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Yes, everything starts with coaching, however

Mayer you're the bottle cap. Tobias you're the stick and Tyree you're this piece of paper!
 
I agree but Stanford believes the same thing. They know the TE is option 1. Once they took that away who or what was option 2???
There hasn't been an OPTION TWO all season.
 
There hasn't been an OPTION TWO all season.
There are enough pieces on the offense to easily beat Stanford and Marshall. Literally not using Tobias more than a play or two all season and throwing at Mayer every play, even when double teamed, running Tyree up the middle as a power back, and not putting Styles in the slot where he belongs are just a few things the media has been criticizing Rees for all season long. It seems fairly obvious I guess to the people that understand football, but not to the OC getting paid to F it up and coach talented players into one of the worst offenses in all of college football week after week.
 
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There are enough pieces on the offense to easily beat Stanford and Marshall. Literally not using Tobias more than a play or two all season and throwing at Mayer every play, even when double teamed, running Tyree up the middle as a power back, and not putting Styles in the slot where he belongs are just a few things the media has been criticizing Rees for all season long. It seems fairly obvious I guess to the people that understand football, but not to the OC getting paid to F it up and coach talented players into one of the worst offenses in all of college football week after week.
Sure.

To me, it looks like OUTRIGHT INCOMPETENCE. I also don't sense any REAL LEADERSHIP. My sense is that Rees is average at best -- and it's much clearer now with Kelly gone -- and that as a head coach, Freeman, SO FAR, is BELOW AVERAGE.

I know he looks GREAT standing there on the sideline, but I have zero confidence that he KNOWS ENOUGH of what's going on to WIN CONSISTENTLY.
 
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Sure.

To me, it looks like OUTRIGHT INCOMPETENCE. I also don't sense any REAL LEADERSHIP. My sense is that Rees is average at best -- and it's much clearer now with Kelly gone -- and that as a head coach, Freeman, SO FAR, is BELOW AVERAGE.

I know he looks GREAT standing there on the sideline, but I have zero confidence that he KNOWS ENOUGH of what's going on to WIN CONSISTENTLY.
He dresses well. He looks scared as hell. Body language is a powerful thing.
 
Sure.

To me, it looks like OUTRIGHT INCOMPETENCE. I also don't sense any REAL LEADERSHIP. My sense is that Rees is average at best -- and it's much clearer now with Kelly gone -- and that as a head coach, Freeman, SO FAR, is BELOW AVERAGE.

I know he looks GREAT standing there on the sideline, but I have zero confidence that he KNOWS ENOUGH of what's going on to WIN CONSISTENTLY.
I'm a firm believer that assistants make a HC. We keep going over this topic continually but it is simple. The HC needs to have his best assistant be the coordinator on the side of the ball that is not his area of expertise. Dabo had Venables, Saban had numerous guys. Riley had Grinch and Stoops. Kirby had a very poor offfense until Monken. Whether it was Jack or Freeman or both, ND created this mess by not filling the OC position with a guy who could basically be left alone. As a High School HC I always made sure my coordinators were happy and retained them for years because I had two very good ones. It allowed me to be able to deal with everything else and not be concerned with standing over someone's shoulder to make sure the game-plans and development were being done correctly. This is especially true with a newbie like Freeman who has such a large learning curve.
 
Speaking of Monken. He was a GA at ND. Now I know he's at UGA. But would luring that guy even be possible?
 
Its hard to explain away or accept home losses to two teams you should easily dominate. Both games are probably a play away from saying "Oh man, we got lucky" like we did last year at FSU, Toledo and Va Tech. All equally bad teams to lose to. Stanford, Pyne or Estime dont fumble, we keep the fumble we earned. Marshall, JT actually goes for the ball instead of letting it be a pic 6 or maybe the bomb to Lenzy.

This team in reality has not been very good since 2020. BK just had an option that MF does not, an experienced QB that could throw deep. MF is no BK, no doubt. He needs years of seasoning and experience to be here. We all knew this was a bad idea coming. MF might be the next Saban in 10 years, he is not now.

The dude can recruit, which can hide some but not all flaws. The dude made a huge mistake not nabbing a portal QB in his last year with experience. He made a mistake not kicking the FG against Stanford. He made a mistake going for 2 in the first quarter against BYU. He is learning, he is going to make mistakes.

Who knows if he can get enough firepower to overcome his learning on the job. We know BK did not and was NEVER going to bring a Natty here. I dont think Fickell is the answer, ND bumbled and fumbled that game away last year or no one is talking about that dude.

Your ND. You go sign a 100M man. You sign Saban, you sign Meyer, you sign Dabo, you sign Chip K, you sign Riley. But, we did it, again. Like Jerry, Tyrone and Davie.

I posted on another thread, maybe it is Rees but DP missed so many wide-open people with Stanford. He was under 50%. You cant win against 8 men in the box completing 48%. The number one thing to fix right now is the QB. Against Marshall, it was the line. Thats fixed. Go fix DP or try Angelli. Go get a unreal portal QB in 23. Land this 23 class and go kick some butt.
 
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Sure.

To me, it looks like OUTRIGHT INCOMPETENCE. I also don't sense any REAL LEADERSHIP. My sense is that Rees is average at best -- and it's much clearer now with Kelly gone -- and that as a head coach, Freeman, SO FAR, is BELOW AVERAGE.

I know he looks GREAT standing there on the sideline, but I have zero confidence that he KNOWS ENOUGH of what's going on to WIN CONSISTENTLY.
You also have to wonder about the structure and viability of the game plan and the process of altering it as the game progresses
 
There is a thing called player accountability.

For me, it starts at the QB spot. ND is lacking D1 QB talent since TB went out. Stanford showed all you have to do is load the box, play man outside, double the TE and the QB beat you.

You guys that wanna blame the coaches, what would you have done differently in this game?

Where I blame the coaches is recruiting. How in the world do you end up with a guy like Pyne? There is no way a guy like that should be your starter. He would not start on any team ND played this season.
Sorry, Buchner is not high D1 talent. He might be good at a MAC school.
 
I'm a firm believer that assistants make a HC. We keep going over this topic continually but it is simple. The HC needs to have his best assistant be the coordinator on the side of the ball that is not his area of expertise. Dabo had Venables, Saban had numerous guys. Riley had Grinch and Stoops. Kirby had a very poor offfense until Monken. Whether it was Jack or Freeman or both, ND created this mess by not filling the OC position with a guy who could basically be left alone. As a High School HC I always made sure my coordinators were happy and retained them for years because I had two very good ones. It allowed me to be able to deal with everything else and not be concerned with standing over someone's shoulder to make sure the game-plans and development were being done correctly. This is especially true with a newbie like Freeman who has such a large learning curve.
Who was the smartest guy in the room?

You?

Or one or more of your assistants?

See, I take the opposite approach. Smartest guy in the room should be in charge. All the "other stuff" -- ADMIN AND THE LIKE -- can be SUBBED OUT.

I'm always leery if the TOP GUY doesn't know BEST the BUSINESS OF THE BUSINESS.

It helps to fortify both LEADERSHIP and AUTHORITY.

Plus I'm not even sure Freeman knows enough at this stage to DETERMINE what makes a really good ASSISTANT. Some say he's gone largely with RECRUITERS.

Terrific, but then what exactly do you DO with those recruits?
 
You also have to wonder about the structure and viability of the game plan and the process of altering it as the game progresses
Yup.

It feels tentative and short of workable adjustments. And they stay too long with things. Part of this, I think, is due to ROSTER DEFICIENCIES.
 
Agree to disagree. This program as a whole is in shambles. Its insane to think it went south as quickly as it did since BK's departure. But in my opinion, this is on the coaches first and foremost and secondly on the administration. I want to like Freeman as a coach but his inexperience and lack of leadership is obvious. The "deer caught in headlights" look, game after game, is pretty obvious. Losing to a 1-4 Stanford team is unacceptable.

The one thing that Kelly brought to the table, in my mind, was managing the QB position. We have had some good QB's over the years, not all americans, but good QB's. Kelly was able to navigate games with these QB's and develop them into very solid starters. The one thing I recall from the Kelly era was that we never had to worry QB's making bonehead plays often. His coaching style made for very disciplined QB play.

I really hope Freeman figures it out and we see the program get back on the tracks, but honestly, I don't see it. He's simply not ready for this stage. But, this is not his fault. If we are all being totally honest, ND, in its current arrangement administratively, is setup to fail. This is precisely why no coach in the country wants to come to ND and take over. Its career suicide for most. Until the university decides they want to play within the same rules as the rest of the programs in the country and truly compete at that level, this is what we'll get. I foresee a coaching carousel in South Bend for a while, with one mediocre coach after another running right into the fire and ruining their careers.

Sorry, ND can't be taken seriously anymore, period. The name alone is not enough anymore. Kids don't care about history, academics, prestige, etc like they used to. They want playing time, they want to showcase their talents, get a decent education and hope they can make it to the NFL if they're in the elite. Its semi pro football now and ND is still playing by amatuer football rules.
You are sooo wrong. Notre dame is A brand that everybody loves. But I agree with the administrative shortfalls
 
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