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Our hopes of making the playoff are now slim to none. I did a quick check and 6/7 of the last 10 National Champs had a least one loss. Most of those teams won a conference championship game. I'd like another shot at Clemson -- or Florida State or whoever, bring 'em on...

We could keep USC and the Shamrock Series game on our schedule (for national recruiting.)

I'd be happy to drop Navy. (No disrespect, just tired of ACL injuries and hey, I'm not missing playing Mich or MSU this year.)

I think it is our only chance to get to the playoffs in the future. Going undefeated is a tough one given our schedule and I just don't see anyone giving a 11-1 team without a conference championship a shot...

Thoughts?

By the way, I'm a ND Grad who has always vehemently fought this idea --
 
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The conference thing has been beaten to death, but the issue of making the playoffs is more interesting. The problem is, you are sort of assuming all the conference champs will have 0/1 loss. Typically, that doesn't happen. Most of the time, at least one conference champion has 2 losses. Many times, there are multiple 2 loss teams. 2-loss teams probably aren't going to get in to the playoff, even if they are conference champions.
 
stu4don said:
Our hopes of making the playoff are now slim to none. I did a quick check and 6/7 of the last 10 National Champs had a least one loss. Most of those teams won a conference championship game. I'd like another shot at Clemson -- or Florida State or whoever, bring 'em on...

We could keep USC and the Shamrock Series game on our schedule (for national recruiting.)

I'd be happy to drop Navy. (No disrespect, just tired of ACL injuries and hey, I'm not missing playing Mich or MSU this year.)

I think it is our only chance to get to the playoffs in the future. Going undefeated is a tough one given our schedule and I just don't see anyone giving a 11-1 team without a conference championship a shot...

Thoughts?

By the way, I'm a ND Grad who has always vehemently fought this idea --
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Conference?

Maybe at some point, but certenly not the ACC.

If ND was to commit as a full member there will certainly better options regionally. Outdide that the ACC isn't bad.
 
NDFB has everything the school's other athletic programs don't have... to turn nose up to the ACC. Looking at how THE Ohio St. ,,, Miss... Ga... and others played Saturday,,, I would not count out ND going to the 4.
 
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You guys joined the ACC to help your other sports. You have a great football program but it is not deserving of a national contract with NBC. I admit the ACC as a football conference is a joke. Your program is no better than Clemson or FSU. Why not join in football and make the ACC better?
 
jwt4tigers said:
You guys joined the ACC to help your other sports. You have a great football program but it is not deserving of a national contract with NBC. I admit the ACC as a football conference is a joke. Your program is no better than Clemson or FSU. Why not join in football and make the ACC better?
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Because being an independent allows ND to play up the "us against the world" card and results in countless millions of yearly donations.
 
topdecktiger said:
The conference thing has been beaten to death, but the issue of making the playoffs is more interesting. The problem is, you are sort of assuming all the conference champs will have 0/1 loss. Typically, that doesn't happen. Most of the time, at least one conference champion has 2 losses. Many times, there are multiple 2 loss teams. 2-loss teams probably aren't going to get in to the playoff, even if they are conference champions.
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And sometimes there are undefeated major conference champs, who are put ahead of ALL one loss teams, even if they don't look all that hot (see last season).
 
It will be interesting to see what Jack does if ND goes 11-1, with a 2 point loss the only blemish, and gets left out of the 4. But what happens if the powers that be change the 4 to 8. They have to be LOVING the $$ that came in last year and as we all know it is about the $$.
 
Actually it is time to drop the ACC. They offer nothing to ND. Even if ND had beaten Clem it wouldnt have helped in the rankings because the ACC stinks as a conf and cant even get an undefeated team ranked in the top 4. ND would be better off adding Big 12 and SEC teams to the schedule.
 
"Actually it is time to drop the ACC. They offer nothing to ND."
tell that to the "Sweet Sixteen"
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jwt4tigers said:
You guys joined the ACC to help your other sports. You have a great football program but it is not deserving of a national contract with NBC. I admit the ACC as a football conference is a joke. Your program is no better than Clemson or FSU. Why not join in football and make the ACC better?
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Not deserving of an NBC contract? According to who? It's NBCs money, and they seem pretty happy.
 
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Nocalirish said:
Actually it is time to drop the ACC. They offer nothing to ND. Even if ND had beaten Clem it wouldnt have helped in the rankings because the ACC stinks as a conf and cant even get an undefeated team ranked in the top 4. ND would be better off adding Big 12 and SEC teams to the schedule.
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incorrect. see State, Florida (2013, 2014)
 
The best thing would be to move all sports out of the ACC.

Notre Dame is far better and too big to wallow in a poor conference. Independence forever!
 
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Your arrogance is noted. By all means leave the ACC . See how that helps your other sport programs besides football. You have a great football program but it's no better than Alabama,LSU,Florida State, Clemson, or Ohio State. All those teams are in conferences. No doubt the ACC is crap in football.
 
stu4don said:
Our hopes of making the playoff are now slim to none. I did a quick check and 6/7 of the last 10 National Champs had a least one loss. Most of those teams won a conference championship game. I'd like another shot at Clemson -- or Florida State or whoever, bring 'em on...

We could keep USC and the Shamrock Series game on our schedule (for national recruiting.)

I'd be happy to drop Navy. (No disrespect, just tired of ACL injuries and hey, I'm not missing playing Mich or MSU this year.)

I think it is our only chance to get to the playoffs in the future. Going undefeated is a tough one given our schedule and I just don't see anyone giving a 11-1 team without a conference championship a shot...

Thoughts?

By the way, I'm a ND Grad who has always vehemently fought this idea --
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You are exactly right.
 
stu4don said:
Our hopes of making the playoff are now slim to none. I did a quick check and 6/7 of the last 10 National Champs had a least one loss. Most of those teams won a conference championship game. I'd like another shot at Clemson -- or Florida State or whoever, bring 'em on...

We could keep USC and the Shamrock Series game on our schedule (for national recruiting.)

I'd be happy to drop Navy. (No disrespect, just tired of ACL injuries and hey, I'm not missing playing Mich or MSU this year.)

I think it is our only chance to get to the playoffs in the future. Going undefeated is a tough one given our schedule and I just don't see anyone giving a 11-1 team without a conference championship a shot...

Thoughts?

By the way, I'm a ND Grad who has always vehemently fought this idea --
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It would be better for us if there were 8 teams in the playoffs. Who knows what will happen this year? However, right now our biggest upcoming games are against teams currently ranked below us.... clemson dealt us a huge body blow.... They need to hold form. Plus, Stanford and southern cal need to finish real strong with losses to us. Right now we do not control our destiny.... It is out of our hands. We shouldn't join a conference, but should push for an 8 team playoff..... We better pummel Navy.....
 
Your arrogance is noted. By all means leave the ACC . See how that helps your other sport programs besides football. You have a great football program but it's no better than Alabama,LSU,Florida State, Clemson, or Ohio State. All those teams are in conferences. No doubt the ACC is crap in football.

Yep, and that's why it's going to be very hard for ND to be selected over teams tied into a conference with similar records even if they are more deserving. Keep in mind, many of those committee members are from P5 schools !
 
deadirishpoet said:
Conference?

Maybe at some point, but certenly not the ACC.

If ND was to commit as a full member there will certainly better options regionally. Outdide that the ACC isn't bad.
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Do you think Swarbrick engineered this whole ACC thing because he thinks we're eventually joining the Big 10 or the Big 12. Unless something changes, it will be the ACC.
 
twalsh said:
Then why does NBC keep renewing it over and over again?
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Because it is good deal for NBC. They pay about $8 million less per year than ESPN pays Texas for the Longhorn Network. LHN includes other Texas sports, but only 2-3 cupcake football games.
 
twalsh said:
Do you think Swarbrick engineered this whole ACC thing because he thinks we're eventually joining the Big 10 or the Big 12. Unless something changes, it will be the ACC.
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Other than football did need a conference and the ACC was accommodating. It's a good conference for Baseball and Basketball so that made sense.

So your comment very well could be.....I hope. The Big 10 makes the most sense, bit too much bad blood. Try he Big 12 I'd the next best thing IMO, but I think he was thinking short term and seeing how things play out.
 
NDSMC78 said:
Yuck.
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Who do you suggest? I mean they also have WVU, Kansas (basketball), K-State, the Oklahoma schools, Texas, TCU and Baylor, those other three aren't bad options and make for a credible schedule. Play 9 games a year and throw in USC, Navy, and someone else and you got a stacked schedule some years.
 
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Who do you suggest? I mean they also have WVU, Kansas (basketball), K-State, the Oklahoma schools, Texas, TCU and Baylor, those other three aren't bad options and make for a credible schedule. Play 9 games a year and throw in USC, Navy, and someone else and you got a stacked schedule some years.
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I suggest ND stay independent.
 
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While I have always preferred ND as an Indy. I do think it is time for change. Have said so many times. In the playoff selection it will be next to impossible for ND to consistently play as 12 game schedule that is capable of matching the strength of most othee school's 13 game game that includes a neutral site game at the end of the year against an extra top 25 team. And to top it off. ND has to be undefeated in that schedule. While everyone else has the chance to drop a game and still make it.

As for what the ACC offers. First it offers a home to every sport that isn't football curently. And that is working out well for basketball, lacrosse, and a couple of others. Even baseball, softball, and soccer got a little love last year mainly due to this.

For the football program specifically it opens the door to post season games that aren't the playoff. That is unless you guys prefer 8 win teams that end in the Pinstripe Bowl (and if you think that is bad. Look at what the other possibilities were that year.) Also ND did sign the ACC agreement stating if they left the conference affiliation or joined another conference before 2025 they would agree to the $50 million buy out that the rest of the ACC schools live under.

Long story short you can argue the idea all day. But at the end of it. It is almost impossible for ND with 12 games (and in years with any loss in any of those 12 games) to compete with schools that have 13 games including a conference championship on a neutral field against abother ranked opponent. While ND sits at home watching.
 
So, this came to me the other night and I thought I would share. Let's say ND and the ACC work out a deal that ND plays in the ACC championship game if they are: 1. in the top 10 at season's end; 2. ranked higher than both of the divisional champs from the ACC. ND could work out a sharing deal of the proceeds to be split throughout the ACC provided they win and make the playoffs.

Disclaimer: the ideas presented here do not reflect thoughts of the poster ;)
 
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Irish Grandeur said:
So, this came to me the other night and I thought I would share. Let's say ND and the ACC work out a deal that ND plays in the ACC championship game if they are: 1. in the top 10 at season's end; 2. ranked higher than at both of the divisional champs from the ACC. ND could work out a sharing deal of the proceeds to be split throughout the ACC provided they win and make the playoffs.

Disclaimer: the ideas presented here do not reflect thoughts of the poster ;)
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I wouldn't be a fan of that. Because that is stealing from the division Champs. They played their schedule and they deserve to play for that title.

Single biggest thing about being in a conference is understandin that the many is greater than the 1. Even through FSU rules the ACC most years they still have to play their schedule and win their games.
 
Irish Grandeur said:
So, this came to me the other night and I thought I would share. Let's say ND and the ACC work out a deal that ND plays in the ACC championship game if they are: 1. in the top 10 at season's end; 2. ranked higher than both of the divisional champs from the ACC. ND could work out a sharing deal of the proceeds to be split throughout the ACC provided they win and make the playoffs.

Disclaimer: the ideas presented here do not reflect thoughts of the poster ;)
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No. We are either in or we're not. No silliness that just has all the appearance of the ACC pandering to ND, which will backfire on a national scale.
 
Good talk guys. If it indeed goes to eight then I'd stay put. Or add a cupcake team at the beginning of the year. There's 13!
 
Irish Grandeur said:
So, this came to me the other night and I thought I would share. Let's say ND and the ACC work out a deal that ND plays in the ACC championship game if they are: 1. in the top 10 at season's end; 2. ranked higher than both of the divisional champs from the ACC. ND could work out a sharing deal of the proceeds to be split throughout the ACC provided they win and make the playoffs.

Disclaimer: the ideas presented here do not reflect thoughts of the poster ;)
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Silly. What benefit would that be to ND? ND would be ranked ahead of both in your scenario. Playing either team wouldn't help ND - they are already ranked ahead of them both. It wouldn't help and could only hurt ND should they lose. I don't see ND getting brownie points from other conference voters for beating a team that was ranked below them.

And joining the Big 12? The only P5 w/out a championship game? <smh>
 
Irish Grandeur said:
So, this came to me the other night and I thought I would share. Let's say ND and the ACC work out a deal that ND plays in the ACC championship game if they are: 1. in the top 10 at season's end; 2. ranked higher than both of the divisional champs from the ACC. ND could work out a sharing deal of the proceeds to be split throughout the ACC provided they win and make the playoffs.

Disclaimer: the ideas presented here do not reflect thoughts of the poster ;)
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Why would any ACC school / team stand for this? Two ACC teams in their championship game gives them a better chance of the entire payout being shared within the ACC.
 
The ACC is worthless. Clem may go undefeated and still not make the playoff. When does ND's deal end?
 
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