No I'm not. We were right on the game with OSU. Had a lead deep in the 4th. And that was with Buchner. If Stroud was our Qb we possibly win that game. We were competitive with a below avg Qb. We could have won with an elite one
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And how is that known in recruiting? Dayne Crist was a solid 5* recruit with offers from everybody. So whose to blame? It's just whinning; thats all it is.
Jimmy Clausen was the #1 rated QB in the country, and Dayne Crist was a solid consensus 5* recruit. They weren't elite in college because our teams were average
You're a ****ing idiot, he was a consensus 5* recruit. You wanna to blame ND for recruiting him. Please don't talk to me about dumb; you're as clueless as they come. A child whinner.
Please you're embarrassing yourself. What did ND and Kansas have in common at that time? They both lacked talent. Didn't matter who was the QB, those team weren't gonna win. Put Crist on UGA, and he wins the national title last year as well.
Take a step back when you’re a preseason #5 and have 4 guys projected as 1st rd draft picks plus 2 dozen srs and GR’s on your two deep!? i guess in your mind it was unreasonable for any fan to have high expectations. No more passes for the rookie coach, the mulligan was supposedly okie st
Running Crist up the middle has to be in the top 5 dumbest BK decisions.
BTW is the OP supposed to refer to "Sometimes a great notion" ?
Good succinct points that capture the reality of the ND program.
I'd only add it also takes a good coach and staff.
Andrew Luck at ND with CBK/Rees vs Freeman/Rees ? Obviously this is debatable. And the verdict is out on Freeman/Rees.
Remember, Weis had Brady Quinn, a pretty good college QB. Again, it takes a staff as well.
ND should try to land that kind of QB again. It still would take a lot of luck, funny pun in context, to win a NC.
Wrong. They weren't elite in college because they werent elite players.
Lamar jackson was elite and he played at Louisville. RG3 was elite and he played at Baylor. Aaron Rodgers Cal. Andrew Luck Stanford.
What are you talking about.
Ye
Like I said, you dont have a clue about football
He threw to Michael Floyd and Tyler Eifert and played with theo Riddick and Jonas Gray
Like I said, you dont have a clue about football
Elite team? .. good team yes! Elite, NO! I love guys like you .. you talk big here but say that to Freemans face! Pathetic! Freeman will succeed! BK left this in shambles! Don't need to look any further than the QB situation, and OC situation!
yep, standing on the sideline all game and the 4th and 1 on the 1 yd line; you take your QB who was conducting the drive out and put it a cold player to run the play! no warmup, no practice snaps, good grief! BK should have been banned from coaching another football play in his whole life! But instead he throws DC under the bus! probably destroyed the kid!
OP is thread owner.
Rothlesberger in the MAC. Josh Allen Wyoming Mahomes Texas Tech. Goff also played at Cal.
Don't necessarily need an elite QB, But a very good QB that can be developed into an elite QB.
Too many on here believe elite QB means 5*, but there have been plenty of 4* QB's that have developed into elite QB's. Look at Watson at Clemson. A 4* coming out of HS similar rating to Buchner, but he developed into an elite QB that won Clemson a couple of championships. Now there are exceptions obviously, Dante Moore this year is Elite, Bryce Young was elite out of HS.
QB coaching and development is important. This is where I believe Rees is not the answer. I'm hoping he gets offered to go to the NFL and he takes it. He has any easy path with his father practically building a career in the NFL who could get him a position on some NFL team.
To be fair he never recovered from his injuries, not physically, but mentally he never recovered.
That is an elite qb
Recruiting rankings mean nothing
I'm talking about an elite college QB regardless of he was a 1 star or 5 star
Was the Wyonming coaches great teachers that they built Josh Allen into the best player on the world. I dont think so.
None of those teams sniffed a national title. Which is the whole point. You don't need an item QB to win a championship. You do need an elite defense and an elite OLine. You pit Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Dayne Crist on a ND team with an elite defense and elite OLine, and they very well could win a championship. We'll never know. Or you put any of those 3 on UGA or even Bama and they win a national title
Who cares if he won a championship? The vast majority of ND fans would be happy consistently winning 9-11 games a year, going to a bowl and being ranked. The BS from some fans who say ND is only successful if they win a championship is ridiculous...ND hasn't won a championship in 34 years and most fans don't care.
This is a quote from Lu Dac, do you comprehend the English language? Quotation marks signify just that, a quote.
100% false, 9-11 is only Ok if there’s a sense of progression, getting to the top being attainable. Why many if not most were ready to part ways with BK years ago and Ok when he departed on his own.
Nope, it's reality. ND has won 4 NC in the last 70+ years and not one High School, College or Pro player remembers any of them and neither do most fans. Fans are happy with 10 win seasons.
Lol the amount of mental gymnastics you went through to continue with the “Brian Kelly was terrible blah blah“ line of reasoning. The recruiting looks good, but there is absolutely no guarantee that we can even get back to where we were when we were at least a consistent playoff contender.
I think we have to give Freeman some more time, and he might deliver, but as I said when Kelly was gone, it is never a guarantee for any school that they will continue with success — Florida State, Miami, USC, etc., all have tremendous resources, talent rich local areas from which recruit, everything one needs and they have struggled after reaching the highest of heights.
Patterson and Foskey were slated to be 1st/2nd round picks. How many teams have good/decent depth and three first round caliber players? This was considered a talented team coming into this season.
Foskey won’t sniff the 1st round, may be closer to 3rd than 1st. Patterson likely the same. 3 highly regarded draft prospects, I’ll give you talented but not elite as was initially suggested
My apologies, I missed the quoted text. It's Luvl Duc that has the childish immaturity.
That certainly wouldn't hurt, but my position is you start with an elite defense and an elite OLine. An elite OLine in particular makes helps make your QB, RB and WRs better
I don't buy that narrative. Emotionally broken is a Driskell buzz phrase. Hiring assistants that were not amazing at developing? Sure. If you're emotionally broken from Brian Kelly then you were never going to be good anyway. It's not like he was being coached by Jerry Sandusky.
I'm never gonna bash Crist, he's a Notre Dame man, and still is, and Kelly screwed him from the start
I agree with you. These kids still need to be developed at the next level coming from HS.. I think the previous staff was good at developing 3* star QB talent and elevated their play, but when it came to the more skillful QB's you saw the regression year over year.
John Maxwell has a great analogy when it comes to leadership. If as a leader on a scale of 1 to 10 you are a 4, the ceiling for your employees will be a 4, and they'll never go past that. Same goes for coaching. A coach that's a 6 out of 10, their players will top off at a 6, and if you take a 9, you can very well coach that player down to a 6 . There are exceptions, but that's the general rule.
There is 0 chance we lost to Marshall or Stanford with BK. Close games? Yep. BK would have managed the hell out of those 2 games and found a way to win. With BK we go 9-3 or 10-2. With Freeman, we go 6-6 at best.
Also, BK would've grabbed Rees by the neck and threatened his life by now or he'd have taken over the play-calling duties.
