Why play your star Jr's when you know they will sit out the final games?

[FightingIrish44]

YOU COULDN'T BE MORE ON POINT. GOOD CLEAR THINKING.

And I wish I'd read your post prior to writing my last three or so as I would have saved myself some ink. As it was, I touched on almost all of what you covered as well.

What I'm really starting to see in this ongoing exchange is how much this "little guy/underdog" theme is at the root of the posts coming the other way. The class warfare angle with the NCAA and the colleges as the bad guys and the players as POPULIST HEROES.

And yet, the LOOMING IRONY is BREATHTAKING as many of these players being viewed as standing up to BIG BAD MONEY AND POWER are themselves on the THRESHOLD of joining THAT CLASS.

This is why SECOND-ORDER PURSUITS, such as sports fandom should never be allowed to edge out what one does for and by ONESELF as a FIRST-PERSON ACTOR. As I see it, there's NO GLORY in someone else's GLORY. You're still whoever you are.

Plus, it almost never benefits you materially.

That’s interesting that you bring up the class warfare with the populist heroes. I can definitely see that as well as it being analogous to capitalistic systems. My understanding is the seed of destruction within capitalism is the proletariat always pushing for more, more, more until the system breaks. The schools are the bourgeoisie and the players are the proletariat in this analogy. The players/media “push” more and more like opt outs, no transfer penalties, NIL, paid money, then we’ll see start seeing guys opt out before the regular season has ended and the system completely breaks and is unrecognizable.

I bet more people would be against the opt outs if it were 2008 and just one player had the guts to do it. But Covid normalized it I think (not sure if there were many opt outs prior to last year) and now people just are used to it. And that’s how change happens — in increments.

 

[Patrirish]

I didn’t answer your question? I said it’s rare players actually get hurt in the bowl. However, J. Smith is one to many!

You failed to address my point. Why as a fan are you so upset by this? As I said before, we are nothing but fans and this is only a game. It’s not that serious. So what if the young man wants to skip a bowl game.

My question to you is, how does Williams electing to skip the bowl game effect your life? Other than you simply being a fan.

I don’t want to speak for anyone else, but why are you confining the pool of opt outs to just those waiting to be HiGH draft choices by the NFL.

What if it becomes widespread where a dozen or more players opt out ?

 

[Granite45]

I don’t want to speak for anyone else, but why are you confining the pool of opt outs to just those waiting to be HOGH draft choices by the NFL.

What if it becomes widespread where a dozen or more players opt out ?

Seems to me, more players are opting out to enter transfer portal than for any other reason. Some have already annouced their chosen transfer site; are they expected to play in a bowl for a team with no more affiliation?

What of the players have gone through December graduation? Are they expected to be forced to keep playing or their degree with taken back?

 

[4-4-3]

That’s interesting that you bring up the class warfare with the populist heroes. I can definitely see that as well as it being analogous to capitalistic systems. My understanding is the seed of destruction within capitalism is the proletariat always pushing for more, more, more until the system breaks. The schools are the bourgeoisie and the players are the proletariat in this analogy. The players/media “push” more and more like opt outs, no transfer penalties, NIL, paid money, then we’ll see start seeing guys opt out before the regular season has ended and the system completely breaks and is unrecognizable.

I bet more people would be against the opt outs if it were 2008 and just one player had the guts to do it. But Covid normalized it I think (not sure if there were many opt outs prior to last year) and now people just are used to it. And that’s how change happens — in increments.

READY FOR A DEEP DIVE?

First, it’s again good to see someone THINKING THIS THROUGH USING BOTH SIDES OF THE BRAIN.

Your capitalist analogy is – as I see it – ON THE MONEY. I’d add only one thing. The media and whatever social justice INFLUENCERS they BEND A KNEE TO are in this instance analogous to Lenin’s PARTY VANGUARD. They’re the SANITIZING INTELLECTUALS in the process who disguise the entire POWER PLAY NATURE of this phenomenon.

As for how this works out within a capitalist framework overall, let me first reiterate that I'M A CAPITALIST. But for only one reason. IT WORKS FOR A TIME, WHEREAS SOCIALISM CRUMBLES FROM THE OUTSET as it’s not based on PRAXIS but rather on IDEOLOGY. And all ideologies, which are merely a form of NARCISSIM, are OBSOLETE FROM INCEPTION.

What happens with capitalism – AND WHAT MUST HAPPEN – due to the finite nature of energy and other resources is that OVER TIME it must either DEVOUR ITSELF OR STARVE. Either the proletariat sucks the life out of it as per your example or the producer class extinguishes its own consumer base through GREED. Either way, GREED is the operative agent.

Since the players have heretofore been the odd ones out, their INCIPIENT GREED is at this stage still regarded as a FUNCTION OF POPULIST SOCIAL JUSTICE. But as soon as they hit the NFL BIG TIME or the college game evolves into its own NFL TABLE SETTER SWEEPSTAKES, they become THE VERY THING they appear to be fighting against BUT ACTUALLY WISH TO BECOME.

And that’s why it’s so ludicrous for fans, particularly on message boards, to exalt these players when they’re merely seeking to become recipients of a kind of wealth most guys who post on outlets like this WILL NEVER SEE. But as usual, a lot of people are going for the POPULIST SIZZE, ignoring the fact that there will be NO MONETARY STEAK for them in their own Christmas stockings.

Meanwhile, the integrity of the college game as we know it is at risk which in the end could ACTUALLY HURT fans, even as a handful of players get to laugh ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. How does that help the little guy who only wants to watch quality football? Honestly, fans ARE BEING PLAYED.

 

[4-4-3]

Have you ever read a scholarship contract? My son is on scholarship right now. Believe me, we read the contract.

No, I've never read one.

Enlighten me.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

They did fulfill their end. What are you talking about? No where in the contract does it say how many games they have to play. What are they going to do, take there credits earned back? No university will do that.

Instead of being upset about players skipping a game, the bigger issue is coaches jumping ship before the bowl is played. Coaches should not talk to any team until their season is completed.

The hero worship for head coaches is insane now. It will correct itself in time.
Football players make up the TEAM which should trump everything. Of course coaches are part of the team--but when was the last time you saw a coach make a 100 yd kickoff return or make a hard hitting tackle (besides Woody Hays) !
The players get paid GREATLY with free tuition and room and board and great medical and all that. And most importantly they get to improve their knowledge about things like science, math, history, cultures, anthropology, business, astrology, physics, animal husbandry, meteorology, sport science, philosophy, ecetera. And they learn about TEAM WORK on the football field and in the labs at school !
It is a HUGE disservice for the players to sit out games in college especially at schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, and Northwestern. They owe their fellow human beings on that team and their fellow students who sweat with them in the classroom and in the stands cheering them on !
By sitting games out they are being selfish and without consequences like having their scholarship pulled (if they are not injured-of course) or not being able to be on the sidelines during games ( it was alright with Kyle since he was injured at the time).
The college game has GREAT history and many players like Chris Zorich gave their all and did not sit out games to make the game GREAT !
College football is being ruined by the sitters and until that is corrected it will lose alot of its former luster.
Just my opinion !!!

 

[BodiTheGreat]

READY FOR A DEEP DIVE?

First, it’s again good to see someone THINKING THIS THROUGH USING BOTH SIDES OF THE BRAIN.

Your capitalist analogy is – as I see it – ON THE MONEY. I’d add only one thing. The media and whatever social justice INFLUENCERS they BEND A KNEE TO are in this instance analogous to Lenin’s PARTY VANGUARD. They’re the SANITIZING INTELLECTUALS in the process who disguise the entire POWER PLAY NATURE of this phenomenon.

As for how this works out within a capitalist framework overall, let me first reiterate that I'M A CAPITALIST. But for only one reason. IT WORKS FOR A TIME, WHEREAS SOCIALISM CRUMBLES FROM THE OUTSET as it’s not based on PRAXIS but rather on IDEOLOGY. And all ideologies, which are merely a form of NARCISSIM, are OBSOLETE FROM INCEPTION.

What happens with capitalism – AND WHAT MUST HAPPEN – due to the finite nature of energy and other resources is that OVER TIME it must either DEVOUR ITSELF OR STARVE. Either the proletariat sucks the life out of it as per your example or the producer class extinguishes its own consumer base through GREED. Either way, GREED is the operative agent.

Since the players have heretofore been the odd ones out, their INCIPIENT GREED is at this stage still regarded as a FUNCTION OF POPULIST SOCIAL JUSTICE. But as soon as they hit the NFL BIG TIME or the college game evolves into its own NFL TABLE SETTER SWEEPSTAKES, they become THE VERY THING they appear to be fighting against BUT ACTUALLY WISH TO BECOME.

And that’s why it’s so ludicrous for fans, particularly on message boards, to exalt these players when they’re merely seeking to become recipients of a kind of wealth most guys who post on outlets like this WILL NEVER SEE. But as usual, a lot of people are going for the POPULIST SIZZE, ignoring the fact that there will be NO MONETARY STEAK for them in their own Christmas stockings.

Meanwhile, the integrity of the college game as we know it is at risk which in the end could ACTUALLY HURT fans, even as a handful of players get to laugh ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. How does that help the little guy who only wants to watch quality football? Honestly, fans ARE BEING PLAYED.

I do enjoy reading your posts. You make alot of sense.

 

[Zorich 88]

These young men can do what they want. It’s unrealistic to think teams will have a mass exodus of players prior to a bowl game.

You wanna know how to stop this from happening? Make the playoffs! Not one player from a playoff team has ever opted out.

 

[Zorich 88]

No, I've never read one.

Enlighten me.

What part? The part that states of you leave early or opt out of a bowl game your earned credits will be taken from you?

That does not exist.

 

[Zorich 88]

The hero worship for head coaches is insane now. It will correct itself in time.
Football players make up the TEAM which should trump everything. Of course coaches are part of the team--but when was the last time you saw a coach make a 100 yd kickoff return or make a hard hitting tackle (besides Woody Hays) !
The players get paid GREATLY with free tuition and room and board and great medical and all that. And most importantly they get to improve their knowledge about things like science, math, history, cultures, anthropology, business, astrology, physics, animal husbandry, meteorology, sport science, philosophy, ecetera. And they learn about TEAM WORK on the football field and in the labs at school !
It is a HUGE disservice for the players to sit out games in college especially at schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, and Northwestern. They owe their fellow human beings on that team and their fellow students who sweat with them in the classroom and in the stands cheering them on !
By sitting games out they are being selfish and without consequences like having their scholarship pulled (if they are not injured-of course) or not being able to be on the sidelines during games ( it was alright with Kyle since he was injured at the time).
The college game has GREAT history and many players like Chris Zorich gave their all and did not sit out games to make the game GREAT !
College football is being ruined by the sitters and until that is corrected it will lose alot of its former luster.
Just my opinion !!!

I respectfully disagree.

 

[notredamerises23]

It is a HUGE disservice for the players to sit out games in college especially at schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, and Northwestern. They owe their fellow human beings on that team and their fellow students who sweat with them in the classroom and in the stands cheering them on !
By sitting games out they are being selfish and without consequences like having their scholarship pulled (if they are not injured-of course) or not being able to be on the sidelines during games ( it was alright with Kyle since he was injured at the time).

I highly doubt students at ND feel that Kyle owes them a game. As an alum, I don’t think Kyle owes me anything. If anything, Kyle going on to become an All-Pro some day will represent us in the best way.

People like you who‘ve never attended ND, and really have nothing to do with ND (correct me if I’m wrong) are the ones being selfish thinking Kyle owes anyone another game.

 

[88ND]

He's barely hanging on because he lost athleticism. Very sad. He could have been an all timer

He's never been close to the same

He's not the freak he was...
That said he is NOT a middle/inside backer. He absolutely positively plays that position poorly and

Easy for you to say who has zero vested in what happens to him. Zero. Of course he benefits from teammates, but you can say that about anyone. He‘s a few months away from becoming a millionaire and creating generational wealth. Why would he risk that for a game that has basically zero consequence?

As an alum, I have zero problem with what Kyle is doing and what Mayer might do next year. Zero. i highly, highly doubt any of his teammates do, either. Most of the people on this board aren’t alma and have never even sat in ND Stadium, have notn8ng to do with the university and are casting judgment on what 21 year olds do who have an opportunity in front of them that less than .0000001% of humanity will ever have.

No teammate will say anything publicly but I guarantee you a good amount would be wishing he was going to battle with them against the Cowboys.

You have no idea who I am, what I've done and where.
That said I mentioned nothing about foregoing a senior year to jump to the pro's.
While not ideal that is definitely far better than skipping out on a bowl game. What did you call it? A zero consequence game? How do you quantify that? It's a big consequence game to a bunch of players and coaches I can tell you that. Decent focus is on these games because they're supposed to be good matchups. His presence could certainly help a fellow defensive player have a big game...no? Perhaps even a player who might be on a free agent invite to NFL camp radar to drafted in a lower round? Last I checked this is a TEAM game.
He made the commitment to play this season so fulfill the damn commitment.
I've no vested intetest in his decision other than the ramifications to the collective players(team) ...the teammates that he started a journey with in 2021. Finish the year out!

What's next? Skipping on mediocre matchups in the regular season? If you're going down this zero consequence road then I can point to several matchups that are sure fire wins playing mostly second string players. Do we sit out those?
What if we have a bad start to next year sittinh at 1-3. We may finish 9-3 but won't ever make a playoff with 3 losses. The rest of those games are essentially zero consequence games, right? What's the goal at that point? Win to get a music city invite?
Hell might as well have all the potential draftees just sit out the remaing 8 games plus a bowl because they all are technically zero consequence if we start the year
1-3.

You either commit to playing a season or not in this team game.

 

[88ND]

To add...this isn't about ND.
Any player on any college team.

The school/team helps the draft stock. If it didn't you'd have a bunch of high schoolers sitting out until they hit a point in time to be drafted.

Why don't they do that? There is no rule in place they must attend a school to be drafted in the NFL.
Three years removed from high school is the only rule.

They could train with somebody wanting to take their pro money to train them for three years then enter the draft.

Players don't do this because it kills their draft stock and or chances altogether.

You need the school/team. You need the teammates. Finish out the damn year you committed to playing.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

I highly doubt students at ND feel that Kyle owes them a game. As an alum, I don’t think Kyle owes me anything. If anything, Kyle going on to become an All-Pro some day will represent us in the best way.

People like you who‘ve never attended ND, and really have nothing to do with ND (correct me if I’m wrong) are the ones being selfish thinking Kyle owes anyone another game.

I wasnt picking on Kyle--he may still be injured. I talking about all college football players who are sitting out games nowadays which is hurting the game. Be honest---would you rather watch college football with many of its best players sitting out games? If they are sitting out games because they are going to make a ton of money--then how would it hurt them if we pull their scholarships?
The university pays these student athletes plenty with free tuition and all the other benefits like medical. They also have the new NIL to make money.
I love college football and these sitout players owe all the nonsitters such as Ronnie Lott and Joe Montana respect and play the damn games !
The rules right now are you have to in college football for three years b4 you can go pro. And you can make alot of money and have alot of fun with your teammates. You should forfeit your scholarship if you don't play in my view. Steps need to be taken to save the game we fans love. If not the college game will lose alot of its appeal and will lose many fans and that will hurt the NIL money that the players deserve.
I would personally support paying the college players outside NIL to keep them satisfied to save the game if that is what needs to be done.

 

[88ND]

I wasnt picking on Kyle--he may still be injured. I talking about all college football players who are sitting out games nowadays which is hurting the game. Be honest---would you rather watch college football with many of its best players sitting out games? If they are sitting out games because they are going to make a ton of money--then how would it hurt them if we pull their scholarships?
The university pays these student athletes plenty with free tuition and all the other benefits like medical. They also have the new NIL to make money.
I love college football and these sitout players owe all the nonsitters such as Ronnie Lott and Joe Montana respect and play the damn games !
The rules right now are you have to in college football for three years b4 you can go pro. And you can make alot of money and have alot of fun with your teammates. You should forfeit your scholarship if you don't play in my view. Steps need to be taken to save the game we fans love. If not the college game will lose alot of its appeal and will lose many fans and that will hurt the NIL money that the players deserve.
I would personally support paying the college players outside NIL to keep them satisfied to save the game if that is what needs to be done.

The only one with the real power to curtail things is the NFL.
They can make a rule...pick one...and it would change how things are being handled.
A little creativity on their part would reel this sitting out shit right back in. They do have an interest in this because it's what feeds their league. If the college game deteriorates (we're miles from that but there will be a time) it ultimately hurts the shield.

 

[4-4-3]

What part? The part that states of you leave early or opt out of a bowl game your earned credits will be taken from you?

That does not exist.

What are the salient points in the document regarding what's required in return for the scholarship? What is it that's INCUMBENT on the player? Is there language that addresses this issue at all or is the document wholly silent on players PLAYING AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION? For all any outsider knows, it could b a POORLY DRAFTED AGREEMENT that never contemplated what's happening now. But, again, I DON'T KNOW. So, help me out here. Assuming you're interested.

 

[tbonesays]

They did fulfill their end. What are you talking about? No where in the contract does it say how many games they have to play.

this means a player can quit in the first quarter of the first game and keep his athletic scholarship.

 

[4-4-3]

I do enjoy reading your posts. You make alot of sense.

Thank you, Bodi, I like reading yours as well as you ALSO make sense. As for your predictions, I'm not weighing in on any of that anymore. You're that kind of fan, and I'm not. But I do apologize for my past sarcasm and cheap-shot criticisms.

 

[4-4-3]

this means a player can quit in the first quarter of the first game and keep his athletic scholarship.

If what he says is true -- and let's assume it is -- IT'S A POORLY WORDED DOCUMENT in need of REVISION. But it has to be done across the board on an NCAA level or else roster management in college football -- not to mention FAN EXPECTATIONS -- will be significantly affected and on an UNEQUAL BASIS.

You can't have this kind of AGENCY on the part of players without some kind of governing structure and, if necessary, some countervailing quid pro quo.

 

[BGI User 1798]

If I was a nfl gm and seeing these kids sitting out because of money they may lose, I'd think twice on drafting them for the facted they have no problem quitting.

 

[Zorich 88]

this means a player can quit in the first quarter of the first game and keep his athletic scholarship.

Okay

 

[Zorich 88]

What are the salient points in the document regarding what's required in return for the scholarship? What is it that's INCUMBENT on the player? Is there language that addresses this issue at all or is the document wholly silent on players PLAYING AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION? For all any outsider knows, it could b a POORLY DRAFTED AGREEMENT that never contemplated what's happening now. But, again, I DON'T KNOW. So, help me out here. Assuming you're interested.

If a player refuses to play in a game, this is grounds for dismissal. With some exceptions including sickness/injury, family issues/personal issues. The consequences are either suspension or dismissal. A player not playing in a bowl game and opting to enter the draft, would not be effected by dismissal or suspension. No university will take credits earned away.

 

[echowaker]

No, it’s the natural extension, you just don’t have the vision to see it

😂😂😂😂

 

[echowaker]

You avoided answering my question because you know that the answer destroys your narrative.

How many players were injured playing in post season games

Smith is not hanging on by a thread, he’s on an NFL roster

Yes he is. He's been waived twice already and on his 3rd team in 6 weeks. He's certainly hanging on by a thread.

 

[echowaker]

this means a player can quit in the first quarter of the first game and keep his athletic scholarship.

Not true. I signed one in my day.

 

[echowaker]

If I was a nfl gm and seeing these kids sitting out because of money they may lose, I'd think twice on drafting them for the facted they have no problem quitting.

That doesn't happen. The NFL understands the rationale completely. Guarantee some GMs are glad certain players are sitting out.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

Thank you, Bodi, I like reading yours as well as you ALSO make sense. As for your predictions, I'm not weighing in on any of that anymore. You're that kind of fan, and I'm not. But I do apologize for my past sarcasm and cheap-shot criticisms.

I accept your apology but I am the one who called you a troll in spelling Buchners name wrong so I apologize on that--you would not have been sarcastic with me if I did not do that. I guess I was in a bad mood that day and need to learn to control my moods.
We are both GREAT Yankee and Irish fans and need to stick together.
I was just talking about Thurman Munsons death today with an old friend. My friends and were getting together to play a neighborhood softball game and it was overcast and we were all talking about it. We were on summer break from High school. He was one of a kind.

 

[Golson5]

If I was a nfl gm and seeing these kids sitting out because of money they may lose, I'd think twice on drafting them for the facted they have no problem quitting.

You wouldn't last long as a gm

 

[W8LNXYR]

Clemson made 6 straight playoffs and obviously had no opt outs. This year, a clear down year, with a team that has 1st round NFL draft potential, still no opt outs. Maybe it’s more about culture at a non football factory school like ND should be.

 

[4-4-3]

I accept your apology but I am the one who called you a troll in spelling Buchners name wrong so I apologize on that--you would not have been sarcastic with me if I did not do that. I guess I was in a bad mood that day and need to learn to control my moods.
We are both GREAT Yankee and Irish fans and need to stick together.
I was just talking about Thurman Munsons death today with an old friend. My friends and were getting together to play a neighborhood softball game and it was overcast and we were all talking about it. We were on summer break from High school. He was one of a kind.

No need to apologize. I was being a smart ass and had been in a PISSY MOOD for months.

The day Thurman Munson died broke my heart. I was a big Bobby Murcer fan. I lived in Jersey in the early 70's and used to drive in to the Bronx on my own after work to watch Yankee night games. I'll never forget Murcer coming back to the Yankees in 79 and driving in all FIVE RUNS to win the game against the O's the day Thurman died.

By 76, I had good business contacts, had moved to the city and was sitting in a corporate box behind the Royals' dugout the night Chambliss launched his homer to win the 76 Pennant. In those days, you could run out onto the field which I immediately did, camping out in centerfield for a good 10 minutes while wondering how anyone could ever see a baseball in the glare of those lights.

As for Thurman, there aren't too many around today like him. To be honest, there never have been. Like you say, ONE OF A KIND.

 

[4-4-3]

Clemson made 6 straight playoffs and obviously had no opt outs. This year, a clear down year, with a team that has 1st round NFL draft potential, still no opt outs. Maybe it’s more about culture at a non football factory school like ND should be.

Wow, talk about COUNTERINTUITIVE.

Ten out of ten casual fans if asked the question which team over the last six years -- Clemson or ND -- has had ZERO opt outs would, most likely, have chosen ND.

 

[4-4-3]

If a player refuses to play in a game, this is grounds for dismissal. With some exceptions including sickness/injury, family issues/personal issues. The consequences are either suspension or dismissal. A player not playing in a bowl game and opting to enter the draft, would not be effected by dismissal or suspension. No university will take credits earned away.

"A player not playing in a bowl game and opting to enter the draft, would not be effected (affected) by dismissal or suspension."

This is exactly what's stipulated in writing? Or is it your interpretation as the agreement is silent on the issue?

If opting out of bowl games is specifically permitted, then THERE'S NO ARGUMENT that it's legitimate as things now stand. Plus, if players can't refuse to play in other games without being suspended, then there's also no SLIPPERY SLOPE to fear.

But if the documentation is "silent" on the bowl game issue, then it should be CONCRETELY STIPULATED one way or the other for the good of the game, all parties involved and general information purposes, so that people don't enter into UNNECESSARY ENDLESS DEBATE OVER IT.

As long as there are RULES, and we're all clear as to what they are, I can live with ones I don't agree with while still being critical of them. I mean, who even HAS a pitchfork to storm the capital with?

Thanks for FOLLOWING THROUGH with this. I will now research this a bit myself as I want to be sure I have it EXACTLY RIGHT. Regardless of whatever additional info, if any, I find, I WILL POST IT.

 

[4-4-3]

Seems to me, more players are opting out to enter transfer portal than for any other reason. Some have already annouced their chosen transfer site; are they expected to play in a bowl for a team with no more affiliation?

What of the players have gone through December graduation? Are they expected to be forced to keep playing or their degree with taken back?

Too many questions. Too much fluidity.

The pendulum appears to be swinging from players as "indentured servants" to "masters of the universe."

Swings of that scope often don't end well.

 

[HarlemIrish]

4-4-3, What can ND do? If ND makes a stink then other good players don't come to the Irish. Remember Coach K at Duke saying he wouldn't hang baners if all the players didn't graduate. That latest a few seconds. Now he's taking 1 semester & done.

 

[4-4-3]

4-4-3, What can ND do? If ND makes a stink then other good players don't come to the Irish. Remember Coach K at Duke saying he wouldn't hang baners if all the players didn't graduate. That latest a few seconds. Now he's taking 1 semester & done.

Harlem, ND can't and shouldn't do anything on its own for the reason you indicate. But COLLEGE FOOTBALL SHOULD. As I've been saying, if players are now legitimate STAKEHOLDERS, there should be a general reassessment of how far their power should extend. There are other parties involved.

If college football is fine with this sort of LOOSY-GOOSY approach, well then that's IT'S CHOICE, but it's not HOW I would run a railroad. Besides, this isn't rocket science. They can make the rules as strict or as lenient as they wish. But there should, in my opinion, be AT LEAST significant FINE TUNING. Maybe even MAJOR CHANGES.

MLB didn't want FREE AGENCY, but when it came, the sport adapted to it in a way that it could CONTROL IT. Control is key. And who gets to exercise it. Because the last time I looked, sports was still a TOP-DOWN BUSINESS. And I guarantee you -- so it will remain.

 

[88ND]

You wouldn't last long as a gm

You offer no meaningful contribution to a topic but love to snipe posters messages with immature little quips.

The fact you're nearly at 9,000 posts in 30 months offering nothing of substance I'd say you're just padding your post count or you need more life and less internet.

 

[88ND]

4-4-3, What can ND do? If ND makes a stink then other good players don't come to the Irish. Remember Coach K at Duke saying he wouldn't hang baners if all the players didn't graduate. That latest a few seconds. Now he's taking 1 semester & done.

Harlem, ND can't and shouldn't do anything on its own for the reason you indicate. But COLLEGE FOOTBALL SHOULD. As I've been saying, if players are now legitimate STAKEHOLDERS, there should be a general reassessment of how far their power should extend. There are other parties involved.

If college football is fine with this sort of LOOSY-GOOSY approach, well then that's IT'S CHOICE, but it's not HOW I would run a railroad. Besides, this isn't rocket science. They can make the rules as strict or as lenient as they wish. But there should, in my opinion, be AT LEAST significant FINE TUNING. Maybe even MAJOR CHANGES.

MLB didn't want FREE AGENCY, but when it came, the sport adapted to it in a way that it could CONTROL IT. Control is key. And who gets to exercise it. Because the last time I looked, sports was still a TOP-DOWN BUSINESS. And I guarantee you -- so it will remain.

Doubtful colleges will unite on this issue because the "have's" don't care because they just plug and play. One steps out another steps in equally as good or even better.

The real string puller in this matter is the NFL. One rule change, tweak, incentive...whatever...can immediately change this issue.

 

[4-4-3]

Doubtful colleges will unite on this issue because the "have's" don't care because they just plug and play. One steps out another steps in equally as good or even better.

The real string puller in this matter is the NFL. One rule change, tweak, incentive...whatever...can immediately change this issue.

You're probably right. But as a consequence, the game could significantly unravel -- or even FRACTURE -- with material changes in the landscape. As a team that tends to play by its "own set of rules," this could become one more hurdle ND has to navigate if it still wishes to remain among the HAVE'S. Once the thinking is that ANYTHING GOES, the momentum only builds.

These young men can do what they want. It’s unrealistic to think teams will have a mass exodus of players prior to a bowl game.

You wanna know how to stop this from happening? Make the playoffs! Not one player from a playoff team has ever opted out

 

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You're probably right. But as a consequence, the game could significantly unravel -- or even FRACTURE -- with material changes in the landscape. As a team that tends to play by its "own set of rules," this could become one more hurdle ND has to navigate if it still wishes to remain among the HAVE'S. Once the thinking is that ANYTHING GOES, the momentum only builds.

I'm not sure how I tangled up these posts, but no matter, people can still separate out and read.

Anyway, while it may be true that no player in an NC game has opted out, it's NO GUARANTEE of FUTURE BEHAVIOR, especially if there's a history of -- or chronically recurring -- injury and the threat of re-injury.

And, honestly, why should the thought process be any different? Will bragging rights that you played in and/or won an NC game but lost your future NFL fortune because you got seriously injured amount to anything approaching FAIR VALUE COMPENSATION? NO WAY. It's the SAME DEGREE OF RISK for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Playing in a football game.

Sooner or later, some player will FIGURE THAT OUT and say SCREW IT. I mean, who thought there would be dropouts, guys leaving early or wholesale transfers AT ALL?

Quitting is quitting. And if you can justify it at a lower level, you can justify it higher up the ladder. And the more it's about money, the more it's about money.

Happens to most of us.

 

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You offer no meaningful contribution to a topic but love to snipe posters messages with immature little quips.

The fact you're nearly at 9,000 posts in 30 months offering nothing of substance I'd say you're just padding your post count or you need more life and less internet.

Thats how I respond to dumb comments. And unfortunately there's a lot on here. A lot of yours as well.