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savvyandsassier
burmafrd1943 said:
and the defender of money money no matter who you stab in the back strikes again
I would have been shocked if you had posted anything else
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You don't give a shit about the G5. You mock them with contempt when it suits you. But you got that 'master morality' in you. And whatever you think, whatever you want, that's what's good. Your will be done....
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If no one cares....

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christophero said:
I've never seen a board go after each other like this one. I mean after blowout victories people are arguing at midnight about what color the turf was.
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I've been saying this for several months now.

There are 5 or 6 great posters.

There are 6-8 good posters.

Then a group here to insult and talk shit. It's ridiculous.
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savvyandsassier
deadirishpoet said:
"only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told."

That's how it works. The coaches are in charge.
That is the order of things, and those in charge tell you what to "effin" do.
Would you rather it be the reverse?
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Good, now we're finally getting to some honest talk here. Well, you better have a chat with Mario Cristobal then. He's the coach, he okay'd this. You think it was against his will? You think he needs some help from fans like you to reassert his total dominant authority? He never would have stood for this, but the circumstances were just too much for him but his heart's in the right place. So maybe if a horde of supporters like you guys threw your collective weight in support of sad sack coaches like him, it could turn the tide. Maybe. At least we know what it's really all about for you guys.

And it's such a shame, because it still seemed like a good football game to me, couldn't tell where the problem was. But that's not enough for you.
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A good Read On College Football and money, NIL and the Portal

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savvyandsassier said:
I'm going to read the whole article. I'm several paragraphs in and it's a fear mongering sensationalist hit piece, from a hack writer. The highlight so far being that among the many existential threats to the continued well being of the precious and beloved 'G5' informal bunch of D-1A CFB conferences, is the possible looming loss of the chance at getting a first round bye, without which - gasp! - Boise St. might have had to play on the road in the 1st round!

The G5's enemies are all around them, lurking, skulking, circling.....
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and the defender of money money no matter who you stab in the back strikes again
I would have been shocked if you had posted anything else
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Freshman All-Americans

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ESPN posted its list and ND was the only team with three (Clemson, Oklahoma and S Carolina had 2:

Anthonie Knapp 3* NR
Kyngstonn Viliamup Asa 5* 19
Leonard Moore 4* 228

They also included red-shirt Freshman and we had a first teamer and second teamer:

Adon Shuler 3* NR (first team)
Jaiden Ausberry 4* 206 (2nd Team)

(I can't believe Bowen didn't make it - as good as Kynsgston and Jaiden have been, I believe Bowen has been the best behind Jack!)

Three observations:
1. Mickens can sure find diamonds in the rough
2. Marcus is building something special at Notre Dame
3. The future looks bright for this program

Chase, do you think RIvals needs to reappraise its team rankings? Only one top 100 of the five!
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

deadirishpoet
savvyandsassier said:
You're getting way, way off the rails here, is this for real? It's not a big deal at all, and you are blowing this up into something it isn't. You're making him feel bad, or you're trying to. You're guilt-tripping him. And a player might feel bad because you made him feel bad, by imposing your morals on him. That's how that works. And you're not holding society together by so doing that, you're just getting yourself off.

Everything's fine. The only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told. That's what your morality is really about. Obedience and deference to authority. And nobody's even really flouting it. He just sat out the 2nd half, and let Emory Williams finish it off. Which is great, I'm sure he appreciated the opportunity. One thing's for sure, if someone like Cam Ward ever feels bad about his life, about something like this, it's going to be because people like you wanted him to feel bad, and it finally got to him. Otherwise he has a clean conscience.
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"only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told."

That's how it works. The coaches are in charge.
That is the order of things, and those in charge tell you what to "effin" do.
Would you rather it be the reverse?
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savvyandsassier said:
You're getting way, way off the rails here, is this for real? It's not a big deal at all, and you are blowing this up into something it isn't. You're making him feel bad, or you're trying to. You're guilt-tripping him. And a player might feel bad because you made him feel bad, by imposing your morals on him. That's how that works. And you're not holding society together by so doing that, you're just getting yourself off.

Everything's fine. The only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told. That's what your morality is really about. Obedience and deference to authority. And nobody's even really flouting it. He just sat out the 2nd half, and let Emory Williams finish it off. Which is great, I'm sure he appreciated the opportunity. One thing's for sure, if someone like Cam Ward ever feels bad about his life, about something like this, it's going to be because people like you wanted him to feel bad, and it finally got to him. Otherwise he has a clean conscience.
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You didn't read my post. I'm asking questions about how he feels about himself.
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nd4life211 said:
It’s too bad there are a few people on this board who ruin it for the majority. Name calling, assumptions, baseless comments that bring zero value to the “football conversation”. I’ve never seen such childish behavior on a football message board.

I agree with one poster about Georgia having significantly more talent than ND (which news flash, they do) and suddenly I am accused of having another account.

I’ve challenged these posters to check my post history, but they never seem to want to. I’ve never had anyone complain about my posting other than this group of posters, who seem to be more obsessed with some poster than discussing ND football.

At the end of the day, this is a football message board, to discuss football topics. I’ve always had honest football discussions here, about what ND does well and what ND needs to improve upon. You assuming I am someone else because I don’t agree with you and then stating so on every one of my posts is extremely childish and brings zero value to this board.

If you need to make judgments and attack people, maybe get into stand up comedy? I’m not sure what the purpose of this thread was, other than to get a rise out of people which you seem to be focused on. I’m just here to discuss ND football.
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I'd recommend to follow your own advice, without the charade.
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deadirishpoet said:
Colorado secured what it said was record insurance coverage for quarterback Shedeur Sanders and Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter as the star duo opted to complete their college careers in the Alamo Bowl rather than sit out and prepare for the NFL draft.
Why wouldn't this be standard?
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Legally, there has to be an insurable interest

So was the University of Colorado the owner beneficiary

Or the two players

It would be interesting to know the details
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

savvyandsassier
francade said:
You said “clear conscience”, savvy. I assumed you meant that they’re not gonna have regrets about leaving their teammates in the lurch. I disagree. Who would have a clear conscience about that?
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I'm not arguing about this. You're putting emotions and thoughts into the hearts and minds of CFB players to further your own personal agenda, and standing firm by it, and bickering over semantics. You'll get no validation from me.
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“I disagree its smart. you are now tainted; what team mate in the future is going to believe in you when the going gets tough?”

I get your point, burmafrd, but in terms of the risk, it would be considered a smart, if not, shrewd move. W/ that said, I still don’t agree w/ the idea that the risk is completely detrimental. Certain posters continue to cite Jaylon smith as an example. That’s ridiculous, imo. He had a severe injury & he’s made 33 million dollars as a pro. I’m sure that he lost millions, but had he got hurt in his first few years, he loses millions too. What’s the difference?
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A good Read On College Football and money, NIL and the Portal

savvyandsassier
I'm going to read the whole article. I'm several paragraphs in and it's a fear mongering sensationalist hit piece, from a hack writer. The highlight so far being that among the many existential threats to the continued well being of the precious and beloved 'G5' informal bunch of D-1A CFB conferences, is the possible looming loss of the chance at getting a first round bye, without which - gasp! - Boise St. might have had to play on the road in the 1st round!

The G5's enemies are all around them, lurking, skulking, circling.....
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

savvyandsassier
francade said:
Disagree, savvy. I doubt these guys “feel good” or have a clear conscience about opting out. It’s a decision they’ve made for themselves. Can’t it be somewhat smart and somewhat selfish at the same time?
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When did I say they 'feel good' about it? I said they don't feel bad, and presumably they're okay with it, that is not the same thing. You're not being honest, because you want to get your way. And you continue to guilt-trip them vicariously, that's like all you got left. A coach is in charge, he can set any policy he wants. He can sit the player from the beginning, but he let Cam Ward play and get the record. So what's the problem, other than you didn't get what you want?

Because that's what this comes down to. This ain't your concern. The fact that you as a fan would be so presumptuous as to think your opinion or your preference matters at all, other than voting with your feet if that you're bothered by it, is offensive. The players play hard, they practice hard, and they more than live up to their end of the bargain as participants in gladiatorial combat for the masses. You don't tell them what their emotions should be.
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