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The 2012 BSCG, the 2018 CFP Semi Final, and the 2020 CFP Semi Final were not competitive games. Although I will say that each game was more competive than the last game. 2012 the game was over at the half and was a disaster from the kickoff. 2018 ND was hanging around at 9-3, then Julian Love went out and 2 TD's in the last 2 minutes of the half made it 23-3. Then in 2020, it was 21-7, and ND was outclassed, but not embarrassed like 2012. And the 2020 Alabama team was a juggernaut.

The next step is to get in this post season and not get embarrassed or outclassed. Put yourself in a position to win these games and execute down the stretch.

ND has a great defense, but they brought really good defenses into the College post season in 2012, 2018 and 2020. They were not able to score points in any of those games. Fell behind and just floundered around.

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raycyrx said:

Can't win a championship without getting into the playoffs. Might as well set sights high and shoot for a home game to start the playoffs. Why is that a bad goal?

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It's not, of course. The idea, the running theme, is that ND and its fans have low expectations. And we're content with simply hosting a home game, and that it's some big thrill for us, and more than enough. I suppose, instead of wanting to win the whole thing, and very loudly clamoring that we want nothing less. And it's not even a goal, other than just getting into the playoff I would assume. Obviously we have no control where we're seeded at all. In fact no one has any idea how that's even going to play out and the final seedings are inevitably going to be controversial. So you wouldn't set that specifically as a goal I wouldn't think.

It's just bullshit.

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Golson5 said:

Draft kings has it at 6.5

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FanDuel 5.5.

Can't win a championship without getting into the playoffs. Might as well set sights high and shoot for a home game to start the playoffs. Why is that a bad goal?

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tbonesays said:

Some models are biased early on because there is not enough data but drop it once the web of team games connects everybody.

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That is a great and fair optimization...and I hope these models are the primary ones evaluated.

Otherwise there is distortion regarding early rankings based on guesswork.

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echowaker said:

Army has scored 20 and 14 points respectively in their last 2 games against really bad teams. How much can they expect to score against arguably the best defense in the country ?

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If ND is locked in assignment wise, not much. But we were not locked in vs Navy with our assignments. They had a number of big explosives. The unforced turnovers are what made that game a blow out.

raulduke_007 said:

@stu4don so why would I reply to your post & sjb75 answer for you? Your math aint mathin sport.

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That’s just sjb75 expressing his opinion that irrespective of the OP thought process, that HE (sjb75) didn’t forget these two. This is NOT sjb75 using Stu4don as another handle, but I can see where you might think this.

echowaker said:

Army has not played anyone yet who comes remotely close to the talent, speed, athleticism and physicality of ND. Their schedule is mostly the bottom feeders of college football. Barring a rash of turnovers by the offense I believe ND wins quite decisively.

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Army is ranked and tulane is ranked
So if they were to beat us and Tulane then what are you going to say?
History is replete with examples of the contrast between talent and a team.

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echowaker said:

Army has scored 20 and 14 points respectively in their last 2 games against really bad teams. How much can they expect to score against arguably the best defense in the country ?

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This is true. Although the QB didn't play 2 games ago and was injured still last week I believe.

They just had a bye before us so I expect him to be healthy