone today. The game promotes offense now and the spread even more so. Hurry up offense, wide hash marks, future sunday players lining up against some who will never see a snap on Sunday...and teams are going to score.
If they come in with a good game plan and you have just one of those "off" days...one of those games every coach has had where if you played 10 times you'd win 9 of them but on this day nothing is working...it can happen.
Today with talent littered throughout all teams more than ever and you will have these upsets.
That all said these upsets today are NOT earth stopping or have the same awe striking water cooler moment of moons ago.
Michigan was really the beginning and the guinea pig in this with that App state game. You could sense talent was getting more wide spread.
Today we have the portals and players allowed to play musical chairs with teams every year and these kind of upsets will happen.
I wonder if it is that more teams are running a passing attack out of the spread. It seems like it's easier for a spread qb to have an off day than the entire I formation goon squad.
I completely agree.
Let me tell ya...
I can have eleven players and run the student body right...
If I coach them all properly we can always make hay. Pending talent the gains can be some to somewhat substantial but make no mistake we can always get positive yardage.
The spread however is a lot tougher to "always" have success.
It all begins and ends with one player. The QB. If he's off and or just not that great to begin with, and doesn't have his A game working it can be trouble.
Power football any one or all of 3 or 4 backs can have a successful day.
As a coach it's easier to have an off day or rather out coach your own self in the spread than simple power football.
NIU played downhill against us and we didn't show them one deep ball threat...just one threat to plant the seed ahd make them play us honest.
The QB doesn't have much deep ball to send that warning. That could be a big part of it but will pose big problems going forward as another team will get off the bus selling out on defense and we won't make them pay. Afraid of failure or simply incapable. You can be the judge of that.
I absolutely would not. These early rankings are nothing but popularity/beauty contests. Lets just assume that this team is going to be really good, they have a lot of potential. They mean absolutely nothing, nobody knows shit until they have played half the season. Early polls are complete garbage.
I quoted your post but this is also in response to 88ND.
Things like recruiting classes, talent, program track record, returning stats/production are all indicative of team quality. These are the components that a lot of early polls are based off of.
These are all components that correlate to winning football games.
Point being we have evidence and data with which we can use to immediately start ranking teams so why wouldn't we rank them?
