I applaud your confidence in your posts, truly. There’s no need to go into what economists and data analysts do on the board, no patronizing necessary.

This idea that “more schools would bid beyond 10M if it weren’t for the economic power struggle” is just a statement that you claim, with no actual data or source. It reminds me of the person who starts a claim off with “statistics say….” and never actually claim their source. I’m well aware of revenue sharing ideas and university’s reluctancy to share with the players.

That really doesn’t have much to do with paying a high school kid $10M. You see, recruiting in college is far more unpredictable than the NFL draft. So many more players, all different levels of competition, and the most difficult aspect of recruiting as a whole: will this player continue to improve and progress? Or, are they at their peak athletically. Thats a very difficult prediction for a 17/18 year old.

For instance the class of 2020 pro style QB’s on Rivals. #1 QB was DJ Uiagalelei, only other 5 star was QB #2 Harrison Bailey, no idea who he is today. 4 star CJ Stroud after them. So only 1 of these 3 is probably worth big money right? What are the odds someone realizes it’s neither 5 star at the time? After going over the top 20 QBs from that class, maybe 2 were even decent?

This idea teams pay all this money up front before athletes prove they can even play at this competition seems misguided, and somewhat foolish.

And maybe you’ll prove me wrong and there will be a line of teams waiting to spend $10M on a recruit. I would imagine if they do it’s from the pocket of the wealthiest of donors who aren’t looking for a good business decision.

Holycrossover3 said:

Well currently you and Michigan’s NIL collective are the only ones that believe he’s worth that massive investment. Time will tell who is correct.

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I think you are still overlooking the point I'm trying to make. Let's summarize:

$10 million relative to the revenues for a blue blood like Michigan is chump change.

More schools would be bidding beyond $10 million for number one consensus prospects if they weren't in an economic /political power struggle with the labor that's producing their wealth

Opportunistic football operations offices are looking ahead and seeing the inefficiency in the market for the cost of talent (Of course Notre Dame is not one of those colleges)

You can pay $10 million dollars to a prospect understanding that there's a good chance that prospect doesn't realize his potential (because most prospects don't realize their potential) and that you may not get $10 million back on that isolated/specific investment but still understand that the process of paying $10 million dollars for a prospect of Bryce Underwood's caliber is worth it

There are ways to quantify all of this and get a good understanding of what the fair market value is for a prospect of Bryce Underwood's caliber with the baked in risk involved in the cost. This is what economists and data analysts do for a living for businesses all across the country

chaseball said:

I've made some heavy edits to pretty much every post in this thread as a result of poor grammer due to voice transcription. So I would go back and reread my posts where I tried to clarify my point and delete some of the distracting parallels I was drawing to Major League baseball.

Anyway every business wants a 100% guarantee return on their investment but that's just not how the business world works.

I think what economist do is try to figure out what the fair market value is for a prospect with the built in risk of the investment being considered in that cost.

So like I said will Bryce Underwood specifically return the 10 million on Michigan's investment ? Who knows ...

But is it worth it to invest 10 million into a prospect of his caliber who may fully reach his potential? Yes very much so is my opinion

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Well currently you and Michigan’s NIL collective are the only ones that believe he’s worth that massive investment. Time will tell who is correct.

Holycrossover3 said:

So many variables in today’s college football.

Dante Moore was “Underwood” 2 years ago. I wonder if UCLA is enjoying their investment? Or if Ohio State enjoyed their Quinn Ewers investment?

I’ll say this, it’s really easy to risk money that isn’t yours.

Below I’ve left a link for you to ND’s NIL collective. You can donate/send a message as to how the NIL should be run at ND, probably more productive than posting on this board.

https://www.fundfoundation.org/

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I've made some heavy edits to pretty much every post in this thread as a result of poor grammer due to voice transcription. So I would go back and reread my posts where I tried to clarify my point and delete some of the distracting parallels I was drawing

Anyway every business wants a 100% guarantee return on their investment but that's just not how the business world works.

I think what economist do is try to figure out what the fair market value is for a prospect with the built in risk of the investment being considered in that cost.

So like I said will Bryce Underwood specifically return the 10 million on Michigan's investment ? Who knows ...

But is it worth it to invest 10 million into a prospect of his caliber who may fully reach his potential? Yes very much so is my opinion

NDinNJ said:

There are expenses as well. Plus they are supporting the other non-revenue sports. You're a moron. Go to school and take a couple of business and finance classes. I've included a recent report below. from the chart in the article you take the revenue and SUBTRACT the expenses to get the NET revenue, which may not even be the profit, but let's say it is, Ohio State most revenue, but just under $25 million after expenses. math is your friend, I suggest you brush up.

Add in the fact that you have no clue what or how Notre Dame is spending their revenue, you're simply assuming. You have a very unhealthy relationship with college football in general, and I highly suggest you seek professional help, because you appear to be psychotic.

USA Today releases Top 25 revenue earning college athletic programs for 2022

USA Today has released a database of the total revenue produced by college programs during the 2022-23 athletics year.

www.on3.com

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Nobody has any clue how these athletic departments are spending their money in any specific line-by-line sense all we can do is speculate based on the limited information that is available

All we know is that these colleges are making huge sums of money in a multi-billion dollar industry and are able to skirt any type of labor laws in the name of amateurism and academics 😂

As these major college football teams make their institutions prodigiously wealthy beyond their wildest wet dreams I have a hard time finding any sort of sympathy for them or their plight. It's the players who are blowing out their bodies with a really small window to earn and cash in on their skills that I sympathize with

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As for whether or not Bryce Underwood is worth it I think any business investment comes with a certain degree of risk. So Even though he may not be worth 10 million specifically it might still be a really good business practice to risk 10 million at the chance that a prospect of his caliber fully reaches his potential and the organization strikes gold

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So many variables in today’s college football.

Dante Moore was “Underwood” 2 years ago. I wonder if UCLA is enjoying their investment? Or if Ohio State enjoyed their Quinn Ewers investment?

I’ll say this, it’s really easy to risk money that isn’t yours.

Below I’ve left a link for you to ND’s NIL collective. You can donate/send a message as to how the NIL should be run at ND, probably more productive than posting on this board.

https://www.fundfoundation.org/

Holycrossover3 said:

That comparison is, well, something alright.

I’m not sure political reasons are the only reason here. I think paying high school kids millions of dollars is a great risk. Go through the rivals top 10 QBs over the last 10 years and tell me how many you believe were worth “Top 10 Money.” I bet it will be lower than you think.

Is Underwood worth $12M? Time will tell. The only thing I know is Michigan fans could care less if he is because a billionaire wrote the check, they’re just happy he’s on their team.

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As for whether or not Bryce Underwood is worth it I think any business investment comes with a certain degree of risk. So Even though Underwood may not specifically return 10 million it might still be a really good business practice to risk 10 million at the chance that a prospect of his caliber fully reaches his potential and the organization strikes gold

That comparison is, well, something alright.

I’m not sure political reasons are the only reason here. I think paying high school kids millions of dollars is a great risk. Go through the rivals top 10 QBs over the last 10 years and tell me how many you believe were worth “Top 10 Money.” I bet it will be lower than you think.

Is Underwood worth $12M? Time will tell. The only thing I know is Michigan fans could care less if he is because a billionaire wrote the check, they’re just happy he’s on their team.

By the way I'm mobile right now using voice transcription so I apologize for the rougher than usual grammar

Colleges aren't refusing to pony up because they can't afford to -- or because it's not worth it -- they are refusing to pony up for political & economical power reasons

chaseball said:

Notre Dame has one of the highest endowment in all of college football. Notre Dame football is a billion dollar enterprise making hundreds of millions of dollars in sales per year in and of itself

10 million for the number one consensus prospect in college football in this industry and for the opportunity to find your star QB for the next 3 to 4 years is chump change

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Then why aren’t football programs and Universities funding their own NIL collectives if it’s so easy?

Why is Oregon funded by billionaire Knight? Why was Underwood funded outside of the University of Michigan as well? Hell, why didn’t LSU match the offer from their program? I don’t see Georgia offering $10M to high school players, or Alabama?

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The reason why colleges aren't spending $10 million dollars on prospects in college football is not because they can't afford it or that it's not worth it it's because they are fighting the war that is the current economic power struggle going on in college football between labor and oligarchy not un like any other war between these two parties since the beginning of civilization

Holycrossover3 said:

Sounds like a salary cap should be coming for NIL then, unless this is Major League Baseball.

By the way, do you know who Larry Ellison is? He’s the 2nd richest person on earth, worth $231 Billion, he lead the charge for Underwood. $10M to him is like, idk maybe $3 to us? Probably less. If someone like him gets behind a program and continues to lead NIL funding, it’s over. Just overpay well over market value. How could anyone compete?

But maybe you can email Elon Musk and see if he wants to join us. Anyone know if he’s Catholic?

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Notre Dame has one of the highest endowment in all of college football. Notre Dame football is a billion dollar enterprise making hundreds of millions of dollars in sales per year in and of itself

10 million for the number one consensus prospect in college football in this multi-billion dollar industry that is college football is relative chump change

chaseball said:

What do you think happens when one player signs a major NIL deal? He sets the market for the next number one consensus prospect comes along. Conversations will start at 10 million going forward.

I don't think people realize just how much money is involved in college football 10 million is relative chump change

That's why I made the point that Notre Dame should be out in the forefront right now dumping tons of money on all the best prospects in the country because prospects are at their cheapest point as I'm typing this then they will probably ever be. And by the time Notre Dame adjusts to the new market there won't be any competitive advantage to be had anymore and they'll be needing to spend this kind of money just to stay relevant instead of getting ahead

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Sounds like a salary cap should be coming for NIL then, unless this is Major League Baseball.

By the way, do you know who Larry Ellison is? He’s the 2nd richest person on earth, worth $231 Billion, he lead the charge for Underwood. $10M to him is like, idk maybe $3 to us? Probably less. If someone like him gets behind a program and continues to lead NIL funding, it’s over. Just overpay well over market value. How could anyone compete?

But maybe you can email Elon Musk and see if he wants to join us. Anyone know if he’s Catholic?

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Holycrossover3 said:

On3 reported this evening that Bryce’s offer was $1.5M from LSU (are they not a big program?) It’s being reported Michigan offered $10.5-$12M. Pretty substantial gap.

I know of very few athletes being offered this amount of cash out of high school, but apparently everyone but ND is doing it…

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What do you think happens when one player signs a major NIL deal? He sets the market for the next number one consensus prospect that comes along. Conversations will start at 10 million going forward.

I don't think people realize just how much money is involved in college football these days

$10 million is relative chump change

That's why I made the point that Notre Dame should be out in the forefront right now dumping tons of money on all the best prospects in the country because prospects are at their cheapest point as I'm typing this then they will probably ever be. And by the time Notre Dame adjusts to the new market there won't be any competitive advantage to be had anymore and they'll be needing to spend this kind of money just to maintain their current standing instead of seizing this opportunity to get ahead

The leadership at Notre Dame as it relates to the football program is completely ineffectual. It's why they can't win football games at the highest level anymore.

chaseball said:

It's not just Michigan it's pretty much every modern power and historic power in the sport serious about competing for national titles

they are spending upwards of 25 to 30 plus million a year in NIL on their roster but Notre Dame fans think they are going to win a national title by spending a few million on ACC 4th year seniors, bringing back their own fourth and fifth years, and signing three and four star prospects 😂

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On3 reported this evening that Bryce’s offer was $1.5M from LSU (are they not a big program?) It’s being reported Michigan offered $10.5-$12M. Pretty substantial gap.

I know of very few athletes being offered this amount of cash out of high school, but apparently everyone but ND is doing it…

IrishMike409 said:

Do you think we have a chance to win it this year? Final 4? Playoff win? What are your expectations for the rest of this season?

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I think the best indicator of where a team stands in the hierarchy of college football is the F+ rankings. F+ sees Notre Dame as a back end top 10 team and considerably far away from the top five or so teams in the country which isn't too far away from how F+ has viewed Notre Dame going back to the inception of the F+ system.

What has Notre Dame won over the last 15 years being a back-end top 10 to top 15 team? They usually do well versus their ACC & G5 opponents and then get gobsmacked against anybody at the high end of college football (to the teams that are securing the type of prospects that Underwood represents)

Somehow I'm the only one able to make this connection in the entirety of the Notre Dame fan base

With that being said how do you think I think Notre Dame will do in the playoffs in terms of their upside/chances of winning national title?

chaseball said:

It's not just Michigan it's pretty much every modern power and historic power in the sport serious about competing for national titles

they are spending upwards of 25 to 30 plus million a year in NIL on their roster but Notre Dame fans think they are going to win a national title by spending a few million on ACC 4th year seniors and three and four star prospects lol

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Do you think we have a chance to win it this year? Final 4? Playoff win? What are your expectations for the rest of this season?

futuredomer said:

I wouldn't play for him if he was coaching at the only school still playing CFB!

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I get it.

I'm asking if you actually know him? It seems like you do, or at least have a connection to him.

Again- real question.

Holycrossover3 said:

This isn’t Barstool money. Michigan released a statement and the first names that were mentioned were Larry Ellison & his wife. Billionaire money is a different level. Michigan appears to be competing with the likes of Oregon on NIL spend.

https://www.championscircleuofm.com/thosewhostayhome

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It's not just Michigan it's pretty much every modern power and historic power in the sport serious about competing for national titles

they are spending upwards of 25 to 30 plus million a year in NIL on their roster but Notre Dame fans think they are going to win a national title by spending a few million on ACC 4th year seniors, bringing back their own fourth and fifth years, and signing three and four star prospects 😂

savvyandsassier said:

Of all the places for him to end up. Michigan is the worst passing team in the P4. Dead last. So bad that you could say it cost them their season. And instead of becoming the next Jayden Daniels, which was definitely the plan for him, why he picked LSU, he can be the next JJ McCarthy, with no Harbaugh. I guess he's a guaranteed true frosh starter, by default. And I could easily imagine that scumbag from Barstool sports tying to hold out on him and screw him on the deal.

Anyway, F BK, right?

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This isn’t Barstool money. Michigan released a statement and the first names that were mentioned were Larry Ellison & his wife. Billionaire money is a different level. Michigan appears to be competing with the likes of Oregon on NIL spend.

https://www.championscircleuofm.com/thosewhostayhome

chaseball said:

Notre Dame and the other blue bloods like them are doing about 100 to 200 million per season in sales and a business with the margins like those in college football are worth billions of dollars (10x annual revenue).

A lot of these blue bloods will take the money from football and reinvest it back into football to grow the product or they'll take the money from football and they'll distribute it to the other sports in their athletic department to be competitive in those other sports even if those other sports aren't making money and then they'll claim that the athletic department isnt profitable despite the football program being extremely profitable in and of itself (this is the oldest PR trick in the book) but I digress

Football careers are extremely short you risk permanent damage to your brain and you risk the kind of injury that could end your career at any moment. These star players producing big numbers for their colleges should be making millions of dollars during their prime earning years which is as early as freshmans in college. There is little chance to make it to the NFL and when you get there your window for earning is about 3 years on average

Notre Dame talks about taking care of these recruits when they walk into the recruits house and talk to their parents

But how are you looking after these kids who have one opportunity to cash in on their extremely marketable and valuable skills when you are actively trying to regress the economic power that these recruits have in college football by trying to suppress their ability to earn fair market value for the labor they produce?

I don't understand how Notre Dame doesn't see the hypocrisy

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There are expenses as well. Plus they are supporting the other non-revenue sports. You're a moron. Go to school and take a couple of business and finance classes. I've included a recent report below. from the chart in the article you take the revenue and SUBTRACT the expenses to get the NET revenue, which may not even be the profit, but let's say it is, Ohio State most revenue, but just under $25 million after expenses. math is your friend, I suggest you brush up.

Add in the fact that you have no clue what or how Notre Dame is spending their revenue, you're simply assuming. You have a very unhealthy relationship with college football in general, and I highly suggest you seek professional help, because you appear to be psychotic.