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Basketball MBB: Defense disappears for Notre Dame MBB in home loss to Elon

Tyler James
Elon got comfortable in Purcell Pavilion on Friday night. That led to an upset victory over previously undefeated Notre Dame.

“On the defensive end, that’s not how we play defense,” said Irish center Kebba Njie. “That’s not what I feel like Coach Shrews (Micah Shrewsberry) built this program to be about. I think offensively, we played pretty well, but there’s a lot of our defense that didn’t show up really too much tonight.”

Story by Bill Bilinski:

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Defense disappears for Notre Dame MBB in home loss to Elon

Notre Dame allowed Elon to score 84 points and shoot 57% from the field
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Underwood to Michigan

futuredomer
Golson5 said:
The MAYBE made me

🤣🤣🤣🤣

What a stupid comment
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1%...and someone who has never seen elite NC' ND football! I get it now!! Sad you have no idea, you never saw these guys in ND stadium or 27 other CFB stadiums around the country...you know guy's like Ross Browner or Luther Bradley or Joe Montana or Tim Brown or Rocket Ismail or Jerome Bettis or Bryant Young and I could go on and on and on! Hold onto your RL.
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Underwood to Michigan

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chaseball said:
We got tools to answer this question. That's why F+ and other advanced ranking systems exist.

Despite the head to head loss Texas has done more vs their schedule than Georgia has vs theirs which is why F+ has them rated higher.

Texas has 11 five star players on their 85 man roster to NDs 1 five star player.

Texas is the #2 team in F+ through week 12 to NDs #8 F+ rank. Texas has the #1 defense to NDs #3 defense (but they also have a top 10 offense as well)

Am I the only person on this forum who gets really fed up with people doubling down/ arguing in the face of ever mounting evidence against their point of view? Only to return weeks later (after the evidence/data is proven correct) to continue to argue in the face of the evidence again and again and again (even with the benefit of hindsight)?

At what point does your desire for reality kick in and become more important than your ego?
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You forgot one thing, I don't give a shit about F+. I think it's an embarrassment to ranking systems

I stopped reading when you used that as an example
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Meadows

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Get Nasty said:
Williams can’t even sniff the field yet at the easiest position to play … that’s not me writing him off, but I’m also realistic that the odds are against him if you can’t even get on the field with not great wr play

Bettis isn’t playing wr at any point

All of our wrs are rated 5.6 or 5.7… thats the worst in the last 30 years I’ve been following

Odds are that only one makes any form of impact at the position
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A lot of our top wrs didn't play or do much as freshman. He's way too talented to give up on. I won't be surprised if he is starting or our big play wr next year

I thought the same about Bettis before his senior year. Now I won't be surprised if he gets some run as an older player at ND

I don't care what Burress is rated. Although 247 now rates him in their top 247. I just watch the film and he could play. Don't care his ranking

If we only have 1 guy that impacts the position, okay. It's not the end of the world
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Meadows

chaseball
ndhuntington said:
I don't mind spending money on transfers that are proven vs some high school kid who hasn't played a down of college football. I feel like we should be able to find decent wide receivers in the portal more worried about defensive tackle recruiting those big boys are hard to find.
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The problem is that there's very little upside/star players to be had in the transfer portal. Minus few exceptions, all of the upside is in highly rated HS prospects who haven't been evaluated/discarded by another FBS program.

We all want to guarantee a return on our investment with the least amount of risk possible .. but that comes at the cost of little to no upside on the roster.

ND needs to embrace the risk and have way more risk tolerance as it relates to their talent acquisition strategy/roster building.
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Meadows

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Golson5 said:
They're all underclassmen.

You're always negative. We get it. You wanted Freeman gone after his first game as a DC and you have to keep up that same energy because you want to be right
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He was an average DC that required Kelly to step in and help coach the D… that’s saying something

He has a chance to be a really good CEO.. we’ll see if he has taken a step forward this next 1-2 months. I sure hope so
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Meadows

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chaseball said:
I usually will put some effort into my responses and provide all the numbers and data and evidence available. Site a bunch of sources use a bunch of advanced ranking systems cite the consolidated view of a prospect in the industry as rated by the professionals etc etc etc but I've done all that a million times and it simply doesn't resonate certainly not with you so I'm not even going to bother this time

I'll just say that I wish I could be as naive as you and find some kind of hope in this hopeless AF situation
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Can you tell us how F+ is calculated and what it actually means? What is the actual criterion (criteria) against which F+ is validated?
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