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Solid 2016 Class: Part 1

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First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.

Edit Note: I actually typed up a long Part 2, which focused on the defense, but in typical computer fashion some kind of an error occurred despite me checking that it was saved (3 times) and the info has been deleted. It was about double the length of this first half and unfortunately I don't have the time (nor the desire) to start from scratch. My apologies for this half of a post, especially given that I put a lot of time and focus into the defensive write up given that it seems to be the side of the ball under much more scrutiny.
 
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First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.
Good OL haul, pretty good receivers, average RB's, Tommy Rees clone at QB. No game changers at the skill positions. What is killing us is the defensive recruiting. BTW, McIntosh will never see the field. I have no idea why they recruited this guy.
 
Ian Book is not a clone of Tommy Rees. That's a silly statement, IMO. He's a far more talented prospect, with much more athleticism. He was committed to Mike Leech. Mike Leech is an excellent identifier and developer of college quarterbacks. He would not recruit a Tommy Rees type. While I don't expect Ian to be an All American, I think he's a lot better than you're giving him credit for being.
 
Ian Book is not a clone of Tommy Rees. That's a silly statement, IMO. He's a far more talented prospect, with much more athleticism. He was committed to Mike Leech. Mike Leech is an excellent identifier and developer of college quarterbacks. He would not recruit a Tommy Rees type. While I don't expect Ian to be an All American, I think he's a lot better than you're giving him credit for being.
OK, maybe a little bit more athletic but a depth player nonetheless.
 
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Thanks IIO. Always enjoy your evaluations of our incoming talent. That's two stellar years in a row at WR and with the guys we have slinging the ball these days, it could be fun.
 
Michigan and Ohio State ran away with the talent from the big Midwest schools. Kelly couldn't even carry Harbore's or Meyer's jock straps. He's outclassed.
 
Ian Book is not a clone of Tommy Rees. That's a silly statement, IMO. He's a far more talented prospect, with much more athleticism. He was committed to Mike Leech. Mike Leech is an excellent identifier and developer of college quarterbacks. He would not recruit a Tommy Rees type. While I don't expect Ian to be an All American, I think he's a lot better than you're giving him credit for being.

Yep agree on Book and said as much. For the next 4 years you won't have to worry about your backup QB transferring and it's somebody that can play. He won't get you to the playoffs but he's more than a "game manager"
 
IIO, without doing another write up what's your take on the DBs? I like that we got numbers and some good players, I'm just concerned that we didn't get any real difference makers at DB.
 
IIO Thanks for the great write up once again and please reconsider the defensive version of your assessment.

Great to hear about the OL and Book has such low expectation he can only exceed.
 
First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.

Edit Note: I actually typed up a long Part 2, which focused on the defense, but in typical computer fashion some kind of an error occurred despite me checking that it was saved (3 times) and the info has been deleted. It was about double the length of this first half and unfortunately I don't have the time (nor the desire) to start from scratch. My apologies for this half of a post, especially given that I put a lot of time and focus into the defensive write up given that it seems to be the side of the ball under much more scrutiny.

Please do one for the defense when you have time !
 
It's a pretty good class. Solid in all areas. Excellent at OL and excellent at WR. Very good in Secondary. Good at DE and not a total swing and miss at LB. Staff did a great job identifying talent and worked their tails off. For a staff with 3 new guys they did quite well. Plus coming off and 8-5 2015. That part bodes well for 17' . And they're off to a strong start. What does not bode well is the inability to close on the elite / game changer talents that ND needs a few of every yr to get to the next level. ND needs some elite big time D recruits in the next class or 8-5 and 9-3 are going to be the standard. A reversion back to the mean. At this point with the state of affairs with this D I don't see them coming to ND anytime soon.
 
First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.

Edit Note: I actually typed up a long Part 2, which focused on the defense, but in typical computer fashion some kind of an error occurred despite me checking that it was saved (3 times) and the info has been deleted. It was about double the length of this first half and unfortunately I don't have the time (nor the desire) to start from scratch. My apologies for this half of a post, especially given that I put a lot of time and focus into the defensive write up given that it seems to be the side of the ball under much more scrutiny.
Wow. Outstanding write up, IIO. Thank you for sharing.
 
It's a damn good thing we never had to deal with Hackenberg, Perse. I hope Ian Book has has a chance to play. If he ever somehow ends up as ND's starter for an entire season, I'll put $1000 down on him having a better season than Hack ever had? Feel free to remind me if you ever want to take that bet.
 
I think the main problem is that this class didn't have a face. It didn't have a Floyd, Eifert, Tillery, A. Jones, etc.

It had good depth, and lacked name power. Will it remembered in the ages as one of the best ever ND classes? Who knows, but if it helps grow the win column and give ND a run at the play offs, I'll take it. Because that will grow the recruiting classes and help ND further down the road.

Personally I just worry about seeing ND win their next game.
 
Considering the log jam at QB I figured ND would pass in a QB this cycle, I think they got a player with great potential without the need of having to take one. And I'm glad we stayed away from Hunter Johnson at this point as well.
 
I think the main problem is that this class didn't have a face. It didn't have a Floyd, Eifert, Tillery, A. Jones, etc.

It had good depth, and lacked name power. Will it remembered in the ages as one of the best ever ND classes? Who knows, but if it helps grow the win column and give ND a run at the play offs, I'll take it. Because that will grow the recruiting classes and help ND further down the road.

Personally I just worry about seeing ND win their next game.

Eifert was a 3 star prospect who was overshadowed by Alex Welsch in that class a much higher rated 4 star who never saw the field.
 
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It's a damn good thing we never had to deal with Hackenberg, Perse. I hope Ian Book has has a chance to play. If he ever somehow ends up as ND's starter for an entire season, I'll put $1000 down on him having a better season than Hack ever had? Feel free to remind me if you ever want to take that bet.


tell us about Mauck! your fav of all time! I am way ahead of you when right n wrong tallies are made!

(and the guy you compared Hack to was Petty; no better than Hack)
 
It's an 8-4 class. Not bad, not good...just meh. No impact players. You win NC's with impact players, none this year. If you people don't see it, too much Kool-Aide. 8-4 is the new normal. Get use to it. That's the real world!
 
if Book sees the field in meaningful minutes then...!
Like I said not a guy that can get you into the playoff but a guy that can win 10 games. Also, in 2 or 3 years if the starter is injured you don't have to worry about throwing a Fr QB into a game because all of your other 4 & 5 star QB's transferred.

It would have been tremendous to have a guy like Book this year so we didn't have to burn Wimbush's red shirt.
 
It's an 8-4 class. Not bad, not good...just meh. No impact players. You win NC's with impact players, none this year. If you people don't see it, too much Kool-Aide. 8-4 is the new normal. Get use to it. That's the real world!

The charade continues.
 
First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.

Edit Note: I actually typed up a long Part 2, which focused on the defense, but in typical computer fashion some kind of an error occurred despite me checking that it was saved (3 times) and the info has been deleted. It was about double the length of this first half and unfortunately I don't have the time (nor the desire) to start from scratch. My apologies for this half of a post, especially given that I put a lot of time and focus into the defensive write up given that it seems to be the side of the ball under much more scrutiny.
Rather reminds me of the time my dog ate my homework![smile]
 
It's an 8-4 class. Not bad, not good...just meh. No impact players. You win NC's with impact players, none this year. If you people don't see it, too much Kool-Aide. 8-4 is the new normal. Get use to it. That's the real world!
yep 8-4 just like last year. what ? 10 wins ? say it ain't so.
 
It's an 8-4 class. Not bad, not good...just meh. No impact players. You win NC's with impact players, none this year. If you people don't see it, too much Kool-Aide. 8-4 is the new normal. Get use to it. That's the real world!

McKinley will make a mountainous contribution. He's terrific.
 
First of all, outside of a few games involving a few too many drinks, I'm not one to get too high or too low during Brian Kelly's tenure as HBC at ND. The 2016 class, which ranks between 9th-15th across the services is a glaring example of Kelly's stead approach. Would he have liked to land 3-4 five star players? Of course. But that continues to be difficult at ND, so he did the next best thing and get a slew up four star players. With the exceptions of a few guys (whose names I won't mention out of respect for their big day) I even thought a lot of the three star players ND signed are guys that have good, quality, upside.

Here are some random and not-so-random thoughts about the 2016 recruiting class.

1. Mike Denbrock got another great haul at WR this year with Javon McKinley, who reminds me a great deal of Michael Crabtree. I'm not saying he's going to be that productive in college, but he possesses that type of playmaking ability, especially with the ball in the air. Kevin Stepherson is a nice player and the strangest compliment I can give him is that he will have balled out if he ever sees meaningful minutes at ND with the receivers already on campus, the ones coming in this year and the likely additions in the future. Stepherson reminds me a lot of Corey Holmes in that he can play, but he might not get the chance. He's a quality football player and he'd play for a lot of teams. If ND had to put him on the field I'd be confident that he could get the job done a couple years from now. I have no problem with ND taking a kid like this in every class. A 4 year guy, who wants to be at ND and wants to compete, but might never make a huge impact, or could prove the critics wrong and develop into a really good player. Finally, the sky is the limit for Chase Claypool. At 6'5, 222lbs (per Mike Denbrock this morning), it's simply going to be a matter of Claypool adjusting to American competition. Could be Kelvin Benjamin? Maybe. Could he get to ND at 230lbs and the coaches decide to groom him in the Aliz'e Jones mold of a slit end? I could definitely see that too. I think Claypool's body will naturally determine where he plays. Longo might keep him a trim 220lb receiver, or he could easily bulk him into a 240+lb TE. Overall, the group is diverse and outstanding. Add Demetris Robertson (the best of the bunch) to the mix and you have the best WR class in the country, playing for arguably the best WR coach in the country.

2. The offensive line class is a typically awesome haul by Harry Hiestand. Kraemer is the best OL I've seen in the country this year and he could play guard from day one if needed and will likely be cross trained ala Alex Bars and Quenton Nelson. I would shocked if he isn't among ND's top 7 OL as freshman and he's a virtual lock to play as a sophomore when McGlinchey and Elmer leave after the 2016 season. Liam Eichenberg prototype, 6'6 offensive tackle and I think he'll need two years to be ready, but a lot like Mike McGlinchey, he's going to be a good one once he develops and adds some size and strength to his long frame. Parker Boundreaux is an ass kicker. A bigger version of Ruhland from a year ago, he'll get in the mix at guard down the road and should contribute while he's at ND. Overall, ND's awesome line is in great shape and 2017 already looks to be shaping up just as well.

3. I'm not thrilled about running back, but I'm content with the two player ND landed. Tony Jones is the type of combo back rarely has and he reminds me of a taller Julius Jones in that he's physical at the point of attack, but he's deceptively fast at the next level as well. Deon McIntosh is an interesting prospect. It s no surprise ND battled West Virginia for him as he 's exactly the type of player that school (Steve Slaton) and that Holgerson has used in his offenses in the past (Kendall Hunter). It's hard to project that exactly how good Deon is going to be because it will be based on opportunity but I have my fingers crossed hoping he'll Steve Slaton or Kenjon Barner. Overall, ND did alright in a year they didn't need to land a "star" back. Look for them to make a big splash in 201, with a top guy. Make no mistake though, Jones will play for sure and McIntosh will be at least special teamer. Both have skills.

4. Ian Book is exactly what ND needed in the cycle. A low maintenance, spread-oriented facilitator that will likely stay at ND for 4-5 years and be a steady backup (who could develop into a starter) when 1-2 of the current QB's transfer (that's how it works with QB's that can play these days). I've got great faith in Mike Sanford as an evaluator of QB's he wants , so I could be cautiously- lukewarm on Ian, but instead I'm going to compare him to another underrated QB that did pretty damn well for himself at the college level. I'm not going to say that he's going to leave college the all time NCAA wins leader, but he reminds me so much of Kellen Moore as a player. Overall, I'm pumped about Book in a year that I didn't expect ND to do much in the way of recruiting at quarterback.

Edit Note: I actually typed up a long Part 2, which focused on the defense, but in typical computer fashion some kind of an error occurred despite me checking that it was saved (3 times) and the info has been deleted. It was about double the length of this first half and unfortunately I don't have the time (nor the desire) to start from scratch. My apologies for this half of a post, especially given that I put a lot of time and focus into the defensive write up given that it seems to be the side of the ball under much more scrutiny.
Don't give up. I enjoy reading your analysis.
 
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Yep agree on Book and said as much. For the next 4 years you won't have to worry about your backup QB transferring and it's somebody that can play. He won't get you to the playoffs but he's more than a "game manager"

If Book were 6'3" he would have been a very high 4 star recruit . To compare him to T Rees is insulting. I guess because they are both the same skin color that would lead to such an ignorant observation .
 
It's an 8-4 class. Not bad, not good...just meh. No impact players. You win NC's with impact players, none this year. If you people don't see it, too much Kool-Aide. 8-4 is the new normal. Get use to it. That's the real world!

8-4? You're out of your mind, or just trolling. 1 of those 2.

Hayes, Kareem, Claypool, McKinley, Pride, Vaughan, the typical monster OL haul......this is a playoff caliber class.

And we have Brian Kelly----the guy can flat-out run a program.

See you in the playoffs.
 
Watching the film on Book it's apparent that Brian Kelly likes his QB's with a strong arm to throw long and who likes to run the read option.

He's like a modern day version of Al Davis.
 
It's a pretty good class. Solid in all areas. Excellent at OL and excellent at WR. Very good in Secondary. Good at DE and not a total swing and miss at LB. Staff did a great job identifying talent and worked their tails off. For a staff with 3 new guys they did quite well. Plus coming off and 8-5 2015. That part bodes well for 17' . And they're off to a strong start. What does not bode well is the inability to close on the elite / game changer talents that ND needs a few of every yr to get to the next level. ND needs some elite big time D recruits in the next class or 8-5 and 9-3 are going to be the standard. A reversion back to the mean. At this point with the state of affairs with this D I don't see them coming to ND anytime soon.
I could have sworn we were 10-3 in 2015.
 
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Wasn't TR a Kelly QB?

God bless TR, but I don't think Kelly recruited him. First thing he did was try to get him to throw a bomb though, so you're making my point. I think Weis might have recruited TR and felt he was quite fleet of foot indeed, when compared to Weis.
 
tell us about Mauck! your fav of all time! I am way ahead of you when right n wrong tallies are made!

(and the guy you compared Hack to was Petty; no better than Hack)

Kind of funny to see Perse declaring himself right more often than wrong compared to IIO. Of course, IIO limits himself to judging the potential of young seventeen year olds, while Perse declarations go well beyond.
 
Kind of funny to see Perse declaring himself right more often than wrong compared to IIO. Of course, IIO limits himself to judging the potential of young seventeen year olds, while Perse declarations go well beyond.

Using a baseball talent analogy as far as posting here---------IIO = Ted Williams -------- Purse = Bob Uecker
 
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Good OL haul, pretty good receivers, average RB's, Tommy Rees clone at QB. No game changers at the skill positions. What is killing us is the defensive recruiting. BTW, McIntosh will never see the field. I have no idea why they recruited this guy.

Last year's 3-star RB turned out to be our best freshman offensive player. And we've had 5-stars who were relative busts. So you never know with RBs.
 
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Michigan and Ohio State ran away with the talent from the big Midwest schools. Kelly couldn't even carry Harbore's or Meyer's jock straps. He's outclassed.
And that's true because you said it, right? That makes it a fact?

Well, here's a REAL fact. Michigan's recruits were rated .04 points higher than ND's. That means very, very little. And ND's star averages were right in line with several other teams above them.

But hey, just keep rooting for Harbaugh! Or keep being a troll.

Link: https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016
 
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We finally say thank you to the recruiting class of 2011. Here's a list of the members who contributed to ND success on the field: George Atkinson III, Kyle Brindza, Jalen Brown, Ben Councell, Devaris Daniels, Matthias Farley, Everett Golson, Jarrett Grace, Connor Hanratty, Eilar Hardy, Matt Hegarty, Chase Hounshell, Ben Koyack, Aaron Lynch, Nick Martin, Cam McDaniel, Troy Niklas, Tony Springmann, Stephon Tuitt, and Ishaq Williams. The class 5 year run was 47-18 .723. It was the best five year run since the 1993 class went 41-18-1 .697. You don't fix a broken dynasty over night.
I remember being really excited by Councell, I thought he was going to be a real good player. Best of luck to them all
 
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