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Tyler James post on 2925 recruiting

Who said that ? You're obviously hating their success this year. All you do is bitch and moan.
That is the implication you are making like "hosting a playoff game" is some achievement.

All you do is apologize for incompetence.
 
I don't think you've ever described an ND class as anything less than very good to elite.

The Golson5 adjusted 1 to 5 class rating scale:

1-5

1 (very good class)
2 (great class)
3 (very great class)
4 (elite class)
5 (the most elite greatest class ever)
I call it like they are. Thats why we are sitting at 4 in the only thing that really matter, F+
 
The 25 class isn't as good as its ranking because we needed to fill 3 big position groups with a big influx of talent and we filled 1. Secondary we filled, we missed out big time at WR and we have numbers at DL but not much talent.
It's better than it's ranking because we got depth in every spot and didn't miss numbers wise anywhere. The talent at the top is really good and a bunch that are undervalued. Easily a top 12 class no doubt
 
Who's arguing ? No guarantees that's all. Of course he'll be in the league. It will be interesting to see if the new revenue sharing model will give some players a thought about staying and completing their eligibility. Maybe some love the college experience ? Even YOU don't know for certain and you supposedly know everything.
He's not coming back. We both know it. We can wager anything you want on it. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it
 
I call it like they are. Thats why we are sitting at 4 in the only thing that really matter, F+
Its ok to reference an objective ranking system non-sarcastically when you want to reinforce your point, nobody is going to make fun of you for it. i disagree with your point/perspective though.

You already know my stance on why ND is ranked in the top 5 in F+ (i believe its elite player development & scheme) but the talent on the roster is lacking.

It would be like having a top driver in motorsport driving a mediocre car. Yes the driver is good/producing (MF), but the potential is there for far greater if he can drive a better car (the talent).

edit/update: to clarify and expand on my point
 
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Its ok to reference an objective ranking system non-sarcastically when you want to reinforce your point i just don't agree with it though.

You already know my stance on why ND is ranked in the top 5 in F+ (i believe its elite player development, elite coaching, elite scheme) but the talent on the roster is lacking.
Talents not lacking

247 team ranking and F+ tells you it's not. Your answer is based on your idiotic opinion

9th in overall talent
5th in per player average
4th in F+

Last 2 classes were loaded with talent. Roster is stacked.
 
Talents not lacking

247 team ranking and F+ tells you it's not. Your answer is based on your idiotic opinion

9th in overall talent
5th in per player average
4th in F+

Last 2 classes were loaded with talent. Roster is stacked.
doubling down on your idiotic point doesn't make it anymore correct

you are cherry picking
 
I see Chase my Balls is back to spread his delusional logic. And insult people. Overall a good class. We have a lot of young talent on this roster. I wouldn't be surprised if the staff has heard from possible transfers already. Be nice to get a NG and a receiver. The offensive line is set. Irish are bringing in some elite young talent in the secondary. Let's see how the portal plays itself out.
 
We get it. ND writers need to put a spin on potentially damaging news. If you really examine his post, however, it’s pretty obvious that the 2025 class as a whole is going to be a huge disappointment, Unless ND intends to play the next few years without wide receivers or standout defensive linemen. And the answer is Marcus Freeman is being much more selective? Really? That’s the spin?
Huff -- Anthonie Knapp and Leonard Moore are on the phone. Trust in our coaches. We have top 100 players from last year who didn't play a down. Who do you trust? Coaches or guys who spend their time alone beating their computers?
 
"If I'm an elite or even a very good WR looking to show care my skills, ND's offense is not for me. That's the reality."

Been that way for the last 5-7 years (if not longer) -- ND has not shown the capability to get the ball downfield on a consistent basis (not like the OSU's, GA's, Bama's and other programs who throw the ball).
But, if I'm an elite or very good RB -- ND is the place to go. Our Offensive line will be the best in the country for the next three years!
 
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But, if I'm an elite or very good RB -- ND is the place to go. Our Offensive line will be the best in the country for the next three years!
ND has had one of the best olines in the country on paper and in productivity and in the NFL draft for much of the last 10 years. Yet elite RB prospects still chose trendier schools over Notre Dame every cycle.

My point: the limitations on the recruiting trail go beyond all explainable logic. There's something about ND institutionally that is just repulsing practically any and every high level prospect with options
 
And yet... Kyren Williams.... Audric Estime.... J Price... J Love... our RBs have never been our problem... (I agree about WR recruiting, but CJ and Dembrock are going to change that perception in 2025. Kid can really spin it.)
 
I really hope J Price sticks. Look at Logan Diggs -- a really good RB at ND who never surpassed his Sophomore ND stats at LSU or Ole Miss.

Price won't be the featured back, but he will get a ton of reps -- and will be a fresh RB when his draft time comes.
 
And yet... Kyren Williams.... Audric Estime.... J Price... J Love... our RBs have never been our problem... (I agree about WR recruiting, but CJ and Dembrock are going to change that perception in 2025. Kid can really spin it.)
I think the oline is creating the illusion that these RBs are better than they really are .. Kyren and J Love being the exception .. those guys could ball anywhere.
 
It's better than it's ranking because we got depth in every spot and didn't miss numbers wise anywhere. The talent at the top is really good and a bunch that are undervalued. Easily a top 12 class no doubt
The 25 class only works if we do better than we ever have in the portal at dline and continue/improve getting top portal wrs.

Our WR and DL talent is not great. I think Burgess is overrated on the DL (not a bad player) but not a top 50 that his ranking suggests.

At WR, Burress can be a good player, and then we have a safety, and a big project.
 
ND has had one of the best olines in the country on paper and in productivity and in the NFL draft for much of the last 10 years. Yet elite RB prospects still chose trendier schools over Notre Dame every cycle.

My point: the limitations on the recruiting trail go beyond all explainable logic. There's something about ND institutionally that is just repulsing practically any and every high level prospect with options
Love and Price are elite
 
I think the oline is creating the illusion that these RBs are better than they really are .. Kyren and J Love being the exception .. those guys could ball anywhere.
Price would start at almost every school in the country
 
The 25 class only works if we do better than we ever have in the portal at dline and continue/improve getting top portal wrs.

Our WR and DL talent is not great. I think Burgess is overrated on the DL (not a bad player) but not a top 50 that his ranking suggests.

At WR, Burress can be a good player, and then we have a safety, and a big project.
Our 25 works because it works. It's z really good class. Period. Is it elite like the 23 or 24 class but still damn good. Studs all over the place
 
It seems like we struck out this year at RB. We had two commits and dropped them both. And now we have Nolan James. I mentioned this badass sleeper RB from Louisiana who would have been an awesome pickup. But I guess he signed with Duke I think it was today. So we'll have to prioritize the position in '26. And there's always the portal!
Didn't Thurman Thomas want PT and CMF level with him like prolly not gonna get any touches next year.. he dinged with KU

If Gibraun comes back too 💯 it's gonna be hard to get carries..
 
Price was not an elite recruit

He got a lot better his senior year
Price is a red shirt sophomore or are we talking high school? Either way you take kids that you project can take the next step in college & Price gad those tools.
 
Price was not an elite recruit

He got a lot better his senior year
As a senior, he was elite. Maybe you didn't see it. But no doubt watching his Sr year to me that he was going to be a dude. I told you that then and I was right
 
If you look at the DE's we recruited this year the majority of the board will say its a down year or kids werent elite but if you watch their tape, they all have a body type/frame, motor, & attitude that fits into what Golden wants & you could see 1 or 2 sliding down to DT like Mills
 
Shit like this proves that you're an internet troll. Why come here and start trouble, anonymously like a little bitch?
lool @ me "coming here" .. bitch i live here .. this is my house .. what the fux you talkin about?
As a senior, he was elite. Maybe you didn't see it. But no doubt watching his Sr year to me that he was going to be a dude. I told you that then and I was right
You say this about everybody though. If the only time you comment on a recruit is to heap praise on them you are going to be batting 100% anytime a prospect produces above expectations

The facts are, we know the guys who've produced above expectation because they are front and center of the program killing it on Saturdays. But all of the 3 star and low 4 star guys that the services predictably got right who Notre Dame invested scholarships on who never amounted to anything and are stuck on the practice squad or just quietly disappeared from the program go unspoken about.
 
lool @ me "coming here" .. bitch i live here .. this is my house .. what the fux you talkin about?

You say this about everybody though. If the only time you comment on a recruit is to heap praise on them you are going to be batting 100% anytime a prospect produces above expectations

The facts are, we know the guys who've produced above expectation because they are front and center of the program killing it on Saturdays. But all of the 3 star and low 4 star guys that the services predictably got right who Notre Dame invested scholarships on who never amounted to anything and are stuck on the practice squad or just quietly disappeared from the program go unspoken about.
That's what you say when you are wrong. You say this about everyone blah blah blah.

No I say it about it the ones who are big time. And he was

Theres many players I don't say it about. You just hate that I hit higher on most of our guys than the recruiting services

I see they finally got Will Black rated appropriately. About 9 months late though
 
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Our 25 works because it works. It's z really good class. Period. Is it elite like the 23 or 24 class but still damn good. Studs all over the place
I agree it’s a very good class, with a few undervalued players that will surprise to the upside. But I also agree with Nasty that we did not get what is needed at receiver or interior DL, and I’ll be really surprised if those two positions are not the focus of our portal recruiting. In todays game, I don’t think you rate your recruiting class without rating the extent to which portal transfers compliment the class. I’d love to get one or two wr underclassmen from the portal, but that’s a big ask with our admission requirements.
 
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If you look at the DE's we recruited this year the majority of the board will say its a down year or kids werent elite but if you watch their tape, they all have a body type/frame, motor, & attitude that fits into what Golden wants & you could see 1 or 2 sliding down to DT like Mills
Burgess is an elite recruit, with a top pedigree, so no justification required. Hopefully he'll be great. And I think Husak is a sleeper! He looks great to me. The other two seem, meh. Reiff is one of them, but maybe he could be a DT. And then there's Gulfsted, or I can't remember his name exactly, also didn't wow me, glancing at his clips. But let's just say Burgess and Husak both become quality starters, then boom! We scored. We're in the money. And it would be a totally successful recruiting haul at DE.

So I think we did great. Thinking about the DE position, I'm just wondering about old boy who's now in the portal, and NOT medically retired. Aiden Gobaira. His HS film looks totally badass, and he looks like a future star. And as far as his injury situation goes, he blew out his knee, according to the reports, and so why should that be career ending? Maybe they could get him to come back, even though we don't need DEs, and are pretty stocked at the position. So maybe LSU could take a flyer on him!
 
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I agree it’s a very good class, with a few undervalued players that will surprise to the upside. But I also agree with Nasty that we did not get what is needed at receiver or interior DL, and I’ll be really surprised if those two positions are not the focus of our portal recruiting. In todays game, I don’t think you rate your recruiting class without rating the extent to which portal transfers compliment the class. I’d love to get one or two wr underclassmen from the portal, but that’s a big ask with our admission requirements.
Yes those are holes that we need to hit on the portal
 
I think the oline is creating the illusion that these RBs are better than they really are .. Kyren and J Love being the exception .. those guys could ball anywhere.
Our Offensive line didn't go to the pros with Kyren Williams, did it? Audric has some real hype in his rookie season with the Broncos (still dealing with his fumbling issue, but I predict great things.)
 
I agree it’s a very good class, with a few undervalued players that will surprise to the upside. But I also agree with Nasty that we did not get what is needed at receiver or interior DL, and I’ll be really surprised if those two positions are not the focus of our portal recruiting. In todays game, I don’t think you rate your recruiting class without rating the extent to which portal transfers compliment the class. I’d love to get one or two wr underclassmen from the portal, but that’s a big ask with our admission requirements.
Agree. I believe we will fill holes in the portal. Funny how WR seems to be the hardest to predict. Braylon James, Lorenzo Styles, Tobias Merriweather, Jordan Johnson were all 5* or very high 4* recruits.

Not one of them has done anything substantial before or after being at ND. I was surprised that highly touted Cam Williams didn't get on the field this year after watching Freshman Rico Flores and Greathouse get real time as Freshman the year before. NOT GIVING UP not him, I still expect great things but... you'd have to go back to Floyd for an ND receiver that lived up to the recruiting hype.

Maybe like kicker, the portal is the place to go for receivers to supplement ND recruits like Greathouse and Faison.
 
As a senior, he was elite. Maybe you didn't see it. But no doubt watching his Sr year to me that he was going to be a dude. I told you that then and I was right
Yes you were high on him before his senior year, it was not until his senior year film that he showed this potential and I came on board.

That hasn't been working well for the majority of our commits that look "regular" their Jr year, they still have looked that way their senior year. It's a list too long and why our interior dline will be significantly short on HS recruited talent next year.
 
"If I'm an elite or even a very good WR looking to show care my skills, ND's offense is not for me. That's the reality."

Been that way for the last 5-7 years (if not longer) -- ND has not shown the capability to get the ball downfield on a consistent basis (not like the OSU's, GA's, Bama's and other programs who throw the ball).
And we we managed to get the #10-28-22-6-5 receivers in the last five classes. Two top tens, nearly two top 5s. None worked out.
 
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