Why losing kizer is a huge plus..
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defenses adjusted,,, including how they played the receivers..
ND coaches were not able too...
then you can see him rush throws,,,,
if he was just a bad QB.. then his first quarter stats would suck too...
ND coaches were not able too...
then you can see him rush throws,,,,
if he was just a bad QB.. then his first quarter stats would suck too...
Well if your trailing in games often, it makes you one dimensional. So at the end of games you throwing into 8 man coverage zones. Kelly likes to abandon the run games as soon he faces a little adversity.
Many young receivers that did not run the tightest routes also contributed to the adjustments of defenses.
Kizer was fine, and I certainly wish him well, but part of me is glad that he's moved on. I might eat crow come September, but at the end of the day---he wasn't winning games. Not saying it was his fault, but as the starting QB, Kizer wasn't winning games. Lets see how it goes with BW or Book.
Here most of us thought the issue was BK but I think you are onto something. We were all blaming the wrong person. But wait... before we settle on this, which player(s) on ND's squad played better as the game went on in 2016? Please help me out.
Our inability to score in the fourth qtr was a major problem with this team and you can't point the finger at one issue or one player to explain this. Poor coaching adjustments, lack of leadership among the players, inferior strength and conditioning, lack of mental toughness, young receivers, etc... all contributed. I was disappointed that Kizer did not show improvement in his areas of weakness from year one to year two, but not having Fuller in year two was the single greatest difference in his performance. I'm looking forward to watching Wimbush and a new ND offensive identity, and wish Kizer success as a pro.
Irish fans complained about Tommy and wanted Golson. Then they complained about Golson and wanted MZ. Then, once Kizer entered the picture, they wanted MZ out and Kizer in. Now it seems Kizer is no longer wanted and enter BW. Over/under on how many games it will take for the cries to replace BW. Four games?
Because the other 10 players, and non-coaching adjustments by ND and more importantly, adjustments made by the opponents had nothing to do with that -- right genius? Stick to being a Walmart clerk.
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you could say same for Nelson, McGlinch, Adams, even back to JSmith!
How about the idea the defensive team, being less efeective caused the change in offensive approach; the fact that other teams make adjustments and ND does not!
The OP lacks any analytical tools!
When I read posts blaming individual players for the disaster that is the 'team', it wreaks and stinks of A Kelly supporter trying to shift fault.
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None of bk s qbs had anything close to 48% in the 4th.. so I guess it's bks fault not the QB. SMH
Look at every year under Kelly tell me who and what year was that poor in the 4th quarter??!?? I'll wait
So the other 10 and the coaching staff all got worse?? No kizer?
It isn't that hard. The kid sucked last year in the second half
So you refuse to answer my question.
Keep shaking your head. Maybe a clue will shake loose.
You really need to figure out how words work. Show us all where Kelso said or implied Kizer was the only one who didn't get worse.
"But wait... before we settle on this, which player(s) on ND's squad played better as the game went on in 2016? Please help me out."
Let's help out the lad a bit -- the defense softened as the game got into the 2nd half, receivers could not get open or adjust routes, ND coaches failed to adjust to the opponents adjustments...
But yea -- Kizer simply sucked int he 2nd half of most games. So it is his, and his alone, fault.
look at every QB under Kelly! what is your motivation, trashing players?
And Kizer is obviously more highly regarded than Kelly! He can find a job!
If you are behind in the 4th quarter like ND was for most of 2016, you tend to be in pass desperation mode. When you are in pass desperation mode, the defense knows this and their lineman can ignore the run and go straight for the sack. I would guess if you look at other 4-8 teams that rely heavily on the pass, their 4th quarter passing stats suffer in a similar fashion.
i think your lil icon on your ID is about all the reply that is needed. I learned long ago that you never argue with children or child like minds.
losing Kelly!
now that would be a huge
plus plus!
( it was apparent that DK and BK were not in synch, but sending posters here to do the dirty work is, well just a continous pattern we have seen with this HC)
now that would be a huge
plus plus!
( it was apparent that DK and BK were not in synch, but sending posters here to do the dirty work is, well just a continous pattern we have seen with this HC)
I assume you are talking about a "cheap" bespoke suit from a shop on Savile Row in London that costs 20x what you spend at Men's Warehouse.Completion % by quarter
1st - 72.3
2nd - 57.9
3rd - 57
4th - 48.2
Kid folds like a cheap suit.
I don't know if this is fair or not but I didn't see a lot of leadership from Kizer. I wasn't in the locker room or the huddle but the '16 team seemed to lack leadership from the upperclassmen. Redfield is certainly one example of a lack of proper leadership. I'm just wondering if Kizer was another example. Please note that I'm not suggesting that Kizer was providing bad leadership like Redfield but, rather, that he was providing little, if any, leadership on and off the field.
I was disappointed in Kizer last year. He did have a bunch of young receivers so that didn't help. I think he needs to develop more mental toughness. I think he definitely should have come back next year but I will be rooting for him.
There's no plus/gain by losing one of the best players in the country.
We go from a 2 year veteran starter/top 50 pro prospect to a guy who has nothing more than some experience in garbage time (Wimbush) ... and if he gets injured there's limited athletes with no experience backing him up.
We go from a 2 year veteran starter/top 50 pro prospect to a guy who has nothing more than some experience in garbage time (Wimbush) ... and if he gets injured there's limited athletes with no experience backing him up.
I agree -- it's very entertaining to see the constant change on a college football roster -- however, it isn't *better* that Kizer is gone in 2017. The team would be significantly stronger with him behind center and Wimbush backing him up.
No way those numbers are affected by the fact that ND was trailing in a lot of those 4th Quarters and Kizer was forced to pass against D's that were playing the pass.
Clearly doesn't t understand the game.Completion % by quarter
1st - 72.3
2nd - 57.9
3rd - 57
4th - 48.2
Kid folds like a cheap suit.
