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I certainly am not one of those that defends Kelly at every turn, I have been critical of him when I think he deserves it and I have praised him when I think he deserves it.

IMO, this year Kelly has done his best job yet, no matter if we make the playoffs or not. People can point to 2012 and while that was a great year I don't think Kelly did nearly the job he has done this year. In 2012 100% of the success was attributable to the defense, the offense and the ST were garbage. This year it is much more of a balanced team. While the defense isn't great it certainly isn't horrific either. ST is good this year as well. He has simplified the offense and I think we are seeing the benefits.
 
Agree. Consider any workman trying to build something, he needs the proper tools. In this case, offensively, Kizer is the proper tool for building. This tool is used to provide the leadership, athleticism and character that has not previously been available to Kelly. Hopefully together they make each other better!
 
perseverare said:
Agree. Consider any workman trying to build something, he needs the proper tools. In this case, offensively, Kizer is the proper tool for building. This tool is used to provide the leadership, athleticism and character that has not previously been available to Kelly. Hopefully together they make each other better!
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I think Kizer has been phenomenal but I think what has allowed him to be so great is that Kelly has simplified the offense. We don't see Kizer having to adjust 1000 things before the snap.

IMO, if Kelly had not changed the offense I think we would be seeing Kizer struggle like all the QB's before him. I give props to Kelly for self-evaluating his offense and making the necessary changes.
 
Did we have any relevant injuries in 2012? I know most of our main players were healthy all year. The fact we have overcome not only the number of injuries, but the positions at which they've occurred is a testament to the fact that Kelly is now building a program, not a team that will be good and then have to rebuild.
 
I don't think many sports fans outside of ND realize the magnitude of the injury situation this season. BK has a former 3rd string QB daring to perform like he's a 5th year Senior and a rookie former 3rd string RB who replaced an injured first year RB who replaced the starter, and all have performed at an unbelievable rate. That's all on the staff and the players themselves. Talk about the RKG. I am proud of everyone connected with the program. Even the stadium ushers!
 
Have to give Kelly credit.........in recent years and losses he has has looked at what others are doing (Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Shaw, Petrino, Graham) and has changed his offensive scheme. In all of CFB in order to survive change and evolution is mandatory.
 
Duo said:
Have to give Kelly credit.........in recent years and losses he has has looked at what others are doing (Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Shaw, Petrino, Graham) and has changed his offensive scheme. In all of CFB in order to survive change and evolution is mandatory.
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Another stupid, backhanded compliment comment from the resident rival idiot.
 
Java65 said:
I certainly am not one of those that defends Kelly at every turn, I have been critical of him when I think he deserves it and I have praised him when I think he deserves it.

IMO, this year Kelly has done his best job yet, no matter if we make the playoffs or not. People can point to 2012 and while that was a great year I don't think Kelly did nearly the job he has done this year. In 2012 100% of the success was attributable to the defense, the offense and the ST were garbage. This year it is much more of a balanced team. While the defense isn't great it certainly isn't horrific either. ST is good this year as well. He has simplified the offense and I think we are seeing the benefits.
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I couldn't agree more
 
Duo said:
Have to give Kelly credit.........in recent years and losses he has has looked at what others are doing (Saban, Meyer, Fisher, Shaw, Petrino, Graham) and has changed his offensive scheme. In all of CFB in order to survive change and evolution is mandatory.
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What has happened to the Georgia Tech program this season. They were never able to recover from the spanking they got from the Irish. Refresh our memories here. What were you saying about Georgia Tech at the time and ND's chances against the Jackets? Please humor us with specifics.
 
i cannot wait to see if the Irish win out or lose to stanford If we win out then the blame game will happen if lose in the bowl or playoff matches. If we lose anywhere the usual suspect will emerge to say kelly sucks etc.
 
java said: "IMO, if Kelly had not changed the offense I think we would be seeing Kizer struggle like all the QB's before him..."

give credit to Kizer and Sanford also! My best guess is if no Kizer, you never post this thread! Kizer has the full playbook at his disposal; ND is utilizing the full width of the field now. I attribute that to the intro of Sanford and the better mid-field vision ability of a taller QB. These are definate factors. I truly believe Kizer could run the same play as EG and we would not even recognize it as the same play. No Kizer: no thread.
 
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Zonair...we can just resurrect the posts after the Clemson loss, as most of the same individuals will be posting the same Kelly is to blame opinions, which is there right of course. It would be entertaining if someone put together a chronological listing of posts predicting doom and gloom when Alford et al left, blaming Kelly for everything from inability to attract good assistants to being on the way out with Jack hiring his eventual replacement, etc... Not only has Kelly coached and held the team together through numerous critical injuries, but he has assembled a damn talented group of assistant coaches and we are seeing the results of this. Yes, his best year given all that has transpired.
 
schadenfreude said:
Could be. Depends on your definition. In 2012, you could argue that Kelly did more with less.
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No, I'd say Diaco did more with, well a lot. Like I said that offense and ST were garbage but the defense was unbelievable.
 
I think a lot of us forum dwellers have a tendency to look at the Notre Dame coach (Ty, Kelly, and Charlie) in a fish bowl and as good as their last couple of games vs. as the quality of a program as a whole under their leadership. Time gives us perspective. Ty was awful. Charlie recruited top offensive players but could not develop 2 and 3 star guys to their potential and had no identity on defense. Kelly has done an amazing job of filling the program with talent and with developing depth that is ready to play at any time. Yes we still have our forum issues on game day decisions (playcalls, lack of adjustment, sideline blowups, and most recently Schmidt's playing time), but Kelly's overall job performance at Notre Dame has been stellar. Graduation, dealing with transfers and injuries, the stress of the job, the boosters, etc. Kelly is our guy and I for one feel like his longevity and time at Notre Dame has earned some goodwill from the fans. The best quality I see in Brian Kelly is that he sees the deficiencies and deals with them and has an attitude of continual improvement.
***No that doesn't mean that Schmidt will be benched. Im confident the 2nd winningest active coach in the country knows that if he has someone better on the bench he would play them.
 
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No, I'd say Diaco did more with, well a lot. Like I said that offense and ST were garbage but the defense was unbelievable.
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I loved the 2012 defense, and I am sure that Brian Kelly did too. At the end of the year though I think it was recognized that pulling in players like Stephon Tuitt, Louis Nix, etc on a regular basis in order to run that 3-4 defense at a high level was going to be much more difficult then bringing in athletes of multiple sizes and shapes and playing a 4-3 defense. Changing schemes allows ND to cast a larger net and remember we are only in year two of the VG system.
 
perseverare said:
java said: "IMO, if Kelly had not changed the offense I think we would be seeing Kizer struggle like all the QB's before him..."

give credit to Kizer and Sanford also! My best guess is if no Kizer, you never post this thread! Kizer has the full playbook at his disposal; ND is utilizing the full width of the field now. I attribute that to the intro of Sanford and the better mid-field vision ability of a taller QB. These are definate factors. I truly believe Kizer could run the same play as EG and we would not even recognize it as the same play. No Kizer: no thread.
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Maybe, but I tend to think we'd be exactly where we are right now with Zaire at QB also. I guess it's the chicken or the egg debate.
 
graceh90 said:
He has 2 national coach of the year awards that would suggest otherwise. Possible third in line this year
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No offense but Coach of the year mean's very little.. sort of like the Heisman. Those people vote on a coaches record, they don't see every game of every coach and know what goes on during the year.
 
Java65 said:
No offense but Coach of the year mean's very little.. sort of like the Heisman. Those people vote on a coaches record, they don't see every game of every coach and know what goes on during the year.
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No offense, but I think they probably mean more than an individual anonymous internet poster's opinion
 
Java65 said:
No offense but Coach of the year mean's very little.. sort of like the Heisman. Those people vote on a coaches record, they don't see every game of every coach and know what goes on during the year.
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..........65

Re: "Coach of the Year" and the "Heisman" mean "very Little".

Hummmm.........let's see.....A.) the team you root for has never won one of these awards or B.) you're one of those conspiracy theorists that believes all those awards are bought and paid for?

Hummmmm.....I wonder...........if your Dad or son had won one of those awards would you be making the same posts then?
 
Java65 said:
No offense but Coach of the year mean's very little.. sort of like the Heisman. Those people vote on a coaches record, they don't see every game of every coach and know what goes on during the year.
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I would disagree. If your team wins coach of the year, they have had a excellent year so I would assume the head coach did a great job.
 
francade said:
Another stupid, backhanded compliment comment from the resident rival idiot.
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Are you even willing to admit that Kelly's offensive scheme has evolved or changed in recent years? If so, what do you think brought about those changes?

And, do you think BK ever takes a look at what other coaches are doing? And do you think he has paid any attention to the coaches that defeated him? ???
 
irish jack said:
What has happened to the Georgia Tech program this season. They were never able to recover from the spanking they got from the Irish. Refresh our memories here. What were you saying about Georgia Tech at the time and ND's chances against the Jackets? Please humor us with specifics.
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Duo my man. You can run but you can't hide.
 
Duo said:
Are you even willing to admit that Kelly's offensive scheme has evolved or changed in recent years? If so, what do you think brought about those changes?

And, do you think BK ever takes a look at what other coaches are doing? And do you think he has paid any attention to the coaches that defeated him? ???
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Duo, your schtick is old & tired. Say things somewhat indirectly that prop up ur team & bring down ND. I'm tired of calling them out. Please stop the incessant, obsession you have w/ the ND program. Like I said, it's tiring.
 
I agree. It's his best season. Gone are the days of burning time outs because the offense couldn't get lined up fast enough. ND is actually returning punts. They can actually pick up the occasional 3rd and 1 and have done a good job over all on 3rd downs. Both on offense and defense.
 
francade said:
Duo, your schtick is old & tired. Say things somewhat indirectly that prop up ur team & bring down ND. I'm tired of calling them out. Please stop the incessant, obsession you have w/ the ND program. Like I said, it's tiring.
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Kelly's scheme has changed in recent years. It has improved. Things change. Even Mark May. LOL
 
Duo said:
..........65

Re: "Coach of the Year" and the "Heisman" mean "very Little".

Hummmm.........let's see.....A.) the team you root for has never won one of these awards or B.) you're one of those conspiracy theorists that believes all those awards are bought and paid for?

Hummmmm.....I wonder...........if your Dad or son had won one of those awards would you be making the same posts then?
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I don't think it's bought, I just think it's a popularity contest and in no way indicates who the best player in CFB is. I stopped believing the Heisman went to the best player when Wuerffel won it in '96. Orlando Pace was by far the best player in CFB and probably the best CFB OL I have ever seen.

The Heisman goes to the most popular QB, if none exists then the most popular RB.
 
Orlando Pace? Why, because he was huge? That doesn't make him the best player in the game. Sorry to burst your bubble. Using your logic, Charlie Weis was the best coach in ND history.
 
john0gaunt said:
Orlando Pace? Why, because he was huge? That doesn't make him the best player in the game. Sorry to burst your bubble. Using your logic, Charlie Weis was the best coach in ND history.
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Yes, because he's the only big guy ever to play football. He was the best because he was. Second player ever (any position) to start day 1 as a true Fr. for O$U. 2 time AA. 2 time Lombardi winner (only person to do so). SI all-century 1st team OT. Selected 1st overall in 97 draft, first OL selected first since 1968.

Pace was (and that's fact not opinion) one of the best OL to ever play CFB and he was the best player that year as evidenced by his first overall pick. Just because you don't know that does not make it incorrect.
 
I knew all that very well and I am very familiar with Pace. His draft status means nothing in the Heisman ballot. In your words, just because you don't know that does not make it incorrect.

Second player to start as true freshman? What are you talking about? My buddy did the same at ND and so did Jaylon Smith. Oh, for OSU. Who gives a rat's a** about OSU?
 
Telx1 said:
Zonair...we can just resurrect the posts after the Clemson loss, as most of the same individuals will be posting the same Kelly is to blame opinions, which is there right of course. It would be entertaining if someone put together a chronological listing of posts predicting doom and gloom when Alford et al left, blaming Kelly for everything from inability to attract good assistants to being on the way out with Jack hiring his eventual replacement, etc... Not only has Kelly coached and held the team together through numerous critical injuries, but he has assembled a damn talented group of assistant coaches and we are seeing the results of this. Yes, his best year given all that has transpired.
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Tex - I think I know to whom you might be referring

Would you like me to assemble posts from purse 26 K for you ?

Like - Kelly is despicable? re benching Crist

Kelly coaches fumbling ? After Clemson

Hopefully Jack S hired Sanford to replace Kelly - after coaching changes in January

Coaching for Kelly is a dead end career wise - January

Hopefully ND will will move up the retirement age for Kelly -- September 2015

Am I getting warm Tex ?

I believe the word you might be looking for Tex is character of which that fool has none - ZERO !!!!
 
Kellyhero... nice list but only the tip of the iceberg. Yes, Perse posted the ones you listed, but there are MANY more from any number of folks. Some are simply anti Kelly and will never change. Others swing back and forth between wins and loses. Some get worried and negative over recruiting halfway through the season, or fixate on a position of weakness and declare he can't recruit that position, etc... Some suggest he has plans to leave and could care less about the state of the program when he does, and on it goes. Not a Kelly lover as he has made poor in game decisions, and his sideline demeanor early on bugged the hell out of me. I think he has grown into the position nicely, and he has developed a great program, and I appreciate how difficult this has been with all the injuries and student suspensions, etc...
 
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