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I know we've been over this... but I was thinking: wouldn't it be best if Malik was the man? If he has a stellar year he will go to the NFL and Kizer would stick with ND knowing the job is his for his senior year. Then Wimbush takes over the next two years...

In the end I trust Kelly and Stanford to put the best guy behind center but we all agree that Malik is a real leader with infinite enthusiasm... yet DK showed us a lot last year. If Dk wins the job, Malik will probably transfer and we'd have a very seasoned QB in 2017 in DK... Damn, this is a tough one!

A conundrum... but a nice one, right?
 
Even though I think Kizer is a better QB, I think Malik is better for this team this year.
Kizer has a strong arm, throws a deep ball, but not great at short throws. Also not a great runner or read option QB. And his deep threats are gone.
With this team, I think running the ball with our backs & QB, & throwing short to our TEs & huge WRs is our strength, which benefits Malik.

So even though Kizer probably gets the job, I think Malik is a better college QB for ND this year. I think the offense would be unstoppable wit him.
 
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Kizer

ain't broke, don't fix it!

1st time in 6 years ND could utilize the area between hash's in the passing game.

And he can do everything the other 2 guys can do?

When did MZ become a sharp-shooter? Both have som accuracy issus.

and

more like Jurkovich - start developing a team offensive identity.
 
perseverare said:
Kizer

ain't broke, don't fix it!

1st time in 6 years ND could utilize the area between hash's in the passing game.

And he can do everything the other 2 guys can do?

When did MZ become a sharp-shooter? Both have som accuracy issus.

and

more like Jurkovich - start developing a team offensive identity.
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I don't think Malik is a sharpshooter, just better in the short passing game. And I think Malik is a lot better at the read option.
Kizer will get the nod & I will be fine with that. I just think for this team makeup this year, Malik fits.
 
At first I thought Malik was our best bet. And then I started thinking Kizer has all the tools to be a great qb this year. So what do I know.
I trust whoever Kelly picks at QB this year. Great competition leads to great success.
 
MZ is clearly #2 and his only chance for pt is as the redzone specialist if DK doesnt improve in that area.
 
Whoever starts, if all holds, he will be the first returning QB with any experience to start in a darn long time. Neither EG or TR could put 2 consecutive years together. So the last one would be BQ?
 
lol @ people believing this is actually a competition ...

Kizer is already on every NFL team's must scout list. He is the complete package (prototypical size, arm strength, mobility, reads, etc.). He also has all of the intangibles as well (mature, film junky, etc.)

Expect a BIG step forward in his 2nd season.
 
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lol @ people believing this is actually a competition ...

Kizer is already on every NFL team's must scout list. He is the complete package (prototypical size, arm strength, mobility, reads, etc.). He also has all of the intangibles as well (mature, film junky, etc.)

Expect a BIG step forward in his 2nd season.
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I agree that Kizer is a better QB. But my point was Malik with this team. Similar to 93 with Powlus & McDougal. ND probably doesn't challenge for a title with Powlus. But McDougal was the right guy for that team.
I think Kizer is a NFL starter someday, Malik won't be. But I think Malik could be a double-threat title winning COLLEGE QB. And I dont care if he plays pro, or has big numbers, as long as he wins college games. (Tommy Frazier college winner).
But I still love Kizer as our QB.
 
at least the debate is how 'good' they are and not which is the lesser of 2 evils!

A good position to be in at that key position!
 
Again we are just fans and we can speculate all we want. I think a lot of you writing off MZ is because you have DK fresh in your mind. However last year DK had a crutch named Will Fuller to bail him out. Without #7 does ND beat USC or GT? Without Chris Brown does ND beat BC? DK needs play makers to be successful. MZ can be a play maker with his feet. If he's not using his feet the opponent will be worried about it and open up something else. For those saying DK is a NFL'er waiting to happen, that means squat in the college game.
 
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perseverare said:
Kizer

ain't broke, don't fix it!

1st time in 6 years ND could utilize the area between hash's in the passing game.

And he can do everything the other 2 guys can do?

When did MZ become a sharp-shooter? Both have som accuracy issus.

and

more like Jurkovich - start developing a team offensive identity.
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Exactly that's why Zaire should be starting he just broke his ankle. He is healed and should start period.
 
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chaseball said:
lol @ people believing this is actually a competition ...

Kizer is already on every NFL team's must scout list. He is the complete package (prototypical size, arm strength, mobility, reads, etc.). He also has all of the intangibles as well (mature, film junky, etc.)

Expect a BIG step forward in his 2nd season.
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First of all his isn't on these so call NFL list you guys are fooling yourself with that. Kiser had a decent year because of those surrounding him. He Excelled because of the great team around him. So before you delusional fan start thinking nfl. Think he has more time to develop after this year. When Zaire takes us to the next level trust me this kids is better and more exciting to watch and will lead
 
How's I wanna see it play out:
2016: Kizer Starts, Zaire backs up, Wimbush redshirts, Book 3rd string
2017: Kizer starts, Zaire opts to use his 5th season elsewhere(please not Ohio State), Wimbush backs up, Book 3rd string, Davis redshirts
2018: Kizer opts to forego his 5th season graduates and enters draft, Wimbush starts, Book backs up, Davis 3rd string, Jurkovec redshirts
2019: Wimbush starts, Book backs up, Davis moved to Slot WR and KR/PR, Jurkovec 3rd string but possibly 2nd string, some guy yet to be named redshirts
2020: Jurkovec wins starting QB competition, some guy is 2nd string, Davis is emergency 3rd string some guy is redshirting.
 
Bodizephax said:
At first I thought Malik was our best bet. And then I started thinking Kizer has all the tools to be a great qb this year. So what do I know.
I trust whoever Kelly picks at QB this year. Great competition leads to great success.
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Bodi

Perse says Kizer. Is there any doubt now it should be Malik?
 
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on that logic: bench Gehrig and insert Pipp!

With all due respect, I sense that your opinion is not unbiased!
 
NDAFArly said:
Even though I think Kizer is a better QB, I think Malik is better for this team this year.
Kizer has a strong arm, throws a deep ball, but not great at short throws. Also not a great runner or read option QB. And his deep threats are gone.
With this team, I think running the ball with our backs & QB, & throwing short to our TEs & huge WRs is our strength, which benefits Malik.

So even though Kizer probably gets the job, I think Malik is a better college QB for ND this year. I think the offense would be unstoppable wit him.
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Great point, Farley... We have absolutely no experience at WR this year (and since I'm beginning to think Robinson is gone) -- that clears all of our starters from last year... Although Kizer surprised me at times as a runner last year, it is clear Malik is the better running QB.

This is a tough one. I do think with all of those players going to the NFL we are not a final four team this year. Our o-line will need time to develop and our defense will need a year to understand BVGs D. But next year? I think we'll have the horses to make a big run. So what is better for us as a team? Losing Malik this year and giving Kizer more experience?

I don't know. Good discussion guys, thanks.
 
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WR has the most talent of any position on the team!

You guys sound like your singing the same tune you sang with EG!

I bet DK is every bit as good a runner as MZ. But, I cringe when the starting QB crosses the LOS!
And with the higher degree of passing threat that DK brings, the more it opens up the running attack.

Your argument fails.
 
perseverare said:
Kizer

ain't broke, don't fix it!

1st time in 6 years ND could utilize the area between hash's in the passing game.

And he can do everything the other 2 guys can do?

When did MZ become a sharp-shooter? Both have som accuracy issus.

and

more like Jurkovich - start developing a team offensive identity.
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Hmm... and Wimbush at 6'1" 216 (who projects to be the most talented of this group) is more like Kizer! Your argument fails.
 
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this forum is the only place I ever read that assessment.

I do think that Wim will have trouble seeing the center of the field. With both MZ and Wim the picket has to move.

Kelly has mentioned that MZ and DK have distanc d themselves from BW. Both MZ and DK can throw the ball adequately or better; passes do not have to go 80 yards in the air!

Ironically both DK and MZ possess the 'you can't beat me' attutude and that both have that attitude is the reason that the QB competition is tight. ND is the winner.

What BW is, is still a kid with 'potential' ; Jurkovich is on the horizon. He may be the best over all talent!
 
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perseverare said:
WR has the most talent of any position on the team!

You guys sound like your singing the same tune you sang with EG!

I bet DK is every bit as good a runner as MZ. But, I cringe when the starting QB crosses the LOS!
And with the higher degree of passing threat that DK brings, the more it opens up the running attack.

Your argument fails.
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WR may have the most talent, but, a lot it is UNPROVEN for the most part (and that is assuming that Robinson is not coming back). It will be interesting to see how that group develops, and who becomes the go-to guy.
 
well^
if the WR's fall flat, do you think that MZ will be effective when DC's do not have to respect the passing attack?
Has that ever worked?
 
It's not this forum saying that BW is the most talented of the three, it's the sports media, one in particular, who said that BW has the most potential out of the three. He's been to the work outs. None of us have. What source said that DK and MZ have distanced themselves from BW? Though experience alone would prove that to be true, I would like to read the exact comment from BK himself.
 
it was mentioned in the presser and reported by these sites.
That is why the decision to go with a RS year is the current plan.
Potential is just potential. We have seen DK on the field. He has been very very good. Two loses were clearly on the D.
I read on this forum a story where a teammate said EG was the greatest football player at any level that he has ever seen! It was an opinion.

I have not seen enough of Wim yet. I delay any opinion of greatness till he is in actual competition.
I offer this, if Josh Rosen was on the ND roster, he would be a starter. The truly great ones play, and they do it early.
 
Gotta love the list of QBs ND has right now. And no one is even mentioning Book who Stanford loves and who one writer called Tommy Rees with athleticism.. I know, I know...
 
^ yea, but we don't know who that is.

Clearly both MZ and DK are very good leaders and that w/o catastrophic calamitous disaster the QB position is not a problem for 16,17,18.

Now the DL on the other hand....:mad:
 
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based on sample size kizer is my choice. that said there really is an embarrassment of riches at the position.
 
stu4don said:
I know we've been over this... but I was thinking: wouldn't it be best if Malik was the man? If he has a stellar year he will go to the NFL and Kizer would stick with ND knowing the job is his for his senior year. Then Wimbush takes over the next two years...

In the end I trust Kelly and Stanford to put the best guy behind center but we all agree that Malik is a real leader with infinite enthusiasm... yet DK showed us a lot last year. If Dk wins the job, Malik will probably transfer and we'd have a very seasoned QB in 2017 in DK... Damn, this is a tough one!

A conundrum... but a nice one, right?
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It's a nice problem to have. Both are very good though I like MZ very very very slightly more
 
Heart wants Zaire to win out his attitude and leadership is impressive, but brain says Kizer is more experienced, tested, more trusted in downfield game.

Having said that, it think the QB that gels with new wrs will end up starting, and that truly is a toss up. Historically Kelly will need both this year so hopefully this is handled right. I'm sure as the season nears the players will know who wins out.

I do think the talk earlier in the thread about Kizer being a product of his tools is asinine. Zaire and Kizer had the same players and tools and its hard to picture Zaire having the same success as Kizer had last year through the air. Zaire is more dependent on the run game and his individual running. It's exciting when it is working but the UVA game is tough to watch.
 
I think Kizer wins it. He's the better qb and Zaire will transfer.

Something worth thinking about. If Kizer has an amazing year this year, is there any chance he leaves early for the draft? He would be eligible, correct?
 
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