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to unranked teams. It won’t shock me if # 8 Miami loses either to Cal.

I still think UGA, Texas, OSU, Bama, are the best teams but it shows this could be a wild year.

Many don’t want to hear this but I’m starting to think LSU could be a sleeper as no one is talking about them, they’ll get Ole Miss this next week though. A&M is setting themselves up well too. Their best opponents left are home games against LSU and Texas.

I also said Clemson would win the ACC after their loss to UGA, I think they’re really improving each week.

Lastly, two weeks ago I thought ND has little hope at the Coliseum because of our erratic QB play. However, USC can’t stop anyone’s run game. ND could seemingly grind it out and wear them down.
 
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to unranked teams. It won’t shock me if # 8 Miami loses either to Cal.

I still think UGA, Texas, OSU, Bama, are the best teams but it shows this could be a wild year.

Many don’t want to hear this but I’m starting to think LSU could be a sleeper as no one is talking about them, they’ll get Ole Miss this next week though. A&M is setting themselves up well too. Their best opponents left are home games against LSU and Texas.

I also said Clemson would win the ACC after their loss to UGA, I think they’re really improving each week.

Lastly, two weeks ago I thought ND has little hope at the Coliseum because of our erratic QB play. However, USC can’t stop anyone’s run game. ND could seemingly grind it out and wear them down.
In the grand scheme of things these losses don't really mean all that much. Some really good teams lost to some mediocre teams today it was a very weird weekend of upsets it happens in college football that doesn't mean that you throw out the last several years of data and evaluations of these programs you just incorporate the data into what's already established

Nothing really changes in terms of the big picture of college football
 
Yup. It all helps ND make rankings gains. I expected the top teams to lose eventually, but these have been surprises.

Alabama is the most shocking. Rivals ND losing to NI.

;)
 
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In the grand scheme of things these losses don't really mean all that much. Some really good teams lost to some mediocre teams today it was a very weird weekend of upsets it happens in college football that doesn't mean that you throw out the last several years of data and evaluations of these programs you just incorporate the data into what's already established

Nothing really changes in terms of the big picture of college football
Of course it does. These games count. Teams will move up and down based off today.

Also a lot of these teams now can't afford another loss or it's over

Very significant day in cfb
 
Of course it does. These games count. Teams will
Yup. It all helps ND make rankings gains. I expected the top teams to lose, but here have been surprises.

Alabama is the most shocking. Rivals ND losing to NI.

;)
This isn't 2019 anymore one loss in college football doesn't really mean anything anymore

All of these top teams that lost today are all teams that are still going to compete for playoff spots and conference championships down the stretch and be favored against Notre Dame in the playoffs in the event they get there

I don't get why people are acting like the Notre Dame football program just got better today or something because some good teams in the SEC experienced a random loss 😆
 
I also said Clemson would win the ACC after their loss to UGA, I think they’re really improving each week.
I think Clemson goes at least 10-2 and is a contender. Maybe even for the title.

How about 5-0 Pitt? First time since 1990 I believe I saw. Kind of surprising on both accounts.
 
This isn't 2019 anymore one loss in college football doesn't really mean anything anymore

All of these top teams that lost today are all teams that are still going to compete for playoff spots and conference championships down the stretch and be favored against Notre Dame in the playoffs in the event they get there

I don't get why people are acting like the Notre Dame football program just got better today or something because some good teams in the SEC experienced a random loss 😆
Michigan and SC because they lost today they can't afford another loss this year or it's over. So yes it was HUGE for them. And we're better than both and would be favored over both but they don't have much of a chance after today. But not significant, right?

Missouri needed that win today if they wanted to be a real contender. They are going to lose a couple more games. Maybe if they were 10 and 2 they could have made it but now not happening. We would be favored over Missouri as well.

I'm just laughing at you and all your narratives today! Rough rough day for you

🤣🤣
 
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This isn't 2019 anymore one loss in college football doesn't really mean anything anymore

All of these top teams that lost today are all teams that are still going to compete for playoff spots and conference championships down the stretch and be favored against Notre Dame in the playoffs in the event they get there

I don't get why people are acting like the Notre Dame football program just got better today or something because some good teams in the SEC experienced a random loss 😆

I generally agree. I posted on another thread that losses today don't contextualize ND so much. There are still too many variables, a long season to play...and I don't believe what we saw negates some fairly evident matters: ND has issues around the OL, RL, Denbrock, and MF.

My eyes test says AL is stronger than ND. It doesn't change with an admittedly shocking loss to V. The burden of proof lies with ND given recent history and this season...albeit AL is post Saban, which isn't a minor point either.

Welcome to the fun of sports...thrashing predictability. And on that...if ND runs the table, hey, playoffs loom! I'd take that.

Of course, we might be arguing here if ND drops 1+ games. That too can happen. We will see.
 
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I do think there are scenarios that a team can make the playoffs with 3 losses.

Just spitballing but what if a team like LSU who lost to USC (OOC) and to let’s say Ole Miss but then beats both A&M and Bama and goes to the title game and loses a heartbreaker to Texas, they would be 10-3 with a shot.

Or maybe UM, they lost to Texas (OOC) and now to UW. Let’s suppose they lose to Oregon (close loss) at home and then win at OSU. If OSU is the #1 team, does a 9-3 UM get left out.

A lot of things have to happen but it is possible. I think it’s only likely to occur if it’s an SEC or B1G team. That won’t happen with the B12, or ACC.

In most scenarios a team would likely have to lose to a quality OOC opponent and go 7-2 in conference play.
 
I do think there are scenarios that a team can make the playoffs with 3 losses.

Just spitballing but what if a team like LSU who lost to USC (OOC) and to let’s say Ole Miss but then beats both A&M and Bama and goes to the title game and loses a heartbreaker to Texas, they would be 10-3 with a shot.

Or maybe UM, they lost to Texas (OOC) and now to UW. Let’s suppose they lose to Oregon (close loss) at home and then win at OSU. If OSU is the #1 team, does a 9-3 UM get left out.

A lot of things have to happen but it is possible. I think it’s only likely to occur if it’s an SEC or B1G team. That won’t happen with the B12, or ACC.

In most scenarios a team would likely have to lose to a quality OOC opponent and go 7-2 in conference play.
Yes um would be left out
 
We should be back in the top 10 and should leap LSU and Maybe Ole Miss with Texas A&M win even bigger now.

1 Texas
2 Ohio State
3 Alabama
4 Georgia
5 Oregon
6 Penn State
7 Ole Miss
8 ND
9 LSU
10 Clemson
 
We should be back in the top 10 and should leap LSU and Maybe Ole Miss with Texas A&M win even bigger now.

1 Texas
2 Ohio State
3 Alabama
4 Georgia
5 Oregon
6 Penn State
7 Ole Miss
8 ND
9 LSU
10 Clemson
Georgia will be above Bama
 
The four best teams are still Texas, OSU, Bama, and UGA IMO. But opinions are like a holes, everybody has one.

That said the rankings will probably go
1. Texas
2. OSU
3. UGA
4. Oregon
5. Bama
6. PSU
7. Ole Miss
8. LSU
9. Tennessee
10. Clemson
and ..
11. ND

Some guy on X was running simulations for various teams and he covered ND winning out and had their ceiling at #5 and low at #7, if they win out. For playoff seeding..
 
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The four best teams are still Texas, OSU, Bama, and UGA IMO. But opinions are like a holes, everybody has one.

That said the rankings will probably go
1. Texas
2. OSU
3. UGA
4. Oregon
5. Bama
6. PSU
7. Ole Miss
8. LSU
9. Tennessee
10. Clemson
and ..
11. ND

Some guy on X was running simulations for various teams and he covered ND winning out and had their ceiling at #5 and low at #7, if they win out. For playoff seeding..
That’s a good ranking. Based on the teams I have watched, and having watched every Notre Dame game, I would not rank Notre Dame in the top 10.
 
That’s a good ranking. Based on the teams I have watched, and having watched every Notre Dame game, I would not rank Notre Dame in the top 10.
Probably #12 with Miami coming back for the win.

Some might not agree on Clemson but they’re playing very good FB and Klubnick finally seems to be playing up to his original hype. I always thought they were top 10, UGA is just really good.
 
Lou Holt but me screaming into the air. So many great teams with one loss & shut out. It's crazy that ND lost to NIU and we got a chance. Does a two loss Bama team make playoffs?
 
No question a two loss Bama team is in. Last year the two-loss power 5 teams were 8-12 in the final rankings and only Oklahoma (at 12) would have been out. Would a two loss ND team be able to get the 11? It would require a lot of things to happen starting with an ACC and Big 12 Champ in the top 10, probably Texas A&M in the SEC championship game and maybe Louisville to beat Kentucky and Miami or USC catching fire in the Big 10. Best not to lose again.
 
In the grand scheme of things these losses don't really mean all that much. Some really good teams lost to some mediocre teams today it was a very weird weekend of upsets it happens in college football that doesn't mean that you throw out the last several years of data and evaluations of these programs you just incorporate the data into what's already established

Nothing really changes in terms of the big picture of college football
lol. And inflation is transitory.
 
In the past, there would be arguments over a third team being denied a chance to play for the national title. Now we'll have arguments about 20 teams being left out of the 12-team playoff.
 
In the past, there would be arguments over a third team being denied a chance to play for the national title. Now we'll have arguments about 20 teams being left out of the 12-team playoff.
Lol, yes. Exactly
 
In the past, there would be arguments over a third team being denied a chance to play for the national title. Now we'll have arguments about 20 teams being left out of the 12-team playoff.
In the present, Saturday's final scores matter very little.
 
In the past, there would be arguments over a third team being denied a chance to play for the national title. Now we'll have arguments about 20 teams being left out of the 12-team playoff.

The former is a legitimate argument. The latter isn’t worth taking seriously.
 
The 12 team playoff solves an important problem: you will get the best 6 or so teams in. The rest, as many point out, aren't as important to get 100%.

Having slept on it, digesting these upsets, it doesn't change for me that ND is not top 10, maybe even top 15, until proven. AL losing to V in a tough conference, after having beat GA, is not analogous to ND losing to NI...never mind the quality of overall play through this season.

But that said, ND has an opportunity to run the table and turn it around. Perhaps make the playoffs. I still am skeptical about MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL...but this is why the games are played.
 
The 12 team playoff solves an important problem: you will get the best 6 or so teams in. The rest, as many point out, aren't as important to get 100%.

Having slept on it, digesting these upsets, it doesn't change for me that ND is not top 10, maybe even top 15, until proven. AL losing to V in a tough conference, after having beat GA, is not analogous to ND losing to NI...never mind the quality of overall play through this season.

But that said, ND has an opportunity to run the table and turn it around. Perhaps make the playoffs. I still am skeptical about MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL...but this is why the games are played.
So in this argument, the fact that Georgia State beat Vandy is dismissed?
 
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So in this argument, the fact that Georgia State beat Vandy is dismissed?


Yes...out of my ignorance! I forget all the facts and clearly don't know all of them. This is unscientific.

;)

Again, V is not so bad from what I've seen. SEC is ACTUALLY tough, with lots of good teams. As I said, AL is really in transition post Saban...and as sometimes happens failed in a trap game.

I go by what I see on game days...AL is clearly > ND, by a good clip. I don't walk sway from yesterday thinking AL has deep issues that need to be corrected. Their D failed them, but I still think it was an on the day failure...whereas ND has the deep issues around MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL.

I love the Irish. I'm the biggest fan. But I play a thought experiment about my sports teams: what if you had to bet your net worth? I wouldn't on the Irish vs the slew of teams I listed.

I had that confidence in the Holtz era as a teen.
 
Yes...out of my ignorance! I forget all the facts and clearly don't know all of them. This is unscientific.

;)

Again, V is not so bad from what I've seen. SEC is ACTUALLY tough, with lots of good teams. As I said, AL is really in transition post Saban...and as sometimes happens failed in a trap game.

I go by what I see on game days...AL is clearly > ND, by a good clip. I don't walk sway from yesterday thinking AL has deep issues that need to be corrected. Their D failed them, but I still think it was an on the day failure...whereas ND has the deep issues around MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL.

I love the Irish. I'm the biggest fan. But I play a thought experiment about my sports teams: what if you had to bet your net worth? I wouldn't on the Irish vs the slew of teams I listed.

I had that confidence in the Holtz era as a teen.
Lol

Bama still significantly better than ND, but not unbeatable as yesterday showed. And Vandy is playing tough, I have seen large parts of 4 of their games. But they also are capable of losing to Ga State…

Texas has shown they are loaded. UGA and Bama are bigger and stronger and faster than us. Those 3 are in the top tier. The rest have not proven to me that they are 100% probable winners, including Tenn and OSU.
 
Lol

Bama still significantly better than ND, but not unbeatable as yesterday showed. And Vandy is playing tough, I have seen large parts of 4 of their games. But they also are capable of losing to Ga State…

Texas has shown they are loaded. UGA and Bama are bigger and stronger and faster than us. Those 3 are in the top tier. The rest have not proven to me that they are 100% probable winners, including Tenn and OSU.

Nothing you said is in violent disagreement with my view. We acknowledge some probabilities in a hypothetical matches across tiers...just some minor differences in who is in what tier.

I reckon like so: closer tiers have closer odds on the results. AL is more likely to best ND than MI is...but I'd still put higher odds on both in this context, maybe 80% AL and 60% MI.

You made a short but great point about Vandy: they are tough. Yes, capable of losing to GA State, but yet capable of beating AL...SEC is tough, affirming an established continuity where outliers happen. This context for me lessens doubts about AL vs ND losing to NI.
 
Nothing you said is in violent disagreement with my view. We acknowledge some probabilities in a hypothetical matches across tiers...just some minor differences in who is in what tier.

I reckon like so: closer tiers have closer odds on the results. AL is more likely to best ND than MI is...but I'd still put higher odds on both in this context, maybe 80% AL and 60% MI.

You made a short but great point about Vandy: they are tough. Yes, capable of losing to GA State, but yet capable of beating AL...SEC is tough, affirming an established continuity where outliers happen. This context for me lessens doubts about AL vs ND losing to NI.
Gotcha. Agreed

Wash for example, lost to Rutgers and Wash State already. Beat a couple patsies in Weber State and EMU, and NW. but beat Mich. I think ND > Mich
 
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Gotcha. Agreed

Wash for example, lost to Rutgers and Wash State already. Beat a couple patsies in Weber State and EMU, and NW. but beat Mich. I think ND > Mich


Fair enough.

I ultimately go by the eye test...studying results and statistics to see some correlations.

But ultimately we make fuzzy conclusions in route to who will eventually be champion.

It's fun...and I surely want ND to be that tier 1 team...hence my incessant angst and ranting here during the season.

:D
 
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Yes...out of my ignorance! I forget all the facts and clearly don't know all of them. This is unscientific.

;)

Again, V is not so bad from what I've seen. SEC is ACTUALLY tough, with lots of good teams. As I said, AL is really in transition post Saban...and as sometimes happens failed in a trap game.

I go by what I see on game days...AL is clearly > ND, by a good clip. I don't walk sway from yesterday thinking AL has deep issues that need to be corrected. Their D failed them, but I still think it was an on the day failure...whereas ND has the deep issues around MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL.

I love the Irish. I'm the biggest fan. But I play a thought experiment about my sports teams: what if you had to bet your net worth? I wouldn't on the Irish vs the slew of teams I listed.

I had that confidence in the Holtz era as a teen.
According to you, ND has deep issues where other programs do not

Got it
 
Nothing you said is in violent disagreement with my view. We acknowledge some probabilities in a hypothetical matches across tiers...just some minor differences in who is in what tier.

I reckon like so: closer tiers have closer odds on the results. AL is more likely to best ND than MI is...but I'd still put higher odds on both in this context, maybe 80% AL and 60% MI.

You made a short but great point about Vandy: they are tough. Yes, capable of losing to GA State, but yet capable of beating AL...SEC is tough, affirming an established continuity where outliers happen. This context for me lessens doubts about AL vs ND losing to NI.
BTW Georgia Tech (on our schedule) beat Georgia State, 35-12.
 
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Gotcha. Agreed

Wash for example, lost to Rutgers and Wash State already. Beat a couple patsies in Weber State and EMU, and NW. but beat Mich. I think ND > Mich
I think we're better than Michigan, too. Michigan's offense is in even more disarray than ours.
 
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BTW: I watched Miami come back to beat Cal.

Highway robbery on a late targeting call when Cal was driving and running out the clock.

100% targeting. Even the announcers were astonished. Check out this quote:

“Back-to-back weeks Miami is in a situation where it comes down to replay and you question if the officials are getting the calls correct,” ESPN analyst Brock Osweiler said on the broadcast. “I do not know by the definition of the rulebook, how that is not targeting… By definition that is 100 percent targeting.”

The margins can be small. Refs can and do apply corruption. 2nd week in a row ACC officials bail out Miami in critical moments. Absolutely impacting the outcome. It never ceases to amaze me how corruption rears itself.

I get some say Cal should never have allowed Miami back into the game. But fair is fair. A Miami loss would have helped the Irish, who aren't getting such favoritism, denying pop culture fiction on this.
 
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