The Refs Blew The game

[hoopsstar12]

Aside from Grants last second heave, I feel the refs blew the game just like at FSU back in October. Jackson had position. Harrison barreled into him. Once again we get a bad call after dominating the game. Kentucky is over hyped. We should have won by 10 if they didn't get away with offensive fouls and shuffling their feet the entire game. This ain't the NBA.

 

[WildmanWilson]

Come on guy...Your guy was clearly moving and it wasn't even close. I know you will never see it that way but just look at the replay. You guys played an awesome game and don't dirty it up by blaming the refs.

 

[Yooper Irishfan]

To be honest, the last call was a foul on DJ. He didn't have position. The officiating in the first half was horrendous, but I thought it was fair in the second half.

 

[HDK]

Well, I thought it was close, but it was the right call.

 

[hoopsstar12]

No offense to Kentucky fans because I think you guys have shown a lot of class.
But I truly believe the contact was initiated by the offensive player and he was out of control. Take your win and we will see you again in the final 4 in 2055.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

38-0

#9...

 

[MirageSmack]

Originally posted by hoopsstar12:
No offense to Kentucky fans because I think you guys have shown a lot of class.
But I truly believe the contact was initiated by the offensive player and he was out of control. Take your win and we will see you again in the final 4 in 2055.

Doesn't matter who initiates it, otherwise Grant would not have got that call when he jumped into Dakari Johnson near the three point line. Even Chris Weber said it was a foul and he is a long time hater of UK. It was tough for me, these are my 1A and 1B teams, but proud of both teams. Grant should have passed the ball but Brey blew it by using that last time out and not setting up a play. Willie Cauley Stein is 7'1" but he kept up step for step, he guards the guard position every game several times because of this.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

38-0

#9...

 

[Chilton327]

Believe me, I know how painful these close loses are fans, but I watched a replay of that foul as I read your post and your guy was very, very clearly moving, not planted. But obviously, the Irish played a great game and you should be proud of them!

Except for Auguste, Coach needs to teach him how to show some class and keep his tongue in his mouth. The rest of your guys were just what we've come to expect of Notre Dame - a class act!

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Army,

You are 0-38.

The kids that take basket weaving 101 are 38-0.

Enjoy being a troll.

 

[hoopsstar12]

I have watched college hoops for many years and there have been offensive fouls called even when the defender is moving. Harrison didn't expect Jackson to step in because he or his brother had an uncontested layup the last time. When Jackson stepped in Harrison froze and barreled into him. I say it's an offensive charge all the way. I realize most of the time it's called a block but if you look at it again you will see the offensive player crashed right into him.

 

[Irish437]

Bottom line, the call at the end of the game was correct. I was glad ND still had 6 seconds left with a chance of winning. I know it would have been unconventional, but I would have considered fouling with about 10 or 12 seconds left have them shoot a 1 and 1 and hope for the best and at least give you enough time to set up an offensive play. The real big call of the game was the offensive foul in the 1st half that turned into a UK 3 point play.

Not sure how the refs determine what to call and what not to call though. Basically every time UK got the ball down low it was like watching a replay, sometimes they called the foul, sometimes they didn't.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

Maybe so, but I already have my tickets and reservations for the Final Four in Indy! This next work week will be a breeze knowing I'm heading to the Final Four. Decent effort bud...

 

[LmdCat]

Talk about blowing it, the refs didn't call half the fouls that should have been called on your smaller players trying to guard our bigs down low. There is no way your undersize players could guard the low post without fouling. As usual, the refs take pity on the smaller players and allow them to grab, hold and slap the arms of bigger players without making half the calls. So I don't think you really want to bring the refs into this discussion.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

38-0

#9...

 

[BigBlue1992]

38-0

 

[hoopsstar12]

Hey. I didn't put this online but it looks like someone else agrees with me:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWU_5NqKXCw

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

38-0

 

[jr97]

That was a block but go watch the inbound . Grant was clearly held by Harrison. That's a foul and Grant should have been at the line for a 1n1. with 5 secs.

 

[warrior-cat]

Great game Irish, please ignore the few. However, to the OP, 14 to 12 on the fouls is not a very big difference. If you are referring to the Harrison drive, it was close but the defender was moving. I have however seen it called either way in that instance.

 

[hoopsstar12]

Warrior cat. Thanks for the objective post. Now I can fall asleep finally. I think I am having flashbacks to the FSU football game. If only Jackson would have put his hands up and maintained position and then Grant gets held by the other team. I can't take it anymore. I didn't think lightning could strike the same place twice.

 

[new era cat]

Originally posted by hoopsstar12:
Warrior cat. Thanks for the objective post. Now I can fall asleep finally. I think I am having flashbacks to the FSU football game. If only Jackson would have put his hands up and maintained position and then Grant gets held by the other team. I can't take it anymore. I didn't think lightning could strike the same place twice.

The refs should have let it go and let it get to OT. That is what seems to occurs most often

 

[ColonelCard]

Army/Mud why aren't you out burning couches?

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

Poor Rick 1-7 vs Cal...

 

[CHANCE 52]

TurnoverMachine, You need to go to confession after telling a lie like that. I was sad for the Irish and happy for UK at the same time.

 

[Xzandernm]

Originally posted by hoopsstar12:
I have watched college hoops for many years and there have been offensive fouls called even when the defender is moving. Harrison didn't expect Jackson to step in because he or his brother had an uncontested layup the last time. When Jackson stepped in Harrison froze and barreled into him. I say it's an offensive charge all the way. I realize most of the time it's called a block but if you look at it again you will see the offensive player crashed right into him.

Do you just not know Basketball or just so heart broken?

Jackson stepped in and Andrew avoided him. Jackson then moved to BLOCK andrew's path to the basket. He got called for the foul. It was 100% the right call

 

[WildmanWilson]

Originally posted by hoopsstar12:
I have watched college hoops for many years and there have been offensive fouls called even when the defender is moving. Harrison didn't expect Jackson to step in because he or his brother had an uncontested layup the last time. When Jackson stepped in Harrison froze and barreled into him. I say it's an offensive charge all the way. I realize most of the time it's called a block but if you look at it again you will see the offensive player crashed right into him.

If a defender is running straight backwards and he is run over then the call would be charging. Thats not the case here.

The offense player had a path to the basket and the defense cut him off and was sliding into his path. Thats a block every day and twice on Sunday. Period. There is no other way to call it ever.

 

[NotchLickKat]

Originally posted by ArmyWildcat81:
38-0

#9...

Please stop.

 

[Irish_inPSU]

Blaming the officiating here is just plain stupid. ND played lights out and came up a mere two points short. As I said about some of the football games, if you have to rely on officiating to win a game, you don't belong.

ND missed a couple of very key free throws late . Make those and we're either going to OT or it would have won the game. Kentucky made the plays they needed to when they needed to.

 

[jacksondomer]

Blaming the refs is as ridiculous as believing that Brey didn't do a great job coaching this team....ND missed how many ft's under 4 minutes? I can recall at least 3...how bout when we fouled a guy as he makes a hoop. Guy goes to the line, misses the free throw, Auguste doesn't block out and he makes the put-back and gets fouled again. Makes that free throw...5 pt possession, correct? Guys, you can correct me if I am wrong cuz I watched the game in a pub with a thousand screaming nut jobs...but that is what I saw. Do a coupla fundamental things correctly and ND would be playing in Indy next weekend. JMO

 

[Sithlyone]

If ND played in the SEC then they would know what truly bad officiating was all about. We must have the worst officials known to man. This game, while it had it's missed calls was almost perfectly called in comparison with what UK has to deal with on a normal basis. I'm not sure who the officials were but they deserve a lot of credit.

Most of the time we get hacked and smacked around all game long with no calls. Most teams are smaller than us and because of that the officials don't call those kinds of fouls. Our size is used against us, especially when our bigs back down in the post and the defender flies back like he was hit by a semi.

But you are right, the refs did miss some big calls, like this one...

And the official was right there looking at the push off, toe drag, two hops and a jump... if that shot had fallen, I would not have wanted to be him.

But please, ND and UK played an epic game, don't diminish it by blaming the refs. It could have gone either way.

This post was edited on 3/30 1:40 PM by Sithlyone

 

[echowaker]

Originally posted by jacksondomer:

Blaming the refs is as ridiculous as believing that Brey didn't do a great job coaching this team....ND missed how many ft's under 4 minutes? I can recall at least 3...how bout when we fouled a guy as he makes a hoop. Guy goes to the line, misses the free throw, Auguste doesn't block out and he makes the put-back and gets fouled again. Makes that free throw...5 pt possession, correct? Guys, you can correct me if I am wrong cuz I watched the game in a pub with a thousand screaming nut jobs...but that is what I saw. Do a coupla fundamental things correctly and ND would be playing in Indy next weekend. JMO

the top 3 shot 8 for 31. theres your ball game.

 

[hoopsstar12]

Sithlyone. Grant missed the shot so your point is moot. We were discussing the previous play where points were actually scored. The game is over. Your team won. Duke or Wisconsin will win it all anyway.

 

[jacksondomer]

^^^^yup^^^^^.....echo....posted a coupla weeks ago after we played like dog crap and lost to the 'Cuse. ND shot 3-22 from 3, most of them really good looks. I stated that if you shoot like that you lose. That if Duke were to shoot like that in a game they would lose. Well, lo and behold they shoot 7-33 or something God awful like that against ND in the ACC semi's....guess what...they lost! Sometimes it really isn't that complicated.....

 

[hoopsstar12]

It's called fatigue. Our cause would have been helped if VJ. Beachum would have given us quality minutes but he was way off. So Grant and company were playing too many minutes in too few days. Brey has to learn how to sub guys out in the first half and beginning of the second half. He could have subbed Colson in for Grant for a spell also.

 

[South Bender]

Originally posted by hoopsstar12:
I have watched college hoops for many years and there have been offensive fouls called even when the defender is moving. Harrison didn't expect Jackson to step in because he or his brother had an uncontested layup the last time. When Jackson stepped in Harrison froze and barreled into him. I say it's an offensive charge all the way. I realize most of the time it's called a block but if you look at it again you will see the offensive player crashed right into him.

Check the narrative of the rule.

Doesn't matter who initiates contact. The defensive player needs to be set,
not moving, for a charge to be called. I believe the rule states something
about a half-second or something. Impossible to accurately identify. Especially
in the heat and pace of a game.

It was a blocking foul. Get over it. For what it's worth, charge/blocking calls
are 9.5 times out of 10 a judgement call by the referee. Under strict review
with replay, it's easy to second guess any call on any given day.

 

[Mheezyfosheezy3]

Above poster is correct. The cumulative minutes ND played took its toll down the stretch the last 2 minutes. Kentuckys 12 were 2 points better than our 7 players. Getting sat out for 5 minutes while your opponent plays makes a difference In play at the end. and that was a blocking foul on Jackson, right call. If he wasn't gassed, he get there for the charge.
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