Why losing kizer is a huge plus..

[NIN Irish]

I'm happy to see Kizer go pro and will root for him, especially if Wimbush can stay healthy and lead the team to a great season.

An improvement in wins from last season shouldn't be hard.

 

[REMND]

The only way losing Kizer is a plus is if Wimbush explodes with Long's offense.

We lamented our 4th qtr conditioning. As the season went on, Kizer had less to work with. He also took a step back with less experienced receivers, an OL that played less than expected and RBs who were less explosive. Can't blame Kizer who is exciting the pros. How could losing an almost certain first round QB be addition by subtraction?

The only plus is a clean slate for Long to implement a slightly new offensive scheme with a guy who can own can own it.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Original post is 100% right in my humble opinion. There was just something with him I wasn't crazy about. I really do think Zaire would have been a better college quarterback if everything health wise went right for him. Also, if he had came back I would bet a ton of money that wimbush would have transferred. I think it was time to turn the page and start the wimbush era. Not hating on DK, just not my cup of tea as a college qb

 

[RowTheBoatND]

It's a huge plus for Kelly too. If his QB's struggle in 2017 he has an excuse if the overall record for the team stinks, again. I've never seen a coach that makes more excuses than the current ND "coach."

 

[NDIRISH53]

It's a huge plus for Kelly too. If his QB's struggle in 2017 he has an excuse if the overall record for the team stinks, again. I've never seen a coach that makes more excuses than the current ND "coach."

My biggest fear is we go 8-4 and BK's bosses give him the excuse of having a first year starter or the impending injuries we sure as all hell will suffer

 

[RowTheBoatND]

My biggest fear is we go 8-4 and BK's bosses give him the excuse of having a first year starter or the impending injuries we sure as all hell will suffer

Oh, I've been thinking the same thing for the past two months. I think it's a lock Kelly will be back in 2018 if he can muster a winning season this year. $warbrick thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

Like you said, he's already got the "hey we were breaking in a new QB excuse, we won the motor city bowl, and had 3 more wins than the year before spin-job ready.

Things are looking good for a 9-4 season in 2018, Jack!

 

[NDIRISH53]

Oh, I've been thinking the same thing for the past two months. I think it's a lock Kelly will be back in 2018 if he can muster a winning season this year. $warbrick thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

Like you said, he's already got the "hey we were breaking in a new QB excuse, we won the motor city bowl, and had 3 more wins than the year before spin-job ready.

Things are looking good for a 9-4 season in 2018, Jack!

Maybe 2 more years of BK then my boy PJ from Minnesota? One can only hope

 

[Bodizephax]

Kizer would disappear for quarters at a time. He was wildly inaccurate at times. I loved his running most.

 

[TBone138]

Although I don't feel Kizer was the problem, I don't see why a simple debate/discussion on the topic is a bad thing.

 

[Toby Smart]

Kizer had his moments but he also had his moments. He gave us plenty to smile about. I appreciate MZ and DK for their time here. Both Domers. Both did their best. They didn't play Special Teams or defense. DK and MZ weren't perfect, but they were ours.

 

[floridairish]

I love when people who know nothing about football talk about "adjustments" or lack thereof "adjustments". Breaking news you have no idea how to prepare a gameplan and therefore have no idea how to adjust a gameplan.

However, even those with a bare mininum football acumen (99.9% of posters and 100% of Sewing Circle) Go look at the Navy game and watch Kizer miss a wide open receiver running down the seam that would of been an easy TD and put ND up two scores, or lock on to a receiver and throw a game changing int, or open his shoulders and drive a ball into the dirt. He was lazy with his footwork and his mechanics. Hopefully Winbush can take the coaching like Tony Pike and Zach Colloros did at UC.

 

[Mugsyk]

ah.....the new ND fan! totally lacking in sophistication.

I would say that's the "new" America: ignorance and trolling

 

[aka ryan]

Maybe 2 more years of BK then my boy PJ from Minnesota? One can only hope

You think freak will beat a good team next year?

 

[aka ryan]

I love when people who know nothing about football talk about "adjustments" or lack thereof "adjustments". Breaking news you have no idea how to prepare a gameplan and therefore have no idea how to adjust a gameplan.

However, even those with a bare mininum football acumen (99.9% of posters and 100% of Sewing Circle) Go look at the Navy game and watch Kizer miss a wide open receiver running down the seam that would of been an easy TD and put ND up two scores, or lock on to a receiver and throw a game changing int, or open his shoulders and drive a ball into the dirt. He was lazy with his footwork and his mechanics. Hopefully Winbush can take the coaching like Tony Pike and Zach Colloros did at UC.

I've never seen a QB so bad in the pocket.. very rarely did he step up into it always got shock and ran outside of it.. happy feet.. I don't know if he can be a starter in the NFL, but I wouldn't draft him.

 

[aka ryan]

I would say that's the "new" America: ignorance and trolling

O save it.. if you don't think kizer struggled late in games you are a fool.
In 7 pts games what would you guess his winning percentage is?

 

[Nocalirish]

I've never seen a QB so bad in the pocket.. very rarely did he step up into it always got shock and ran outside of it.. happy feet.. I don't know if he can be a starter in the NFL, but I wouldn't draft him.

You couldnt draft him because you dont know shite about football.

 

[NDIRISH53]

You think freak will beat a good team next year?

Who is "freak" PJ Fleck?

 

[aka ryan]

You couldnt draft him because you dont know shite about football.

 

[Toby Smart]

Listening to Chicago sports radio this morning, the two boobs hosting the show were talking DK over Watson for Da Bears in the upcoming draft. They mentioned "others" have mentioned that DK may have some character issues. What on this great green Earth are these "others" talking about? Anyone know? If diving into a pile to recover a fumble during a lost season knowing you are leaving for the NFL is a character issue, I want more players on my team like this. I know we have a lot of proclaimed QB and draft experts roaming this board, but specifically, what character issues are a problem with DK? Did he say he would stand for the anthem in the NFL or something? Am I missing something?

 

[NDIRISH53]

Listening to Chicago sports radio this morning, the two boobs hosting the show were talking DK over Watson for Da Bears in the upcoming draft. They mentioned "others" have mentioned that DK may have some character issues. What on this great green Earth are these "others" talking about? Anyone know? If diving into a pile to recover a fumble during a lost season knowing you are leaving for the NFL is a character issue, I want more players on my team like this. I know we have a lot of proclaimed QB and draft experts roaming this board, but specifically, what character issues are a problem with DK? Did he say he would stand for the anthem in the NFL or something? Am I missing something?

Nothing I can think of, maybe something leaked about him being a poor leader which I doubt. But on another note I would take Watson 1st overall if I was Cleveland. I love that kid even tho I hate Clemson.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

They were likely basing it on this BS story linked below. No sources are named, no specific character issue is cited and the writer admits it may be a ploy by scouts to try to drive DK's draft stock down so that a team can try to get him at a bargain.

http://thebiglead.com/2017/01/25/de...s-at-senior-bowl-start-of-smokescreen-season/ -

 

[sshulk]

He won several games in the 4th quarter some of which the defense proceeded to re-blow

 

[aka ryan]

look at every QB under Kelly! what is your motivation, trashing players?

And Kizer is obviously more highly regarded than Kelly! He can find a job!

How is kizer more highly regarded that kelly?

How are stats running down a player ?

This isn't pee wee football bro, kid is gonna get drafted in the NFL, it's ok to be critical of a player.

Get off your high horse please.

 

[aka ryan]

Who is "freak" PJ Fleck?

Row row row your boat

 

[47WimanND]

I'm happy to see Kizer go pro and will root for him, especially if Wimbush can stay healthy and lead the team to a great season.

An improvement in wins from last season shouldn't be hard.

The only QB Kelly hasn't "broken" is Rees. There is something wrong when a QB best years are their initial year starting. I expect Wimbush to be great this year and if Long and Rees can keep Kelly away from him he will stay great.

I too wish Kizer and Zaire success wherever they wind up. Would hate to see Kizer rot in Cleveland.

 

[aka ryan]

The only QB Kelly hasn't "broken" is Rees. There is something wrong when a QB best years are their initial year starting. I expect Wimbush to be great this year and if Long and Rees can keep Kelly away from him he will stay great.

I too wish Kizer and Zaire success wherever they wind up. Would hate to see Kizer rot in Cleveland.

The broken thing is a joke right?
Golsen- kicked out for a year
Zaire- injury out for a year
Kizer - potential first round pick.

 

[47WimanND]

The broken thing is a joke right?
Golsen- kicked out for a year
Zaire- injury out for a year
Kizer - potential first round pick.

No joke. Other than Rees show me one QB under Kelly that did not produce his best stats in his 1st year as starter. They all regressed. Even Kizer wasn't nearly as good in his 2nd year as he was in his 1st. I get injuries and personal issues but none of the other Kelly QBs actually were better QBs after their 1st year.
I don't blame the players. Kelly runs a QB centered offense and keeps piling on new plays and reads that make the QBs think too much. Golson came back after working with a top QB guru and he essentially blew up before our eyes.
My point here is that I hope Kelly steps away and lets Long and Rees handle the QBs. The farther away Kelly is the better off Wimbush et al will be.

 

[aka ryan]

No joke. Other than Rees show me one QB under Kelly that did not produce his best stats in his 1st year as starter. They all regressed. Even Kizer wasn't nearly as good in his 2nd year as he was in his 1st. I get injuries and personal issues but none of the other Kelly QBs actually were better QBs after their 1st year.
I don't blame the players. Kelly runs a QB centered offense and keeps piling on new plays and reads that make the QBs think too much. Golson came back after working with a top QB guru and he essentially blew up before our eyes.
My point here is that I hope Kelly steps away and lets Long and Rees handle the QBs. The farther away Kelly is the better off Wimbush et al will be.

I guess ill start with Golson

Completion % went up in year 2
28 passing TDs year 2
TD to INT ratio was better in in year 2
Yards per attempt was better in year 2
QB rating was also better year 2

Zaire didn't throw the ball more that 100 times in his career.
But like Golson he improved in all the above stats in year 2

Kizer
Comp% down 4 points
All other were better in year 2.

So what were you saying?

 

[47WimanND]

I guess ill start with Golson

Completion % went up in year 2
28 passing TDs year 2
TD to INT ratio was better in in year 2
Yards per attempt was better in year 2
QB rating was also better year 2

Zaire didn't throw the ball more that 100 times in his career.
But like Golson he improved in all the above stats in year 2

Kizer
Comp% down 4 points
All other were better in year 2.

So what were you saying?

I've been very clear. Golson turned into a fumble machine.
Kelly's QBs are better with a limited playbook and less thinking at the LOS. He raises the level of his sideline badgering as the QB gets more experienced and that amps up the pressure to be perfect.
My opinion and I'm sticking with it. Give Wimbush plays that fit his talent and let him play.

 

[aka ryan]

I've been very clear. Golson turned into a fumble machine.
Kelly's QBs are better with a limited playbook and less thinking at the LOS. He raises the level of his sideline badgering as the QB gets more experienced and that amps up the pressure to be perfect.
My opinion and I'm sticking with it. Give Wimbush plays that fit his talent and let him play.

That is fine and I agree but don't make crap up

 

[aka ryan]

look at every QB under Kelly! what is your motivation, trashing players?

And Kizer is obviously more highly regarded than Kelly! He can find a job!

Okay

 

[pikehead]

Kizer was fine, and I certainly wish him well, but part of me is glad that he's moved on. I might eat crow come September, but at the end of the day---he wasn't winning games. Not saying it was his fault, but as the starting QB, Kizer wasn't winning games. Lets see how it goes with BW or Book.

you probably were on the ping pong team with your sister...ha

 

[Bogie8870]

you probably were on the ping pong team with your sister...ha

I was on a beer pong team once...

 

[shabak]

Please help me out..why did he get worse?

Maybe because our defense sucks and he was forced to pass. When the opposing team knows you have to.pasd good things don't happen.

 

[Pennick44]

I guess ill start with Golson

Completion % went up in year 2
28 passing TDs year 2
TD to INT ratio was better in in year 2
Yards per attempt was better in year 2
QB rating was also better year 2

Zaire didn't throw the ball more that 100 times in his career.
But like Golson he improved in all the above stats in year 2

Kizer
Comp% down 4 points
All other were better in year 2.

So what were you saying?

How dare you inject facts.

 

[Pennick44]

I was on a beer pong team once...

Were you elected Captain?

 

[Bogie8870]

Were you elected Captain?

Equipment Manager....... I had the biggest fridge...

 

[aka ryan]

Maybe because our defense sucks and he was forced to pass. When the opposing team knows you have to.pasd good things don't happen.

1st quarter 83 attempts
2nd 114 attempts
3rd 79 attempts
4th 83 attempts