Way to many negative plays

[FightingIrish44]

You make it sound like the game was in question. 😂 A completion didn't seal this game The defense sealed it with their dominant performance. IU had zero answers on offense because the ND defense shut them down period. The game was never in doubt.

As I stated in another comment, I was at the game and we could literally call the open receiver where RL was hesitant to throw to him or didn't see him until 2-3 after we saw it, and it wasn't just once, it was happening the entire game.

The game was in question. Indiana got back in that game. Obviously it was a long shot.

Whether or not the game was in question, it was still a nice play. That’s exactly what I’m talking about with people not being satisfied with Leonard until he makes the NFL hall of fame. “Yeah but this.” “Yeah but it wasn’t done when the game was within 14 points”.

He had a very nice game.

 

[NDinNJ]

The game was in question. Indiana got back in that game. Obviously it was a long shot.

Whether or not the game was in question, it was still a nice play. That’s exactly what I’m talking about with people not being satisfied with Leonard until he makes the NFL hall of fame. “Yeah but this.” “Yeah but it wasn’t done when the game was within 14 points”.

He had a very nice game.

The game was never in question except maybe the first series of the game. Stop embarrassing yourself.

As for Leonard, he has limitations and if you can't see it than that's on you.

 

[FightingIrish44]

The game was never in question except maybe the first series of the game. Stop embarrassing yourself.

As for Leonard, he has limitations and if you can't see it than that's on you.

Shows how little you know and disingenuous you are. I already acknowledged that it was a long shot but you ignored that.

I’ve never claimed that he doesn’t have limitations. I’m just tired of ignorant folks like yourself downplaying everything he’s done.

Case in point, you cited multiple times that you were at the game. Big deal. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be citing the fact that you were at the game.

 

[NDinNJ]

Shows how little you know and disingenuous you are. I already acknowledged that it was a long shot but you ignored that.

I’ve never claimed that he doesn’t have limitations. I’m just tired of ignorant folks like yourself downplaying everything he’s done.

Case in point, you cited multiple times that you were at the game. Big deal. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be citing the fact that you were at the game.

Shows how little you know, stating the game was in question when it never was period. Stop overplaying the last 3 minutes of the game like it was some sort of comeback by IU when it wasn't.

I'm not downplaying anything, I said he's played well. I stated my concerns if they go up against an elite defense like Georgia and they are put in long yardage situations, will Leonard be able to deliver that pass that's needed.

I stated that the defense is going to carry this team as far as it will go and the offense will need to do enough to win the game.

That's not being disingenuous, that's being realistic. Maybe you should stop looking through rose colored glasses and ignoring the offenses limitations.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Shows how little you know, stating the game was in question when it never was period. Stop overplaying the last 3 minutes of the game like it was some sort of comeback by IU when it wasn't.

I'm not downplaying anything, I said he's played well. I stated my concerns if they go up against an elite defense like Georgia and they are put in long yardage situations, will Leonard be able to deliver that pass that's needed.

I stated that the defense is going to carry this team as far as it will go and the offense will need to do enough to win the game.

That's not being disingenuous, that's being realistic. Maybe you should stop looking through rose colored glasses and ignoring the offenses limitations.

If Leonard doesn’t complete that pass, maybe ND only has 20 points. Indiana ended with 17. If they recover the last onside kick, they would’ve potentially had an opportunity to tie. The game was in doubt when Leonard completed that pass to Faison. It’s just that the odds were extremely slim.

What about the ND-Oklahoma State Fiesta bowl? Was that game never in doubt when ND held a 28-7 lead?

You seriously think this game was never in question? No way.

I’m not ignoring the offense’s limitations. I’m just not in favor of calling Leonard “serviceable” like you did.

 

[PHJIndy]

The only stat that matters is the scoreboard, and it was good, really good!
Go Irish, beat "Dogs!

 

[NDinNJ]

If Leonard doesn’t complete that pass, maybe ND only has 20 points. Indiana ended with 17. If they recover the last onside kick, they would’ve potentially had an opportunity to tie. The game was in doubt when Leonard completed that pass to Faison. It’s just that the odds were extremely slim.

What about the ND-Oklahoma State Fiesta bowl? Was that game never in doubt when ND held a 28-7 lead?

You seriously think this game was never in question? No way.

I’m not ignoring the offense’s limitations. I’m just not in favor of calling Leonard “serviceable” like you did.

Again with the what if's. None of it happened. I don't deal in "what if's". I deal in reality.

I can play the what if game too. What if ND recovered the first onside kick, Indiana would never had scored that 2nd TD and the game would have ended 27-11. We could do this all day. it's just dumb.

Even if Indiana recovered the 2nd onside kick, they were still 2 scores down at worst it would have ended 27-25. Again game was never in question period. Stop living in fantasy land.

The fiesta bowl vs oklahoma state was a half-time lead. ND wasn't leading 28-7 with 3 minutes left in the game. Do you not understand how the game works? I can't believe I have to even address this and explain it to you.

The game was never in question, and you seem to be the only person on the planet that believes it was.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Again with the what if's. None of it happened. I don't deal in "what if's". I deal in reality.

I can play the what if game too. What if ND recovered the first onside kick, Indiana would never had scored that 2nd TD and the game would have ended 27-11. We could do this all day. it's just dumb.

Even if Indiana recovered the 2nd onside kick, they were still 2 scores down at worst it would have ended 27-25. Again game was never in question period. Stop living in fantasy land.

The fiesta bowl vs oklahoma state was a half-time lead. ND wasn't leading 28-7 with 3 minutes left in the game. Do you not understand how the game works? I can't believe I have to even address this and explain it to you.

The game was never in question, and you seem to be the only person on the planet that believes it was.

You’re the one saying the game was over. I get to play the what if game because I’m not the one claiming the game was never in doubt. In order to demonstrate that the game was in doubt, it’s necessary to play the what if game. I’ve said multiple times that the odds were slim, but that’s not good enough for you.

I brought up the Oklahoma State game because you said, “The game was never in question except maybe the first series of the game”.

I’m going to move on from this conversation.

The game was never in question except maybe the first series of the game. Stop embarrassing yourself.

As for Leonard, he has limitations and if you can't see it than that's on you.

 

[Golson5]

I have nothing against Leonard, but the hype around him as a dual threat 1st round talent was way overhyped. He's been serviceable and helped the offense score enough to win games, but the defense has been carrying this team all year.

Defense is the strength of the team obviously. They would be the strength of any team

We aren't here without Leonard. Been very good this year

32 TDs low turnovers, gets us out of pressure and sacks.

Our OL is good, not great. And our wrs are okay, not great

 

[Golson5]

Tough to tell, a serviceable QB with this schedule and D would have the same record, perhaps undefeated. RL’s tenure will be judged by this last run and rightfully so

Nonsense

 

[NDinNJ]

You’re the one saying the game was over. I get to play the what if game because I’m not the one claiming the game was never in doubt. In order to demonstrate that the game was in doubt, it’s necessary to play the what if game. I’ve said multiple times that the odds were slim, but that’s not good enough for you.

I brought up the Oklahoma State game because you said, “The game was never in question except maybe the first series of the game”.

I’m going to move on from this conversation.

Again, it was 27-3 at the two minute warning. The game was over period.
Your what if's don't mean sh1t. Stop embarrassing yourself stating the game was still in question when it was not. It was over period. IU had zero chance of mounting a comeback.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Again, it was 27-3 at the two minute warning. The game was over period. Your what if's don't mean sh1t. Stop embarrassing yourself stating the game was still in question when it was not. It was over period. IU had zero chance of mounting a comeback.

Even with the 27-3 score, all IU needed was the 2 point conversion to make it a one score game (27-19). An onside kick recovered and a first down gave them a chance for a hail mary to cut the lead to two. A two point conversion ties. While very improbable, that’s not a zero chance.

The more relevant part of the conversation, since we were talking about Leonard and you said, “You make it sound like the game was in question”, is when Leonard threw that deep ball to Faison. At that point, the score was 20-3 and there was 6:15 remaining. That’s enough time to score 17 points, especially since they had a chance to score 24 points in a much shorter timeframe.

So you’re wrong on both accounts.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Even with the 27-3 score, all IU needed was the 2 point conversion to make it a one score game (27-19). An onside kick recovered and a first down gave them a chance for a hail mary to cut the lead to two. A two point conversion ties. While very improbable, that’s not a zero chance.

The more relevant part of the conversation, since we were talking about Leonard and you said, “You make it sound like the game was in question”, is when Leonard threw that deep ball to Faison. At that point, the score was 20-3 and there was 6:15 remaining. That’s enough time to score 17 points, especially since they had a chance to score 24 points in a much shorter timeframe.

So you’re wrong on both accounts.

no sane person thinks that at 27-3 with less than two minutes to go that the game is in question.
and ND had throttled Indiana the entire game up to that point
You are completely delusional

 

[FightingIrish44]

no sane person thinks that at 27-3 with less than two minutes to go that the game is in question.
and ND had throttled Indiana the entire game up to that point
You are completely delusional

Re-read my second paragraph. We’re not talking about me saying that the game wasn’t in question at 27-3. I don’t believe I ever stated that. We’re talking more about Leonard’s pass at 6:15 (20-3) and NDinNJ acting like the game was over within the first couple drives.

Your reading comprehension sucks or you’re just looking to be a prick. Pathetic.

 

[burmafrd1943]

 

[burmafrd1943]

Re-read my second paragraph. We’re not talking about me saying that the game wasn’t in question at 27-3. I don’t believe I ever stated that. We’re talking more about Leonard’s pass at 6:15 and NDinNJ acting like the game wasn’t over within the first couple drives.

Your reading comprehension sucks or you’re just looking to be a prick.

the only prick here is you. We dominated the game until the last two minutes. YOU are unable to grasp that reality

 

[FightingIrish44]

the only prick here is you. We dominated the game until the last two minutes. YOU are unable to grasp that reality

I never claimed that ND didn’t dominate the game. That wasn’t even up for discussion. Again, your reading comprehension sucks.

 

[burmafrd1943]

I never claimed that ND didn’t dominate the game. That wasn’t even up for discussion. Again, your reading comprehension sucks.

no you keep moving the goalposts and still claim the game was in doubt at any time

 

[FightingIrish44]

no you keep moving the goalposts and still claim the game was in doubt at any time

You’re the one moving goalposts. I never spoke about ND dominating the game (or not) and then you brought it up like it was relevant. Just stop. No need to insert yourself just so you can feel superior to strangers.

 

[sjb75]

You’re the one moving goalposts. I never spoke about ND dominating the game (or not) and then you brought it up like it was relevant. Just stop. No need to insert yourself just so you can feel superior to strangers.

I thought the Indiana defense played well overall. There was nothing dominant regarding the Notre Dame offense.

The defense? Dominant.