To the Men of Troy

[beachcardinal]

How bad was that UOJ defense? Who is your DC Beach? Any plans for a change? How is your def. recruiting going? Trojans will be top 5 next year but that defense needs to get better.

Defense was not good last night, but has been good overall. DC is Clancy Pendergast who has dome a good job for SC in the past as well s for the 49ers when they were good. Defensive recruiting needs to improve before signing day. We need defensive linemen. You are right we need to improve there.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yeah I was really surprised that the PSU QB made the same poor read two passes in a row at the end of the game......#22 did the same thing on the previous pass play but dropped the interception and then it was basically a replay where #22 just hung back and made the same play on the pass just deeper downfield.........I give PSU all the credit though for how they played and I wonder if the committee rethinks the true conference champion seeding next year after seeing the egg OSU laid against Clemson.

That was not a criticism.
Their offense has taken them along way obviously, but only needing a FG to win the urgency was a little premature IMO, but like I said it got them far thru the season

 

[stu4don]

Darnold would go #1 in this year's draft. Kid has it all...

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

How bad was that UOJ defense? Who is your DC Beach? Any plans for a change? How is your def. recruiting going? Trojans will be top 5 next year but that defense needs to get better.

The Defense actually didnt play as bad as the score indicated. They had a lot of trouble corralling McSorley for sure, and he created issues with his extension of plays, but Penn St got a lot of points off of blind luck and terrible officiating. One touchdown was clearly not a catch in bounds as the WR was bobbling the ball, but they didnt overturn the original call. One touchdown was complete luck as Marshall had perfect position on a deep ball, bats the ball away, and it deflects sideways into the Penn St WR hands. Terrible luck on that.

One drive should have ended in a FG when a stop was made on 3rd down no where near a 1st down, but the tackler's hand got the facemask on the tackle. One TD drive should have ended on a 3rd down that was spotted poorly after a WR bobbled the ball and lost 3 yards, and they gave them a 1st down like he never bobbled it. Another TD drive came from 3 yards out after an INT that was clearly caused by the DB slamming into JuJu Smith way early, popping the ball in the air for the INT.

Penn St scored 28 points in a 5:28 span of the game, mostly off of the above flukey plays. Once that little run was over, USC shut them down, including shutting them out in the 4th Quarter when it mattered. I think in 4 drives in the 4th quarter they had like 14 total yards. So yeah, the 49 points looks awful, but it wasnt really as bad as it seems on paper.

 

[NDSMC78]

The Defense actually didnt play as bad as the score indicated. They had a lot of trouble corralling McSorley for sure, and he created issues with his extension of plays, but Penn St got a lot of points off of blind luck and terrible officiating. One touchdown was clearly not a catch in bounds as the WR was bobbling the ball, but they didnt overturn the original call. One touchdown was complete luck as Marshall had perfect position on a deep ball, bats the ball away, and it deflects sideways into the Penn St WR hands. Terrible luck on that.

One drive should have ended in a FG when a stop was made on 3rd down no where near a 1st down, but the tackler's hand got the facemask on the tackle. One TD drive should have ended on a 3rd down that was spotted poorly after a WR bobbled the ball and lost 3 yards, and they gave them a 1st down like he never bobbled it. Another TD drive came from 3 yards out after an INT that was clearly caused by the DB slamming into JuJu Smith way early, popping the ball in the air for the INT.

Penn St scored 28 points in a 5:28 span of the game, mostly off of the above flukey plays. Once that little run was over, USC shut them down, including shutting them out in the 4th Quarter when it mattered. I think in 4 drives in the 4th quarter they had like 14 total yards. So yeah, the 49 points looks awful, but it wasnt really as bad as it seems on paper.

What a surprise that a southern cal fan would complain about blind luck and terrible officiating.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

What a surprise that a southern cal fan would complain about blind luck and terrible officiating.

Facts are facts. If you watched that game I dont know how you could come away thinking anything different. The Officiating was beyond terrible. They reviewed a play I have never seen reviewed or overturned in the history of football, which is the recovering of a football in a pile. This was in the 4th Quarter! And not only did they review that, they overturned a recovery where the USC player came away from the pile with the ball. They reviewed a Penn St touchdown where the ball was moving the whole time, even hitting the guys leg as he went out of bounds, but they still gave him a touchdown.

They extended a crucial Penn St drive on a personal foul late hit where the Safety jumped over McSorley on a slide and completely missed him. Never touched him at all, but they threw a flag. Would have been 3rd and 18, instead it was a 1st down that they later scored a TD on. The INT Darnold threw was because a Corner blasted JuJu early on a slant, popping the ball in the air. No call.

Epicly bad of officiating for sure. They still got the victory, but the game shouldnt have been that close honestly.

 

[cgvr]

What a surprise that a southern cal fan would complain about blind luck and terrible officiating.

Are you sh***** me? We have the whiniest coach in major sports... It's not even close.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Are you sh***** me? We have the whiniest coach in major sports... It's not even close.

That's not the point these SC cats talking crap about blind luck.
I can give you several games where blind luck has propelled SC to victory.
They were lucky ND ALLOWED them to back out of their original agreement.
Freacking SC can fall of the face of he earth and no one would even notice.

It was a great game fatty stop making it something it wasn't

 

[beachcardinal]

The Defense actually didnt play as bad as the score indicated. They had a lot of trouble corralling McSorley for sure, and he created issues with his extension of plays, but Penn St got a lot of points off of blind luck and terrible officiating. One touchdown was clearly not a catch in bounds as the WR was bobbling the ball, but they didnt overturn the original call. One touchdown was complete luck as Marshall had perfect position on a deep ball, bats the ball away, and it deflects sideways into the Penn St WR hands. Terrible luck on that.

One drive should have ended in a FG when a stop was made on 3rd down no where near a 1st down, but the tackler's hand got the facemask on the tackle. One TD drive should have ended on a 3rd down that was spotted poorly after a WR bobbled the ball and lost 3 yards, and they gave them a 1st down like he never bobbled it. Another TD drive came from 3 yards out after an INT that was clearly caused by the DB slamming into JuJu Smith way early, popping the ball in the air for the INT.

Penn St scored 28 points in a 5:28 span of the game, mostly off of the above flukey plays. Once that little run was over, USC shut them down, including shutting them out in the 4th Quarter when it mattered. I think in 4 drives in the 4th quarter they had like 14 total yards. So yeah, the 49 points looks awful, but it wasnt really as bad as it seems on paper.

Fatty knows tons more about football than I do. I would take hi position over mine. (generally taking anyone's position over mine might be a good call) but especially Fatty's. Dude even played CFB IIRC.

 

[beachcardinal]

That's not the point these SC cats talking crap about blind luck.
I can give you several games where blind luck has propelled SC to victory.
They were lucky ND ALLOWED them to back out of their original agreement.
Freacking SC can fall of the face of he earth and no one would even notice.

It was a great game fatty stop making it something it wasn't

I would love to hear about

That's not the point these SC cats talking crap about blind luck.
I can give you several games where blind luck has propelled SC to victory.
They were lucky ND ALLOWED them to back out of their original agreement.
Freacking SC can fall of the face of he earth and no one would even notice.

It was a great game fatty stop making it something it wasn't

Would love to hear about the blind luck games. Could you list a few?
Also about the backing out. Was there some 100 year agreement signed? IIRC the teams played at certain times traditionally. SC wanted to change the times, ND agreed. How is this backing out? Did ND back out of playing Michigan or did the teams decide to go a different way. You post on this a lot so maybe there was some sort of long term contract SC broke, but I am not aware of it.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I would love to hear about


Would love to hear about the blind luck games. Could you list a few?
Also about the backing out. Was there some 100 year agreement signed? IIRC the teams played at certain times traditionally. SC wanted to change the times, ND agreed. How is this backing out? Did ND back out of playing Michigan or did the teams decide to go a different way. You post on this a lot so maybe there was some sort of long term contract SC broke, but I am not aware of it.

Brother beach,

I would say 2005 definitely would fall under blind luck with the criteria fatty used
Michigan a shit bag because the read the writing on he wall with the Irish making progress.
SC on the other hand said we can't play in this cold in 54' I believe I will need to check for sure, but I'm in the field working now. But they blamed the last game lose in Nov against the Irish on the cold(so much for playing anyone anywhere anytime....You'll NEVER be able to use that statement! Call it gamesmanship, I call it chicken

Be sure I will get back with you on the other games so not to leave you dangling on tender hooks sometime this evening my friend

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

That's not the point these SC cats talking crap about blind luck.
I can give you several games where blind luck has propelled SC to victory.
They were lucky ND ALLOWED them to back out of their original agreement.
Freacking SC can fall of the face of he earth and no one would even notice.

It was a great game fatty stop making it something it wasn't

Not sure what your issue is when all I was pointing out was that the Defense didn't play as bad as the 49 points allowed made it look. The OP I quoted was asking if we were firing our DC, LOL. I didn't say the Defense was the '85 Bears out there, I just said they played better than the score reflected. Simple as that. I don't see how that makes the game to be something that it wasnt.

 

[Classic Irish]

What a surprise that a southern cal fan would complain about blind luck and terrible officiating.

Surprise? More like ironic.

 

[cgvr]

Not sure what your issue is when all I was pointing out was that the Defense didn't play as bad as the 49 points allowed made it look. The OP I quoted was asking if we were firing our DC, LOL. I didn't say the Defense was the '85 Bears out there, I just said they played better than the score reflected. Simple as that. I don't see how that makes the game to be something that it wasnt.

Has anyone figured out how Ronald Johnson dropped that pass in 2010?

 

[beachcardinal]

Brother beach,

I would say 2005 definitely would fall under blind luck with the criteria fatty used
Michigan a shit bag because the read the writing on he wall with the Irish making progress.
SC on the other hand said we can't play in this cold in 54' I believe I will need to check for sure, but I'm in the field working now. But they blamed the last game lose in Nov against the Irish on the cold(so much for playing anyone anywhere anytime....You'll NEVER be able to use that statement! Call it gamesmanship, I call it chicken

Be sure I will get back with you on the other games so not to leave you dangling on tender hooks sometime this evening my friend

Ok thanks

 

[Nocalirish]

Giving up 49 pts to Pst with a month to prepare is no fluke. If UOJ is going to win the PAC next season they will need a better DC.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Ok thanks

Where was I:

2014 SC v Stanford terrible officiating in that game mostly against Stanford

2014 AZ v SC AZ FG kicker misses 3 field goals

2011 SC v Oregon an offside makes a last second 37yd FG to a 42yd, and it sail wide right

1998 ND v SC gets to host ND the week after Jarious Jackson suffer an injury in the last minutes of an LSU game he didn't need to be in.

Now I'm sure you could counter these games as anything other than blind luck, but using fatties layout of blind luck these fit his rant aside from the 1998 game which was complete blind luck not to face the (9-2)Irish starting QB In place of a freshman with no game experience, and SC just barely win. If this isn't the definition of blind luck what is?

 

[NDSMC78]

Facts are facts. If you watched that game I dont know how you could come away thinking anything different. The Officiating was beyond terrible. They reviewed a play I have never seen reviewed or overturned in the history of football, which is the recovering of a football in a pile. This was in the 4th Quarter! And not only did they review that, they overturned a recovery where the USC player came away from the pile with the ball. They reviewed a Penn St touchdown where the ball was moving the whole time, even hitting the guys leg as he went out of bounds, but they still gave him a touchdown.

They extended a crucial Penn St drive on a personal foul late hit where the Safety jumped over McSorley on a slide and completely missed him. Never touched him at all, but they threw a flag. Would have been 3rd and 18, instead it was a 1st down that they later scored a TD on. The INT Darnold threw was because a Corner blasted JuJu early on a slant, popping the ball in the air. No call.

Epicly bad of officiating for sure. They still got the victory, but the game shouldnt have been that close honestly.

After the horrible officials' calls that went in favor of you guys and against ND in the 1978 and 1982 games, you should be embarrassed to EVER complain about officiating again. Have you no sense of decency?

 

[deadirishpoet]

Not sure what your issue is when all I was pointing out was that the Defense didn't play as bad as the 49 points allowed made it look. The OP I quoted was asking if we were firing our DC, LOL. I didn't say the Defense was the '85 Bears out there, I just said they played better than the score reflected. Simple as that. I don't see how that makes the game to be something that it wasnt.

"..........but Penn St got a lot of points off of blind luck and terrible officiating......."

Selling PSU short don't you think?
Let me guess Utah shouldn't of scored 27 pts?

 

[deadirishpoet]

After the horrible officials' calls that went in favor of you guys and against ND in the 1978 and 1982 games, you should be embarrassed to EVER complain about officiating again. Have you no sense of decency?

Exactly

 

[beachcardinal]

After the horrible officials' calls that went in favor of you guys and against ND in the 1978 and 1982 games, you should be embarrassed to EVER complain about officiating again. Have you no sense of decency?

You are talking about calls almost four decades ago????? Might be time to take a step back.

 

[Toby Smart]

Beach, I'm still upset about the 1964 game. I was 11 and playing in a CYO basketball game. During halftime of the game, my Dad came to our bench and broke the news. I wanted to call it a day right there and then.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You are talking about calls almost four decades ago????? Might be time to take a step back.

I was talking within the 5 yrs

 

[Classic Irish]

After the horrible officials' calls that went in favor of you guys and against ND in the 1978 and 1982 games, you should be embarrassed to EVER complain about officiating again. Have you no sense of decency?

You're talking to the guy who still thinks Pete Carroll did no wrong. I don't think the word "decency" is in his lexicon.

 

[TXNDFan88]

Mama going pro

 

[beachcardinal]

Mama going pro

Yes. He signed with an agent just after the Rose Bowl.

 

[beachcardinal]

Beach, I'm still upset about the 1964 game. I was 11 and playing in a CYO basketball game. During halftime of the game, my Dad came to our bench and broke the news. I wanted to call it a day right there and then.

Ok I get it.

 

[NDSMC78]

You are talking about calls almost four decades ago????? Might be time to take a step back.

What? Because time has passed, those are now good calls?

 

[beachcardinal]

What? Because time has passed, those are now good calls?

No because bad calls happen and this has nothing to do with the PSU game nor Fatty's character for posting. Seriously saying a person has no decency because he thought the RB calls were bad? And the reason he has no decency is because bad call were made 30 year ago.? That justifies an attack on a person? When one gets to that point IMO when needs to take a look at themselves.

 

[Nocalirish]

Yes. He signed with an agent just after the Rose Bowl.

Probably the same agent that drove bim back and forth from practice all year.

 

[beachcardinal]

Probably the same agent that drove bim back and forth from practice all year.

Have no idea what you are talking about but many players, for example former ND QB Jimmy Clausen (sp?) had agent advisors who where with then in school. In fact Jimmy's had his since High School. Not against NCAA rules unless you sign a contract or take money.

 

[Nocalirish]

Have no idea what you are talking about but many players, for example former ND QB Jimmy Clausen (sp?) had agent advisors who where with then in school. In fact Jimmy's had his since High School. Not against NCAA rules unless you sign a contract or take money.

UOJ player Dillon Baxter was suspended for taking rides to and from practice from a registered agent. Google it.

 

[beachcardinal]

UOJ player Dillon Baxter was suspended for taking rides to and from practice from a registered agent. Google it.

Don't need to. He took a ride from a student who, as it turns out, was a registered agent, in a golf-cart on campus. SC suspended him until it checked with the NCAA and were told not to worry.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Giving up 49 pts to Pst with a month to prepare is no fluke. If UOJ is going to win the PAC next season they will need a better DC.

Nocal. Our Dc is very good. But I would say the execution was off on some plays. The DL kept stopping barkley to the inside, but then Barkley would run around the end for 8 yards. Such a bad job of contain. I give them an A for stopping him at the line and getting penetration, but a d for contain. No the Dc's fault at all. And our dc did not put many men in the box because psu constantly throws deep. But that allowed barkley too escape to the outside on several plays. And sometimes it is not that the sc d was bad. It was that barkley and mcsorley were that good. Mcsorley kept a million plays alive with great movement in the pocket. And that run by barley was special. He is top talent. Two great players

But our DL did do an incredible job of getting pressure all night. But we could not get sacks. I could not understand why and then i watched the game again after recording it. Their OL was very good at disguising their holding throughout the game. They played with very good technique overall, but held quite a bit as usc has some true 5 star pass rushers in gustin and green. The holding coupled with mcsorley's great feet made it for a tough night on the defense.

And the officiating was pretty bad all night too. And they did have ton of fluke plays as well. USC did have the one fluke play in the 4th when darnold threw the ball up for grabs, but psu had that same luck all night. The refs missed a lot of holding calls on psu. Like about 8 times. There was clear holding by their OL on their corner end zone td in the first half. Mcsorley had so much time because our dl was held. Green was all over msorley on several plays, but was held. And there was holding on several other pass plays as well. The good defensive play by our cb marshall was total luck for them. They got crucial fumble back that sc recovered. They called a personal foul on a late hit on mcsorley where the defender barley even tough mscorley and was trying to actually avoid him. The 3rd down bobble ball play was obvious luck. Their int that lead to an easy td for them was 100 percent blatant pass interference. I watched it like 5 times. I could name more plays.

And in he 4th our dc brought some people down to the line of scrimmage to stop the run and called some decent bitzes. And we completely shut them down while ruining off 17 straight points. S when it counted our d really came through. I would not call it a great defensive performance, but it was much better than the 49 points indicated. Our Dc is very good, but I do have to give some credit to PSU. They played hard and physical. They played with good technique. They never gave up. Overall it was a great game.