The SEC Couldnt Handle The Grind of a ND Season

[banmate6]

You think Mich is in same tier as Bama and UGA ?

No. But I think MI is in a higher tier than ND. They're defending champion and decent enough. I don't think they have the deeper issues that ND have with MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL.

I saw MI lose to a decent WA team yesterday. QBs are not ideal, although Tuttle had them moving yesterday at times. But still a decent offensive, getting better. MI also faced TX...very decent schedule.

I lump in TX, AL, GA, and OSU as tier 1...maybe MI is in that tier 2, not that I worked this all out. I like Oregon too.

 

[Golson5]

No. But I think MI is in a higher tier than ND. They're defending champion and decent enough. I don't think they have the deeper issues that ND have with MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL.

I saw MI lose to a decent WA team yesterday. QBs are not ideal, although Tuttle had them moving yesterday at times. But still a decent offensive, getting better. MI also faced TX...very decent schedule.

I lump in TX, AL, GA, and OSU as tier 1...maybe MI is in that tier 2, not that I worked this all out. I like Oregon too.

We are a better team than Michigan. They will end the year with 4 losses. Maybe 5

 

[banmate6]

We are a better team than Michigan. They will end the year with 4 losses. Maybe 5

Maybe. As of today, I don't see it. MI can power run decently. Decent D.

They need to settle as well on the QB situation.

ND has deeper offensive issues. Again, I openly admit I am no Xs and Os expert...but no way for me is ND better offensively than MI: MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL are not a minor tweak or two from being consistent.

Let's see. Lots of games. I'll hope for the best that ND runs the table and offers a compelling challenge for the selection committee.

 

[Golson5]

Maybe. As of today, I don't see it. MI can power run decently. Decent D.

They need to settle as well on the QB situation.

ND has deeper offensive issues. Again, I openly admit I am no Xs and Os expert...but no way for me is ND better offensively than MI: MF, Denbrock, RL, and the OL are not a minor tweak or two from being consistent.

Let's see. Lots of games. I'll hope for the best that ND runs the table and offers a compelling challenge for the selection committee.

Michigan QB is awful. Their offense is awful

The most points Michigan has scored this season in 6 games is 30 points.

I think they have much deeper issues that won't be fixed this season

They will lose 4 to 5 games this year

 

[banmate6]

Michigan QB is awful. Their offense is awful

The most points Michigan has scored this season in 6 games is 30 points.

I think they have much deeper issues that won't be fixed this season

They will lose 4 to 5 games this year

We can agree to disagree.

Harbaugh left them in good shape...I still see a very good team with lots of potential.

It comes down to the coaching transition with Moore...who is in my book a few tweaks away from getting it right.

We will see...the verdict is out, which is a good thing to say about any team.

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Tennessee eh? Put up 0 points at half vs Arkansas I believe, and lost the game. Our strength is pass defense. We would match up well with Tennessee. Alabama and Georgia would be a problem, of course.

Fair post. I agree

 

[tbonesays]

Tennessee eh? Put up 0 points at half vs Arkansas I believe, and lost the game. Our strength is pass defense. We would match up well with Tennessee. Alabama and Georgia would be a problem, of course.

Tenn was lucky to only be down 3-0 at the half. Arky was really dominating them.

Otherwise; conference game, on the road, at night, upsets are expected. Maybe there will be more of them with

 

[Irish_inPSU]

Easy there cowboy. Right now, I believe there are at least 5 SEC teams that would beat us and a couple of them would flat out embarrass us. To be honest, I wouldn't want to play TA&M again either.

 

[Golson5]

Easy there cowboy. Right now, I believe there are at least 5 SEC teams that would beat us and a couple of them would flat out embarrass us. To be honest, I wouldn't want to play TA&M again either.

Nah

 

[raulduke_007]

Easy there cowboy. Right now, I believe there are at least 5 SEC teams that would beat us and a couple of them would flat out embarrass us. To be honest, I wouldn't want to play TA&M again either.

You are right i mean ND is no where near as good as say a team like Kentucky that had Georgia on the ropes then went into top 10 Ole Miss and beat them. Or even a .500 team like Arkansas that beat Tenn. Even a team like Vandy that lost to GA St just had better athletes than us to dominate Bama. And you dont get me started on A&M we caught them at the perfect time. If it hadnt been a night game with Gameday there and the biggest game of the week it would have been a different story. Even LSU that lost to USC & was gifted the S Car game even that team we would lose by double digits.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You are right i mean ND is no where near as good as say a team like Kentucky that had Georgia on the ropes then went into top 10 Ole Miss and beat them. Or even a .500 team like Arkansas that beat Tenn. Even a team like Vandy that lost to GA St just had better athletes than us to dominate Bama. And you dont get me started on A&M we caught them at the perfect time. If it hadnt been a night game with Gameday there and the biggest game of the week it would have been a different story. Even LSU that lost to USC & was gifted the S Car game even that team we would lose by double digits.

Your point is well taken, but ND vs Vanderbilt at Vandy? I don't know about that. There would be no reason to think that would be some walkover win for ND. Vandy's been good all year, even though they lost to Georgia St. We lost to NIU. I would call that a pick 'em game at this moment in time. Of course you as an 'ultra' style fan would take that as an asinine prediction to make and ND of course would easily beat Vandy and you'd start itemizing all the talking points and logical ploys as to why Vandy would never be accorded that kind of respect. Because it's all about arguing for you. Winning games and earning athletic glory in the rhetorical and forensic sphere. We beat A&M, they're currently undefeated in the SEC, all of this year's SEC top dawgs are either straight getting their ass kicked, getting upset and even humiliated, or almost losing to distinctly lesser SEC foes. Ergo, ND are SEC champs.

And I don't even know if we could beat lowly-ass Vandy if we had to play them next week in Nashville. But that's just my opinion. One game, head to head, ND vs. Vandy. I don't give a F about who beat who in what week and what swagger rights one is entitled to based on those results.

 

[Irish_inPSU]

No one can stand here and say ND would fare well in the SEC, we just don't know. But I have a hard time buying into the statement that the SEC teams would struggle with this years ND schedule... By the end of the season, ND may have played one ranked team. I hear this every single year... "ND's schedule is so vaunted...etc.". Then they get to the post season and get romped, not beaten, but flat out embarrassed. Rinse and repeat the following year...

 

[BGI User 1596]

No one can stand here and say ND would fare well in the SEC, we just don't know. But I have a hard time buying into the statement that the SEC teams would struggle with this years ND schedule... By the end of the season, ND may have played one ranked team. I hear this every single year... "ND's schedule is so vaunted...etc.". Then they get to the post season and get romped, not beaten, but flat out embarrassed. Rinse and repeat the following year...

Ouch!

 

[savvyandsassier]

No one can stand here and say ND would fare well in the SEC, we just don't know. But I have a hard time buying into the statement that the SEC teams would struggle with this years ND schedule... By the end of the season, ND may have played one ranked team. I hear this every single year... "ND's schedule is so vaunted...etc.". Then they get to the post season and get romped, not beaten, but flat out embarrassed. Rinse and repeat the following year...

Yeah, I would feel very comfortable in proclaiming the SEC absolutely the best conference. All these upsets proved, I would submit, is just how far and away they are the best conference and even Vandy has put a together a formidable team and legit beat Bama. And no offense to ND, but we would lose ourselves to Arky, or South Carolina, and certainly to the likes of Bama, UGA, and yes, LSU, not 100% of the time, but the majority of the time, and occasionally, even annually get upset just like Tennessee did, and Ole Miss did by a typically bottom half SEC program, because they're still good enough to beat you. And being conference champs is something that would essentially never happen if ND were in the SEC, even less so with Texas and OU. Outside of Vandy, and I suppose Miss St., there are effectively no easy wins in conference play. And not even Vandy this year.

 

[raulduke_007]

Yeah, I would feel very comfortable in proclaiming the SEC absolutely the best conference. All these upsets proved, I would submit, is just how far and away they are the best conference and even Vandy has put a together a formidable team and legit beat Bama. And no offense to ND, but we would lose ourselves to Arky, or South Carolina, and certainly to the likes of Bama, UGA, and yes, LSU, not 100% of the time, but the majority of the time, and occasionally, even annually get upset just like Tennessee did, and Ole Miss did by a typically bottom half SEC program, because they're still good enough to beat you. And being conference champs is something that would essentially never happen if ND were in the SEC, even less so with Texas and OU. Outside of Vandy, and I suppose Miss St., there are effectively no easy wins in conference play. And not even Vandy this year.

You are right I mean it wasnt like ND didnt just beat A&M when the last 4 SEC top 10 teams couldnt accomplish the same thing and ND beat South Carolina in a bowl game 2 years ago, or won 2 straight vs LSU, or went down to wire at Georgia who went on to win the SEC and went to the Natty, but besides those flukes ND wouldnt have a chance.

 

[sjb75]

ND will be in the playoffs, and you'll be here so mad, but trying to sound smart and funny.

I can see it now. On the internet at 1am, looking for people to argue with.

Didn’t you also predict a 12-0 regular season for Notre Dame?

I do not know what you are watching to be so confident of an 11-1 season, other than a soft as Charmin schedule that has Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Navy next, and was preceded by Louisville, Miami Ohio, Purdue, and lousy Northern Illinois. No idea.

 

[raulduke_007]

Didn’t you also predict a 12-0 regular season for Notre Dame?

I do not know what you are watching to be so confident of an 11-1 season, other than a soft as Charmin schedule that has Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Navy next, and was preceded by Louisville, Miami Ohio, Purdue, and lousy Northern Illinois. No idea.

He was just exposing you as not a ND fan and you keep proving that you are a ND hater and troll. Time to get a life sport!

 

[Golson5]

Didn’t you also predict a 12-0 regular season for Notre Dame?

I do not know what you are watching to be so confident of an 11-1 season, other than a soft as Charmin schedule that has Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Navy next, and was preceded by Louisville, Miami Ohio, Purdue, and lousy Northern Illinois. No idea.

Schedule is better than half the top 12 as of now

 

[IrishMike409]

Didn’t you also predict a 12-0 regular season for Notre Dame?

I do not know what you are watching to be so confident of an 11-1 season, other than a soft as Charmin schedule that has Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Navy next, and was preceded by Louisville, Miami Ohio, Purdue, and lousy Northern Illinois. No idea.

Yeah- a fan predicted a 12-0 record. What's wrong w that? Not at all embarrassed or too big to say: I was wrong. This has become a place where average fans are over the top criticized for making a bad prediction. This isn't my day-job. I'm allowed to come here and "be wrong" with a prediction. We all are.

They played like shit against Northern. We all saw it. That said, I still think they're better than everyone left on the schedule and they get to 11-1.

 

[sjb75]

Yeah- a fan predicted a 12-0 record. What's wrong w that? Not at all embarrassed or too big to say: I was wrong. This has become a place where average fans are over the top criticized for making a bad prediction. This isn't my day-job. I'm allowed to come here and "be wrong" with a prediction. We all are.

They played like shit against Northern. We all saw it. That said, I still think they're better than everyone left on the schedule and they get to 11-1.

I agree with everyone except at USC. I have watched USC a lot. And winning that game will be extremely difficult for this 2024 team. Notre Dame is not good enough on offense to feel comfortable winning at USC.

 

[sjb75]

"...the grind of a Notre Dame season..."

Classic.

 

[IrishMike409]

I agree with everyone except at USC. I have watched USC a lot. And winning that game will be extremely difficult for this 2024 team. Notre Dame is not good enough on offense to feel comfortable winning at USC.

With the injury challenges, we'll need some young guys to really "grow up" by then. I'm optimistic, I suppose.

There was chatter that Jagusah may make it back. That would be an interesting dynamic.

 

[raulduke_007]

I agree with everyone except at USC. I have watched USC a lot. And winning that game will be extremely difficult for this 2024 team. Notre Dame is not good enough on offense to feel comfortable winning at USC.

I'd expect that type of dumb analysis from a USC fan. Michigan, Wisky, Minn all who struggle on offense managed to put points on the board against SC not to mention ND's defense is better than any of those teams. But keep trollin away goof.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You are right I mean it wasnt like ND didnt just beat A&M when the last 4 SEC top 10 teams couldnt accomplish the same thing and ND beat South Carolina in a bowl game 2 years ago, or won 2 straight vs LSU, or went down to wire at Georgia who went on to win the SEC and went to the Natty, but besides those flukes ND wouldnt have a chance.

Yeah I know it's true. We have a pretty impeccable record against the SEC of late. A&M, USCe, LSU twice! Pretty impressive stuff. And yet we definitely wouldn't win the SEC if we were in the conference this year, or any year. And of course I can't definitively confirm that, no one can. Which is where you see the space to take this weekend of SEC upsets, and spin it that the conference actually sucks. It's not deep with double digit teams that can and will beat anyone in their home stadium, it's purely mediocre, it's maybe the third best conference of the remaining big four, and Vandy beating Bama is proof of that, and Iowa St. would probably challenge for the conference title this season if they were a member. Fill in the blank, it doesn't matter who, that's how shitty the SEC is. And definitely Army and Navy, we can't forget those two. Solid top quarter tier SEC oontenders.

So it's overdone, there's no need for it. The SEC is the best conference, you're not bucking the conventional wisdom, or being an iconoclast. And ND's schedule is weak as shit compared to LSU's. But we do both play USC, so we got 'em there. For myself I'm glad we have a weak schedule, that way we get to go to the playoff, whereas LSU and BK likely won't. Which is not enough for you apparently, and so you maintain this rather preposterous drumbeat that ND's schedule is the real gauntlet. But of course you're just swaggering.....

 

[sjb75]

With the injury challenges, we'll need some young guys to really "grow up" by then. I'm optimistic, I suppose.

There was chatter that Jagusah may make it back. That would be an interesting dynamic.

Either way, that game will be a struggle in Los Angeles. I have seen nothing from the offense recently to think otherwise. This is as challenged an OL as Notre Dame has fielded in quite a long time.

 

[IrishMike409]

Either way, that game will be a struggle in Los Angeles. I have seen nothing from the offense recently to think otherwise. This is as challenged an OL as Notre Dame has fielded in quite a long time.

Agree with that. It'll certainly be a challenge.

I think we can out-tough them, eventually impose our will, and take the game over.

 

[tbonesays]

No one can stand here and say ND would fare well in the SEC, we just don't know. But I have a hard time buying into the statement that the SEC teams would struggle with this years ND schedule... By the end of the season, ND may have played one ranked team. I hear this every single year... "ND's schedule is so vaunted...etc.". Then they get to the post season and get romped, not beaten, but flat out embarrassed. Rinse and repeat the following year...

Can we please stop saying this. Right now we have the best or near best win in football. That may change in the future. But Army and Navy may continue to win giving us a better schedule.

 

[Chitown11]

Michigan QB is awful. Their offense is awful

The most points Michigan has scored this season in 6 games is 30 points.

I think they have much deeper issues that won't be fixed this season

They will lose 4 to 5 games this year

Thanks Mel! While it is true MI QB stinks, RL isn't that much better. ND has only scored 21 more points then the "awful" Michigan offense. Take away the 66 points to putrid Purdue and the stats aren't that much different. They lost to TX and Washington, ND lost to N. IL for Gods sake. I'd say if they played this year it would be a toss up

 

[chaseball]

I nominate this thread for topic title of the year. Anytime I see the topic title it triggers me and then it makes me laugh and then makes me want to click and read the topic.

 

[Golson5]

Thanks Mel! While it is true MI QB stinks, RL isn't that much better. ND has only scored 21 more points then the "awful" Michigan offense. Take away the 66 points to putrid Purdue and the stats aren't that much different. They lost to TX and Washington, ND lost to N. IL for Gods sake. I'd say if they played this year it would be a toss up

Riley Leonard has a 71.2 QBR. That's 35th in the country

Alex Orji for Michigan has a 39.8 QBR. So low they don't even have a rank for him.

Davis Warren for Michigan has a 36.1 QBR. Also unranked

Jack Tuttle played 1 game has a 55.1 QBR.

So you were wrong again. Michigans QBs are much worse. They're awful

Michigan is going to have 5 losses this year

 

[IrishMike409]

Thanks Mel! While it is true MI QB stinks, RL isn't that much better. ND has only scored 21 more points then the "awful" Michigan offense. Take away the 66 points to putrid Purdue and the stats aren't that much different. They lost to TX and Washington, ND lost to N. IL for Gods sake. I'd say if they played this year it would be a toss up

OL problems, and yes, a weird/slow start for Leonard. That being said, I could see the ND offense really finding its gear during the 2nd half and becoming potent.

We have a stable of game breaking RBs and then a game breaking runner at QB. When those things are "on", the O can be really dangerous/potent. I'm hoping that the bye did wonders for several reasons:

1. Health
2. Continuity
3. OL stability
4. The staff "settles in" with who we are and what really works.

When the O has absolutely had to score and respond this year, it has. Aside from NIU.

I'm hoping that the O improves and really becomes a dangerous unit until these next 7 games.

We should be able to overwhelm everyone left on the schedule.

OL has to stay health. Maybe Jagusah gets back at some point too?

 

[IrishMike409]

I nominate this thread for topic title of the year. Anytime I see the topic title it triggers me and then it makes me laugh and then makes me want to click and read the topic.

Great. Thanks Chase. Glad you post to tell us that you're laughing.

Let's talk about the O, the D, recruiting, emerging players, the schedules, and the pathway to the playoffs.

 

[raulduke_007]

I nominate this thread for topic title of the year. Anytime I see the topic title it triggers me and then it makes me laugh and then makes me want to click and read the topic.

You know this thread was just my homage/rip off of 3 year letterman's famous line. If you dont follow him on Twitter you are missing out.

 

[Chitown11]

Riley Leonard has a 71.2 QBR. That's 35th in the country

Alex Orji for Michigan has a 39.8 QBR. So low they don't even have a rank for him.

Davis Warren for Michigan has a 36.1 QBR. Also unranked

Jack Tuttle played 1 game has a 55.1 QBR.

So you were wrong again. Michigans QBs are much worse. They're awful

Michigan is going to have 5 losses this year

ok champ. I said MI QBs stink, comprende? If you think RL is playing well, then you are just clueless. QBR rankings are about as useless as the F+ system. I doubt MI has 5 losses, nor do I care.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You know this thread was just my homage/rip off of 3 year letterman's famous line. If you dont follow him on Twitter you are missing out.

Like I said, and I think I've shared this sentiment with you before, and that is there couldn't be anyone on earth less in sympathy with whatever, the essence of someone like Hunter S. Thompson, than you. And F HST, I don't venerate him as some brave prophet and truth speaker in this depraved American society, which he sort of was, but not really. He was alright, nothing more than that. In any case, you are that society, that he made his fame trying to be all 'gonzo' about. So in that sense, it's an apt enough avatar.

 

[Golson5]

ok champ. I said MI QBs stink, comprende? If you think RL is playing well, then you are just clueless. QBR rankings are about as useless as the F+ system. I doubt MI has 5 losses, nor do I care.

No champ. You said RL isn't much better than the Michigan's QBs.... you were wrong

They already have 2 losses. They play OSU and Oregon. That's 2 more

They play Indiana Mich St and Illinois.

Better chance they have 6 losses than 4 champ

 

[raulduke_007]

Like I said, and I think I've shared this sentiment with you before, and that is there couldn't be anyone on earth less in sympathy with whatever, the essence of someone like Hunter S. Thompson, than you. And F HST, I don't venerate him as some brave prophet and truth speaker in this depraved American society, which he sort of was, but not really. He was alright, nothing more than that. In any case, you are that society, that he made his fame trying to be all 'gonzo' about. So in that sense, it's an apt enough avatar.

Are you ok?

 

[BGI User 756]

No one can stand here and say ND would fare well in the SEC, we just don't know. But I have a hard time buying into the statement that the SEC teams would struggle with this years ND schedule... By the end of the season, ND may have played one ranked team. I hear this every single year... "ND's schedule is so vaunted...etc.". Then they get to the post season and get romped, not beaten, but flat out embarrassed. Rinse and repeat the following year...

Says the Pedo fan, and their normal “vaunting” schedule

 

[BGI User 756]

Didn’t you also predict a 12-0 regular season for Notre Dame?

I do not know what you are watching to be so confident of an 11-1 season, other than a soft as Charmin schedule that has Stanford, Georgia Tech, and Navy next, and was preceded by Louisville, Miami Ohio, Purdue, and lousy Northern Illinois. No idea.

And you posted 10 times that Deuce would be coming to ND.

But I noticed you didn’t answer how DeBoer could have 2 players with same number, on the punt team….which led to a first down for Vandy, then to 7 Vandy points. Happened twice….why is that?

 

[raulduke_007]

And you posted 10 times that Deuce would be coming to ND.

But I noticed you didn’t answer how DeBoer could have 2 players with same number, on the punt team….which led to a first down for Vandy, then to 7 Vandy points. Happened twice….why is that?

This might go down as the all-time expose the troll thread. The trolls are breaking character left and right. Really triggered them and they are big mad. Good times.