Who wins more games ND or SC ?

[IrishBlessings]

Alright ND fans. Who wins more games this next season. Given our tough Schedule and factor in that the Pac 12 is a pretty strong conference. Who wins more games next season ND or SC ?

Irish go 11 -1 and SC loses 9-3. IMO.

 

[Epictitus]

ND......The Irish will be a top five team and while USC will be very good they will likely be playing ND's first team this year.

 

[MTIrish98]

I will go with a tie -- 10 wins each.

 

[perseverare]

MT

good guess. The unfortunate part of it is 1 probably eliminates the other from playoff considerations. There is a slight chance that a loss to ND and a PAC 12 Championship could overcome a ND loss; but it would have to be the only loss. I do not think ND has such a chance even w/1 loss to SC.

JMO.

 

[shooter1977]

USC's expectations for this season are too high. Of the 37 ESPN cfb "experts" only Ohio State and Alabama received more votes in their playoff predictions. Reminds me a little bit of 2012 when they were ranked #1 in the preseason and finished 7-6. They'll be better than 2012, but I'd guess 8-9 wins in the regular season. ND should win 10 games.

 

[nook91]

unfortunately, usc

unbelievably, inconceivably, and unacceptably with all the talent we have, nd once again goes 8-4 with losses to georgia tech (can't stop the run; defense won't get off the field on 3rd down), at clemson (will look like a basketball score) and usc (who just plain beats us with faster, tougher athletes). to add insult to injury, we then drop 1 of the last 4 due to low morale to either pitt, wake, bc or stanford. in my opinion, there is still some sort of malaise (not just injuries) that plagues this program, as evidenced by the end of the year slide that occurred in 2014.

usc loses only 1 to either asu or ucla.

[as an aside, my prediction for the 2014 season was 8-4 (more likely) or 7-5 (less likely). however, nd got to 7-5 with surprising wins and losses i did not predict].

 

[floridairish]

If ND can put a defense on the field that is historically mediocre by ND standards, this team can win 10-11 games, If they are historically awful like 2014, they will win 7 or 8. It's really that simple.

With the rules being what they are in College Football. A really good College offense should average at least 35 points per game, And a really good college defense should hold people to 24 points or less.

ND averaged 33 points per game last year, with massive turnover and kicking issues. With average ball security and place kicking ND would of easily hit 35 points per game,

Can ND hold the really good teams on the schedule to less than 30 points. That's the question?

 

[IrishBlooded]

USC
Schedule / returning starters / last year schedule

Arky State - 14 9Off, 7Def / 7-6
Idaho Vandals - 13 6Off, 7Def / 1-10
Stanford - 13 9Off, 4Def 8-5
@Arizona State - 16 7Off, 9Def/ 10-3
BYE
Washington - 10 6Off, 4Def / 8-6
@ND - 19 9Off, 10Def / 8-5
Utah - 15 9Off, 6Def / 9-4
@Cal - 17 8Off, 9Def / 5-7
Arizona - 12 7Off, 5Def / 10-4
@Colorado - 16 7Off, 9Def / 2-10
@Oregon - 12 7Off, 5Def / 13-2
UCLA - 18 10Off, 8Def / 10-3

Notre Dame
Schedule / Returning Starters / last year Schedule
Texas - 13 8Off, 5Def / 6-7
@Virginia - 10 5Off, 5Def / 5-7
GTech - 13 5Off, 8Def / 11-3
UMass - 19 10Off, 9 Def / 3-9
@Clemson - 11 7Off, 4Def / 10-3
Navy - 11 5Off, 6Def / 8-5
USC - 14 7Off, 7Def / 9-4
BYE
Temple @ Philly - 19 8Off, 11Def / 6-6
@PITT - 15 9Off, 6Def / 6-7
Wake - 16 9Off, 6Def / 3-9
BC @ Fenway - 9 3Off, 6Def / 7-6
@Stanford - 13 9Off, 4Def / 8-5


Combined opponent records:
USC: 91/65
ND: 82/71

Overall I think USC can walk away with the better record, depending on how the team gels this year. They are going to be young and thin at spots still, and more apt to give up the big play if morale gets down. In my heart I still think ND is a 10 or 11 win team this year.

 

[MTIrish98]

Originally posted by perseverare:
MT

good guess. The unfortunate part of it is 1 probably eliminates the other from playoff considerations. There is a slight chance that a loss to ND and a PAC 12 Championship could overcome a ND loss; but it would have to be the only loss. I do not think ND has such a chance even w/1 loss to SC.

JMO.

10 wins won't be enough for either team to get in. A 1-loss Pac-12 champ would likely be in. A 1-loss ND would need some help AND it would need to be a quality loss (like USC).

Steve Sarkisian tends to win big games and lose games that raise eyebrows -- that's why I'm not convinced they will win the Pac-12 this year. The Pac-12 South will be tough again.

 

[cgvr]

Who know?

I hope somehow we can close the gap with them on the field.

Losing 35-0 at 8:13 in the 2nd quarter is about the worst I have ever seen ND play....

The week before the southern cal game we play Navy which sucks for us.

southern cal will be coming off 9 days rest after playing washington on Thursday Oct 8.

 

[Epictitus]

Why are some down here? I fully expect Notre Dame to be favored in each and every game. USC appears to be the strongest team they will face and they will not have the luxury of playing against an ND team depleted by injuries. Go Irish!
This post was edited on 2/24 2:15 PM by Epictitus

 

[IrishBlooded]

I don't know ND will be favored @Clemson or against USC.

Will depend on what the first couple of games look like for the Irish.

GTech will tell much to that. And for USC early season game against Stanford, and @ASU will say much for their team.

 

[Epictitus]

Yes, the start is all important, but barring injury ND is much stronger than Clemson. USC, short of injury on either side, is a good game.

 

[captstabbin]

Originally posted by MTIrish98:

Originally posted by perseverare:
MT

good guess. The unfortunate part of it is 1 probably eliminates the other from playoff considerations. There is a slight chance that a loss to ND and a PAC 12 Championship could overcome a ND loss; but it would have to be the only loss. I do not think ND has such a chance even w/1 loss to SC.

JMO.

10 wins won't be enough for either team to get in. A 1-loss Pac-12 champ would likely be in. A 1-loss ND would need some help AND it would need to be a quality loss (like USC).

Steve Sarkisian tends to win big games and lose games that raise eyebrows -- that's why I'm not convinced they will win the Pac-12 this year. The Pac-12 South will be tough again.

And a close loss, and we would have to PUNISH most other teams on the schedule. Just getting by opponents does not do the trick anymore if you lose just 1 game.....especially with no conference championship.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Both go 9-3

 

[Toby Smart]

There are at least eight games that will be sinkholes if the 2015 Irish are not careful. Texas, G Tech, at Clemson (Clemson is 32-7 in the last three seasons with TWO home losses) , USC, Stanford, with Navy, Pitt, and BC in Boston all waiting their turn. Which one of the Texas, Clemson, USC , G Tech, and Stanford games are sure fire wins for ND? Who wants to be the guy (or gal) to make a prediction on that five headed monster?

 

[perseverare]

jack

this forum is laced with 12-0, 11-1 and 10-2 predictions. So ...apparently the schedule is a cakewalk!

 

[Bodizephax]

jack

this forum is laced with 12-0, 11-1 and 10-2 predictions. So ...apparently the schedule is a cakewalk!
...perse

Mr 23,000 trolling positive posters again. Always starting trouble and then, like the weasel he is, blaming others,

Most others on this board respect others opinions whether they say 12 and 0 or 3 and 9.

But not Perse. Perse = First class weasel.

 

[HDK]

Originally posted by Irishjohn68:

Both go 9-3

I have no idea how USC will fare, but I'd say your prediction is pretty good, with an upside of maybe 10-2 and a downside of 8-4.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

USC will be in the 4-team playoff and ND won't be. That'll give you a clue as to who will win more games next season.

 

[perseverare]

oregon - UCLA are going to be starting new QB's; anytime a team faces that there is a degree of uncertainty. USC is certainly in the playoff discussion.
Can any PAC team get through the schedule with a single loss in '15? That is what it takes to get in.

The prevailing presumption is tOSU and the SEC have 2 spots; FSU nor the ACC in grneral is not a lock; (new QB at FSU); looks like everyone is playing for the 2 spots.

 

[IrishBlessings]

may be only 1 spot. The SEC bias wont go away. IF they have two 1 loss teams they will both get in. Until there at least 8 in the playoffs - it is going to be flawed system where a deserving team (TCU) is left out.

W/ 8 no deserving team would be left out.

 

[beachcardinal]

As an SC fan I officially have no idea. We return our QB, our entire O-line and much of both offense and defense. But we lose three of our best players in Williams, Buck Allen and Angelor so...who knows.

I might have an idea week four but I sure don't now. (BTW I have been spectacularly wrong about the winner of SC/ND games, nearly perfectly wrong.) So you are rooting for me to pick SC when the time comes.

 

[Java65]

SC. I think they win 10 games and I'm guessing ND wins 9, so not by much.

 

[Toby Smart]

If the lads can go two out of three against G Tech, Clemson, and USC then they might have a shot at ten wins. Maybe. You are then asking the Irish to take three out of four from Navy, Pitt, BC, and Stanford then win out against Texas, Virginia, UMass, Temple, and WF. That's how I see the season and that's how I grouped the opponents. You get yourself to double digit wins against a very imposing schedule. Of course, suspensions, injuries, and a replay of the mistake filled, turnover induced performance that we were all treated to last season will change everything. For ND to win ten or more, everything has to be darn near perfect on and off the field.

 

[no1e]

Originally posted by HDK:

Originally posted by Irishjohn68:

Both go 9-3

I have no idea how USC will fare, but I'd say your prediction is pretty good, with an upside of maybe 10-2 and a downside of 8-4.

Agree with John re ND. IMHO .... 9-3 with better odds at 8-4 than 10-2. Better odds at 7-5 than 11-1.

ND should be preseason dogs to USC, Clemson, GaTech and possibly Stanford.

As in the past ND will likely upset one of those and then lose to a lesser team on the schedule like Pitt, Navy or Texas.

 

[88ND]

Same....whichever team has the least amount of losses between usc and nd will lose that head to head match up. The game will be so close and both teams will make the playoffs in hopes of seeing that matchup again in the final game.

Now that is some Damn wishful thinking

 

[Mac034]

The only game ND will be underdogs is @Clemson. Possibly the USC game. ND has a tough schedule, but a talented and experience team coming back. If they pull off a one loss season (the loss being @Clemson) I think there is a very strong possibility that it is playoff time! I disagree with people that think a one loss ND team can not make the playoff. There are a lot of factors... when the loss occurs, who the loss is to, etc. If you beat GTECH, Stanford, USC, and an improved Texas team with a few other solid teams sprinkled in, then that should be enough. We should all be pretty optimistic at this point. Lets just hope for a clean offseason.

 

[DubsDreader]

A one loss ND team is almost a certainty to be in the 2015 playoff.

 

[john0gaunt]

Agreed Dubs. This has always been the case. A one loss ND team was always going to be in the conversation. One of the things that angers the other fan bases so much. However, it will not be easy finishing 2015 with one loss.


No means No, Noooooooo ooo

 

[Toby Smart]

IF ND does this. IF ND does that. IF IF IF IF! The other programs practice, scout, and offer schollies too. If anyone believes that Texas, USC, Clemson, G Tech, and Stanford will only project one Irish loss and then completely discount Navy, Pitt, and BC as throw away games, I have a beautiful lake side villa for sale in Death Valley that you would also be interested in. Feel free to jump on my bandwagon as some have already done. It is going to take an injury free, no suspension, plus turnover ratio, no killer penalties, defense strong year for the Irish to accomplish a double digit win season let alone a one loss season and a Final Four appearance. IMO, the Texas game will say a lot. They may not be the Daryl Royal Longhorns of the 60s and 70s but they are still Texas.

 

[DubsDreader]

In 2015, barring another devastating year of injuries and suspensions, Notre Dame will field a more experienced and talented team than anyone they face and will be expected to go 12-0. USC is the only team relatively close.

 

[john0gaunt]

Dubs, Beach has commented that USC will lose a few highly talented skill position players. The thing is, they retain the QB and as I recall they had a frosh RB that tore our defense to shreds.

Now, a fully healthy defense will help if we are able to get there, but we all know when USC has a top flight RB, they can shred the best defenses with apparent ease. (OJ , Marcus Allen, and Reggie Bush come to mind) I'm very concerned about USC. I'm slightly less concerned with Stanford, Texas, ASU,, and the list goes on frankly.

It's going to be a tough road to hoe.


No means No, Noooooooooo ooooooo

 

[no1e]

Fortunately argusdubs those that look at these things with knowledge and without biased blinders on will not be in agreement with you..... IMHO.

I'll bet the house that barring injury Clemson, GaTech and USC will all be preseason ranked ahead of ND. Flip a coin on whether Stanford is. I will let you decide whether that will happen because of talent or some other reason.

Can't wait to hear your argument. Please remove the blue and gold glasses at the door. Eight years straight with the same prediction is expected.

 

[Epictitus]

Mo1e, Why did you say Brian Kelly murdered Declan Sullivan and then lie about not saying it?

 

[no1e]

Originally posted by Epictitus:

Mo1e, Why did you say Brian Kelly murdered Declan Sullivan and then lie about not saying it?

Shut up argus.

I have never made the first comment about the Sullivan case. I have never made the first comment about Brian Kelly other than to contradict your crazy comments about him being more successful than Jimbo since they both arrived at their respective head coaching positions. . Especially regarding the Sullivan case.

I stand in Kelly's corner by the way regarding that incident.

If you think lying over and over again about something I never said will change the truth you're more pathological than even this board thinks you are.

Get lost. All of you.