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This board would support Brian Kelly opting to play Joe Scmidt over Manti Te'o saying the coach knows best. Of course this board loves small white players as it makes them live their fantasy that they too could be out there.

Whether it's Kelly's inexplicable support of Tommy Rees, Austin Collinsworth, Cam McDaniel or Carlo Calabrese (all players who had obviously better players behind them that Kelly refused to sit) this board will support Kelly unfailingly in spite of unforced losses as this fantasy is stronger than winning major bowl games and national championships.

Of course ND has no advantages, resources, money, fan support, publicity, etc. therefore any good record ND has is solely due to Kelly/Van Gorder's superior coaching and not because they lead the nations' most rich, popular and powerful team that allows them to field a very talented team. However when we lose it's never due to coaching but rather due to our inferior position to get players as good as our opponent.

The fact that Bill Bellicheck has continued to win over a decade of picking near the bottom of the first round is irrelevant. After all ND has strong academics and having smart and disciplined players with talent is actually a liability that hurts the program vs helping it. Of course when Stanford does well with similar academics it's because they have better weather.

I'm a fanatical ND fan and hope Kelly/Van Gorder can make some adjustments and get us a playoff spot and national championship this year. However for six years Kelly has shown me and NFL GM's alike that he just totally doesn't get it. In addition he has a weak AD who doesn't get on his case or have tough conversations with him like a strong GM or owner in the NFL would do. Because of this we get more of the same every year and ask what could have been if he opted for better players (see above), assistants (see Diaco and Van Gorder), play calling, etc.
 
Quit with your BS about best players are playing and your infatuation with Joe Schmitt. Watch the game and its quite obvious that he doesn't belong out there. If he's the best we got(and hes not) thean we have major problems. If he is still in there for Stanford, watch them run right at him for 7-8 yards a pop.
You're truly a moron. You are asking for me to believe you know more than the whole coaching staff, and that BK doesn't play the best players. Any idea how laughable that sounds? Any idea at all. Or is BK simply lying when he says JS gives us the best chance to win. Is that it, he's lying?
 
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This board would support Brian Kelly opting to play Joe Scmidt over Manti Te'o saying the coach knows best. Of course this board loves small white players as it makes them live their fantasy that they too could be out there.

Whether it's Kelly's inexplicable support of Tommy Rees, Austin Collinsworth, Cam McDaniel or Carlo Calabrese (all players who had obviously better players behind them that Kelly refused to sit) this board will support Kelly unfailingly in spite of unforced losses as this fantasy is stronger than winning major bowl games and national championships.

Of course ND has no advantages, resources, money, fan support, publicity, etc. therefore any good record ND has is solely due to Kelly/Van Gorder's superior coaching and not because they lead the nations' most rich, popular and powerful team that allows them to field a very talented team. However when we lose it's never due to coaching but rather due to our inferior position to get players as good as our opponent.

The fact that Bill Bellicheck has continued to win over a decade of picking near the bottom of the first round is irrelevant. After all ND has strong academics and having smart and disciplined players with talent is actually a liability that hurts the program vs helping it. Of course when Stanford does well with similar academics it's because they have better weather.

I'm a fanatical ND fan and hope Kelly/Van Gorder can make some adjustments and get us a playoff spot and national championship this year. However for six years Kelly has shown me and NFL GM's alike that he just totally doesn't get it. In addition he has a weak AD who doesn't get on his case or have tough conversations with him like a strong GM or owner in the NFL would do. Because of this we get more of the same every year and ask what could have been if he opted for better players (see above), assistants (see Diaco and Van Gorder), play calling, etc.
just because you state that there were obviously better players than the ones you named certainly doesn't make that so.
 
This board would support Brian Kelly opting to play Joe Scmidt over Manti Te'o saying the coach knows best. Of course this board loves small white players as it makes them live their fantasy that they too could be out there.

Whether it's Kelly's inexplicable support of Tommy Rees, Austin Collinsworth, Cam McDaniel or Carlo Calabrese (all players who had obviously better players behind them that Kelly refused to sit) this board will support Kelly unfailingly in spite of unforced losses as this fantasy is stronger than winning major bowl games and national championships.

Of course ND has no advantages, resources, money, fan support, publicity, etc. therefore any good record ND has is solely due to Kelly/Van Gorder's superior coaching and not because they lead the nations' most rich, popular and powerful team that allows them to field a very talented team. However when we lose it's never due to coaching but rather due to our inferior position to get players as good as our opponent.

The fact that Bill Bellicheck has continued to win over a decade of picking near the bottom of the first round is irrelevant. After all ND has strong academics and having smart and disciplined players with talent is actually a liability that hurts the program vs helping it. Of course when Stanford does well with similar academics it's because they have better weather.

I'm a fanatical ND fan and hope Kelly/Van Gorder can make some adjustments and get us a playoff spot and national championship this year. However for six years Kelly has shown me and NFL GM's alike that he just totally doesn't get it. In addition he has a weak AD who doesn't get on his case or have tough conversations with him like a strong GM or owner in the NFL would do. Because of this we get more of the same every year and ask what could have been if he opted for better players (see above), assistants (see Diaco and Van Gorder), play calling, etc.

I think you're on the wrong site. I think you're looking for ndnation.com.
 
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So seriously, you think you know more than the coaches? Just answer that? And if you think someone should play in front of another player, please explain who, and why, and what basis you have for that assertion. Answer that first.

Secondly are you asking anyone to believe you know more, and that when BK says JS gives us the best chance to win, is he just lying? Does he prefer to lose? Why is it that you think you no more? It's laughable.

Your asking me to quit? What D1 or NFL team did you coach? How much recruiting have you done? How many practices have you attended.

Don't you think the coaches "put in e work and watch the vids". Any clue how stupid you sound?
Listen idiot, I have explained to you numerous times why Joe should not be in there. Morgan needs to be in there. Tired of the know more than coaches crap also, just watch the game and observe. Maybe your blind and can't see or just pretend you see what you want to see.
 
Listen idiot, I have explained to you numerous times why Joe should not be in there. Morgan needs to be in there. Tired of the know more than coaches crap also, just watch the game and observe. Maybe your blind and can't see or just pretend you see what you want to see.
your reasoning makes no sense. watching on tv is hardly qualifications to determine who should be playing. the knowing more than the coaches argument is not crap. this is these folks livelihood. you really think they are purposely doing things to jeapordize their team and their employment status ? again if your criteria is only based on what you see watching the game then you are 100% clueless on the workings of a major college football program.
 
Listen idiot, I have explained to you numerous times why Joe should not be in there. Morgan needs to be in there. Tired of the know more than coaches crap also, just watch the game and observe. Maybe your blind and can't see or just pretend you see what you want to see.
Morgan should be in there. Based on what? Do the coaches not view the game film? Do the coaches not grade out each position? Why do you suppose JS is in there? Because BK likes him, is that it? BK will jeopardize winning the game because why? He's blind? Give me a break. In that you sound like idiot!
 
morgan may have improved over last year but he was not ready for the position last year. and everyone on this board was saying we need js
 
This board would support Brian Kelly opting to play Joe Scmidt over Manti Te'o saying the coach knows best. Of course this board loves small white players as it makes them live their fantasy that they too could be out there.

Whether it's Kelly's inexplicable support of Tommy Rees, Austin Collinsworth, Cam McDaniel or Carlo Calabrese (all players who had obviously better players behind them that Kelly refused to sit) this board will support Kelly unfailingly in spite of unforced losses as this fantasy is stronger than winning major bowl games and national championships.

Of course ND has no advantages, resources, money, fan support, publicity, etc. therefore any good record ND has is solely due to Kelly/Van Gorder's superior coaching and not because they lead the nations' most rich, popular and powerful team that allows them to field a very talented team. However when we lose it's never due to coaching but rather due to our inferior position to get players as good as our opponent.

The fact that Bill Bellicheck has continued to win over a decade of picking near the bottom of the first round is irrelevant. After all ND has strong academics and having smart and disciplined players with talent is actually a liability that hurts the program vs helping it. Of course when Stanford does well with similar academics it's because they have better weather.

I'm a fanatical ND fan and hope Kelly/Van Gorder can make some adjustments and get us a playoff spot and national championship this year. However for six years Kelly has shown me and NFL GM's alike that he just totally doesn't get it. In addition he has a weak AD who doesn't get on his case or have tough conversations with him like a strong GM or owner in the NFL would do. Because of this we get more of the same every year and ask what could have been if he opted for better players (see above), assistants (see Diaco and Van Gorder), play calling, etc.[/QUOTDing Ding Ding Ding ... This might just be the single most ridiculous post I've read in all my time on this board.

Ding Ding Ding Ding ... This just might be the single most ridiculous post I've read in my time on this board.
 
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morgan may have improved over last year but he was not ready for the position last year. and everyone on this board was saying we need js
I understand fans not being happy with how joe Schmidt has played. I'm not. I'm sure Schmidt himself is not and I'm sure his coaches are not satisfied with his play either. that said when a coach makes a personnel change that is not injury related he has to be pretty damn certain that change will bring an improvement in performance at that position. that decision is based way more on than just what happens on Saturday.
 
stats are for losers. as long as they win why do you care if the score is 3-2 or 72-69 ? I think you're another in a long line of miserable fans who won't be satisfied with anything other than total domination in every phase of the game. good luck with that.
I am a fan who just looks for improvement and defense is definitely an area that can use some. I am also reasonable, and think that the performance does not correspond well to the capabilities of our personnel.

Some might call it nitpicking...I call it sh*tpicking.

If we can make a move to improve the program next season by upgrading the DC position then why not do it? Complacency is for losers.
 
stats are for losers. .

Off topic, but an absolutist statement that "stats are for losers" is silly. Players get recruited, awards are given, evaluations get made , etc very much based on stats. The folks doing the evaluations are not "losers" to use your term. I understand the context you are trying to use, but the statement is silly and unnecessary.
 
I understand fans not being happy with how joe Schmidt has played. I'm not. I'm sure Schmidt himself is not and I'm sure his coaches are not satisfied with his play either. that said when a coach makes a personnel change that is not injury related he has to be pretty damn certain that change will bring an improvement in performance at that position. that decision is based way more on than just what happens on Saturday.

This is going to be an eternal no win debate because fans have taken sides. This is the truth as said by Irish football insiders (Eric Hansen for one) who said that both BK and Joe are well aware of the situation. Apparently, Joe is grading out better than anyone during practice and that's why he is playing. I will go out on a limb by saying that no one is working harder to get better than Joe himself. Physical limitations are what they are. So the question is this. Would any of us start someone who is not better than Joe in practice? I really believe Joe would sit if there was someone better behind him.
 
I wonder how Kizer did at practices? He was a distant 3rd stringer till transfer and injury?
And Stanley sat on the bench for 2 years!
 
I'm just a fan and I don't have any answers. The problem is Joe isn't the only one on defense who is having problems. There are missed tackles all over the place and the staff's running theme all season has been missed assignments. Maybe it's a chemistry thing that keeps Joe in the starting line up. One thing for sure. BK isn't budging. ND is 70th in Run Defense and I just don't know if that is going to get it done. There are no Irish players anywhere near the national leaders in tackles and tackles for loss. Not sure if that even means anything. It is what it is. IMHO, the "D" is not going to improve anymore this season. We are nine games in. What's frustrating to fans ( I think) is that the defense has flashes of greatness and then complete breakdowns. Bad breakdowns.
 
Off topic, but an absolutist statement that "stats are for losers" is silly. Players get recruited, awards are given, evaluations get made , etc very much based on stats. The folks doing the evaluations are not "losers" to use your term. I understand the context you are trying to use, but the statement is silly and unnecessary.
I understand it's an old cliché but he was referring to team stats not individual ones. the only team stat that matters is the W column.
 
This is going to be an eternal no win debate because fans have taken sides. This is the truth as said by Irish football insiders (Eric Hansen for one) who said that both BK and Joe are well aware of the situation. Apparently, Joe is grading out better than anyone during practice and that's why he is playing. I will go out on a limb by saying that no one is working harder to get better than Joe himself. Physical limitations are what they are. So the question is this. Would any of us start someone who is not better than Joe in practice? I really believe Joe would sit if there was someone better behind him.
the folks best suited to make those decisions are the folks who are THERE. its what they get paid for and a lot. some here are like the parents at our Wednesday night booster meetings when we show the game film.
 
I'm just a fan and I don't have any answers. The problem is Joe isn't the only one on defense who is having problems. There are missed tackles all over the place and the staff's running theme all season has been missed assignments. Maybe it's a chemistry thing that keeps Joe in the starting line up. One thing for sure. BK isn't budging. ND is 70th in Run Defense and I just don't know if that is going to get it done. There are no Irish players anywhere near the national leaders in tackles and tackles for loss. Not sure if that even means anything. It is what it is. IMHO, the "D" is not going to improve anymore this season. We are nine games in. What's frustrating to fans ( I think) is that the defense has flashes of greatness and then complete breakdowns. Bad breakdowns.
we'd all like the irish to be perfect but that's not reasonable. every team has warts. I for one am choosing to enjoy the season and choose not to nitpick and complain about the teams deficiencies.
 
lol! Anything, ANYTHING to try and avoid giving Kelly credit, eh? What a joke.

Your ENTIRE posting narrative has been about how Kelly hasn't done anything, that the one year he got the team to the BCS title was all due to the defense, etc. Now that Kelly has a top 20 offense with his 3rd string QB and that the offense is really the sole reason this team has a shot against any team must be troubling for someone who wanted Charlie Weis and Paul Johnson as coach.

Coming into this game. ND was 17th in total offense and 46th in total defense. After today's game, ND will be 50th+ in total defense.

The offense is carrying the team and ND is winning despite the defense.


What are you talking about????

I'm giving the defense credit therefore I'm giving the DC credit therefore I'm giving coach Kelly credit.

You keep bringing up coach Weis you're almost as bad as Obama blaming Bush all the time. Please try living in the now. BTW I still see you left coach Patter son off the list.

This defense in not on par with Alabama's, but it not as bad as some are saying. That's what I've posted.

Please dispute that and twist the narrative!!!!

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Really? On what basis do you determine talent? Interested in what insight you have...
I use the eye test. you do know recruiting rankings are hardly objective and it's the most inexact science this side of the nfl draft. rankings are projections. they are not the end all in talent evaluation. some players peak early, others late.scheme is also part of the equation. to simply state that a team should perform at a certain level because some subjective websites rankings is quite frankly low hanging fruit. luke kuechly was one of the kids I mentored through the recruiting process. wanna know how many schools whiffed on him ?
 
I use the eye test. you do know recruiting rankings are hardly objective and it's the most inexact science this side of the nfl draft. rankings are projections. they are not the end all in talent evaluation. some players peak early, others late.scheme is also part of the equation. to simply state that a team should perform at a certain level because some subjective websites rankings is quite frankly low hanging fruit. luke kuechly was one of the kids I mentored through the recruiting process. wanna know how many schools whiffed on him ?
So you are saying your scouting abilities are superior to that of the experts in the field? Of course it is not 100% accurate but there is a general correlation of recruiting rankings to performance. Just look at the champions over the years and see how they have done.

I think a composite of all the sites is the BEST way to go. Is it perfect? No. But I trust their *paid* opinions over my own or some poster on Rivals. If players do no look talented, that must be a flaw in player development or talent recognition. Most programs would kill to recruit like us so to say that Notre Dame does not have the pieces to field a solid defense is just being a BVG apologist. Do you think Diaco had better parts to work with?

Also, I mentioned experience as being a key factor in performance. 10/11 starters are upperclassman. I see no logical reason the defense should not be good.
 
For those who want BVG gone, I would challenge you to at least name a coach who would do better and why? It does no good to fire a coah, if you don't hire a better one.
 
For those who want BVG gone, I would challenge you to at least name a coach who would do better and why? It does no good to fire a coah, if you don't hire a better one.
Anyone who could do better, which is not a huge demand. DCs of the following teams would all be worth considering:

-Boston College
-Wisconsin
-Boise State
-Air Force
-NC State
-Missouri
-San Diego State
-Iowa
-Louisville
-Penn State
-Utah State
-Northwestern
-Vanderbilt
-Minnesota
-Temple
-Pittsburgh
-Duke
-Illinois
-Wake Forest
-Virginia Tech
-BYU
-Washington
-Georgia Tech
-Southern Miss

All of these defenses have performed better in total defense with less, and sometimes MUCH less, talent. Not to say all of them would be viable candidates, but I am sure it could be narrowed down to some good choices using this as a starting point.
 
What are you talking about????

I'm giving the defense credit therefore I'm giving the DC credit therefore I'm giving coach Kelly credit.

You keep bringing up coach Weis you're almost as bad as Obama blaming Bush all the time. Please try living in the now. BTW I still see you left coach Patter son off the list.

This defense in not on par with Alabama's, but it not as bad as some are saying. That's what I've posted.

Please dispute that and twist the narrative!!!!

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Just hopeless. Even simple logic escapes you.
 
Anyone who could do better, which is not a huge demand. DCs of the following teams would all be worth considering:

-Boston College
-Wisconsin
-Boise State
-Air Force
-NC State
-Missouri
-San Diego State
-Iowa
-Louisville
-Penn State
-Utah State
-Northwestern
-Vanderbilt
-Minnesota
-Temple
-Pittsburgh
-Duke
-Illinois
-Wake Forest
-Virginia Tech
-BYU
-Washington
-Georgia Tech
-Southern Miss

All of these defenses have performed better in total defense with less, and sometimes MUCH less, talent. Not to say all of them would be viable candidates, but I am sure it could be narrowed down to some good choices using this as a starting point.
I'm not gonna say finding a better DC from one of those schools is wrong, as that's a big list. But it appears to me you picked the defenses who look the best on the stat page. What I would argue is that this is very arbitrary. Would their stats look as good if they played all of ND's oppents? I didn't even Florida or Alabama on your list, but I think we can agree those two schools have top notch defenses, despite not being at the top in terms of stats.
 
I'm not gonna say finding a better DC from one of those schools is wrong, as that's a big list. But it appears to me you picked the defenses who look the best on the stat page. What I would argue is that this is very arbitrary. Would their stats look as good if they played all of ND's oppents? I didn't even Florida or Alabama on your list, but I think we can agree those two schools have top notch defenses, despite not being at the top in terms of stats.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, we have not faced abnormally difficult offenses this year, so I consider that point largely moot.

As far as Florida, Bama, etc...I excluded schools that had equal or better talent, as a coordinator going from such a school to Notre Dame would be harder to pull off. I wanted to simply find teams that are doing better at maximizing performance with inferior talent. This is something that our defense has not done.

Our offensive players and coaches on the other hand have done a wonderful job.
 
So you think the teams that ARE ranked in the top 20 on defense have a better roster than us?

DE - Rochell **** (Upperclassman)
DE - Okwara *** (Upperclassman)
DT - Cage ***
DT - Day **** (Upperclassman)

OLB - Smith ***** (Upperclassman)
MLB - Schmidt N/A (Upperclassman)
OLB - Onwualu **** (Upperclassman)

CB - Russell **** (Upperclassman)
CB - Luke **** (Upperclassman)
S - Shumate **** (Upperclassman)
S - Redfield ***** (Upperclassman)

-7 Total **** or ***** players
-10 total upperclassman

Find me 20 programs with a better combination of talent and experience. This should be a top 20 defense EASILY. Even the 2012 defense did not have a much better personnel but performed at a much higher level.

Bottom line: the whole is inferior to the sum of the parts meaning BVG is not getting the most out of his guys.

"Even the 2012 defense did not have a much better personnel but performed at a much higher level." Not sure how you can compare the two, that 2012 team was stacked on both sides of the ball outside of QB and our secondary. I think we had more depth then at secondary and we have some talented kids now who were on that 2012 team, like Day, Russell, and Stanley to name a few. Who knows how Kiel would have turned out if he didn't transfer? That is 1 5 star player that was included in our recruiting stats, as I mentioned when I said we have been overrated the past 5 years, that never played for the team and of course there are others.

Regardless I will take back what I said and agree we could be a top 20 defense but I will not say we should "easily" be one like you think. I mean on paper these kids should be doing better but that is on paper and not real action. Things like getting pressure on the quarterback would make our defense a lot better but unfortunately it doesn't happen unless BVG blitzes 2-3 extra players. Once he does that then it leaves our average secondary out there and that is never good, especially when those 7 guys going after the QB still don't get there. I just don't see how you can blame all of that on the defensive coordinator? I saw someone mention the poor tackling and poor coverage's when blaming BVG which again is ignorant considering there are position coaches.

Hey whatever, I like BVG's pro style and think if we had better talent at DE and in the secondary we would "easily" be in the top 20 defenses and maybe top 10. Can you imagine if Max and Nyles panned out like everyone thought? Just those two guys would have made a huge difference, though I think Max has been playing better so maybe he is just a late bloomer. He still bites too much on play action but so does Russell and he is one of our best players overall. Like 3-4 weeks back I said every team that plays ND should have at least 1 trick play and a lot of play action because our secondary will always bite and it is hard to watch. Even if we could stuff the run it wouldn't make a difference and I have no idea why they keep doing it? Todd Lyght is our secondary coach, should we blame him? Again I don't think so because there is only so much he can do with the talent he is coaching.
 
As pointed out earlier in the thread, we have not faced abnormally difficult offenses this year, so I consider that point largely moot.

As far as Florida, Bama, etc...I excluded schools that had equal or better talent, as a coordinator going from such a school to Notre Dame would be harder to pull off. I wanted to simply find teams that are doing better at maximizing performance with inferior talent. This is something that our defense has not done.

Our offensive players and coaches on the other hand have done a wonderful job.
Maybe these coaches on your list do a better job at maximizing talent. I dunno as i don't watch those teams enough to know. However, I think the bigger problems on the defense are because of recruiting/lack of depth. ND has one true free safety on the roster and that's Redfield. Russell is a former running back recruit turned corner. Schmidt is a former walk on. Onwualu is a former wide receiver turned linebacker. The D-line basically plays 6 guys: Rochelle, Day, Cage, Okwara, Trumbetti, and Tillery(former o-lineman recruit), despite having a lot more bodies; Bonner, Taylor, Tiassum, Matuska, Blankenship, Hayes, Mokwuah, and Dew-Treadway to play.

With that said, there is a serious lack of depth and competition for some of thoae positions. Look at Jay Hayes for example, he's a 4 star recruit that burned a redshirt year last year and isn't even good enough to get playing time over a true freshman this year and is being redshirted in his sophomore year. ND is also cross training T. Hunter on defense, because obviously the coaches don't feel confident about the younger/back up guys.

You cannot blame BVG for the lack of recruits/depth the defense has, as he's only been there 2 years. The offense has a ridiculous amount of depth and talent compared to the defense.
 
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And ND lost Nile Sykes, Kolin Hill, Johnny Williams, and Bo Wallace to transfers this past off season. Maybe if we had those 4 guys, we'd be talking about something different.
 
I use the eye test. you do know recruiting rankings are hardly objective and it's the most inexact science this side of the nfl draft. rankings are projections. they are not the end all in talent evaluation. some players peak early, others late.scheme is also part of the equation. to simply state that a team should perform at a certain level because some subjective websites rankings is quite frankly low hanging fruit. luke kuechly was one of the kids I mentored through the recruiting process. wanna know how many schools whiffed on him ?
Yeah sure and I mentored Dick Butkus
 
However for six years Kelly has shown me and NFL GM's alike that he just totally doesn't get it. In addition he has a weak AD who doesn't get on his case or have tough conversations with him like a strong GM or owner in the NFL would do.

Maybe you should stick to following the NFL in which things are done more to your liking.
 
Maybe these coaches on your list do a better job at maximizing talent. I dunno as i don't watch those teams enough to know. However, I think the bigger problems on the defense are because of recruiting/lack of depth. ND has one true free safety on the roster and that's Redfield. Russell is a former running back recruit turned corner. Schmidt is a former walk on. Onwualu is a former wide receiver turned linebacker. The D-line basically plays 6 guys: Rochelle, Day, Cage, Okwara, Trumbetti, and Tillery(former o-lineman recruit), despite having a lot more bodies; Bonner, Taylor, Tiassum, Matuska, Blankenship, Hayes, Mokwuah, and Dew-Treadway to play.

With that said, there is a serious lack of depth and competition for some of thoae positions. Look at Jay Hayes for example, he's a 4 star recruit that burned a redshirt year last year and isn't even good enough to get playing time over a true freshman this year and is being redshirted in his sophomore year. ND is also cross training T. Hunter on defense, because obviously the coaches don't feel confident about the younger/back up guys.

You cannot blame BVG for the lack of recruits/depth the defense has, as he's only been there 2 years. The offense has a ridiculous amount of depth and talent compared to the defense.
I will never buy the recruiting excuse. Why? Because you cannot find me 20 other schools who have done a better job in that department. You can criticize our supposed lack of talent until you start comparing our situation with other schools and realize that most programs would kill to have the guys we pull in year after year.

Temple (outside of the strange game last week) has fielded a stronger defense this season. You mean to tell me they are more talented and deep than us? Gimme a break.
 
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